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Expanding the CAB universe.

You can tell it's an election year.......first the PH for PTSD, and now, we all gonna get a Combat Action Badge..........

Bi-partisan support for the legislation........file it under "shameless pandering to Veterans" during the election cycle?

Personally, I'm pretty proud of the one I already have..........My kid "awarded" me his that he got in Iraq.......

This is from a Vietnam Vet who saw some serious combat himself. I see it a little differently. Of course, I don't have a serious combat record, either, just for the record.

This is how I see it, as I put it in my response.

Well, while I'm still ambivalent about PH for PTSD, I don't see why a guy who got a Purple Heart in Desert Storm, or Somalia, or fill-in-the-blank who would qualify under current regs for the CAB getting a CAB.

Just like I don't object to the concept that my father, who led North Korean partisans operating behind Chinese lines up near the Yalu as a part of the United Nations Partisan Forces Korea (UNPFK) during the Korean War, when there were no Special Forces, was awarded, retroactively, an SF tab for his work.

Does that make it easier to swallow?

Easing up on the quals for a CAB, now *that* would generate some fire for me, because of the obvious debasement of the award and the stench of "self esteem" crap creeping in.

Bad enough we created a ribbon back in the 80's so that *everybody* would have something to wear on their greens. How weak was that? As I told MG Faith, CG of 1st Armored Division, when he was taking questions at the annual AUSA meeting in Europe, "My uniform is my "Army Service Ribbon." Why in the name of good order and discipline do I need to have a ribbon to say what the uniform already says?"

I didn't get a good answer. I dont fault MG Faith. There wasn't a good answer. There still isn't. But the damned ribbon remains.

As for the pandering... I see my buddy didn't mention the GI Bill being tussled over. Some pandering is better than others... Said the guy who joined the Army during the six month period when there weren't any bennies to speak of, and by the time they had decided mebbe they ought to recitfy that, he'd already bought and paid for his Master's. I was *such* a cheap date for the Army.

Update: My correspondent responds:

I'd go for maybe backing it up to Desert Storm......but leave Us Olde Pharts out of it.

Would be kind of cool to see my daughter get one for action she was involved in in Somalia......she qualifies.

Steve went to Iraq with the 256th Inf Bde out of Louisiana........the first CAB awarded in that Brigade went to the Brigade Sgt Maj........That didn't sit well with the rest of the troops.

I decided years ago that I was the only rotor wing aircraft mechanic who ever served in VN.......everybody else was a LRRP, Seal, Ranger, Sniper.......or a "door gunner".......

Those would be the guys lining up to get a CAB.

Or - a Green Beanie. You could make the argument for the Purple Heart qualification as a sole qualification, though I would be inclined to accept any decoration with a "V" device attached. Bronze Stars, no - Bronze Star with "V", yes.

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"Some pandering is better than others"
And some of us are afflicted by what is commonly referred to as SPAS (Selective Pandering Assignment Syndrome) Guilty as charged. This is why I don't consider the GI Bill legislation pandering....but that's just me.
 
Lessee, now: I didn't get a PH when I got (minor) bodily damage but now I can get one for having flashbacks -- and I can get a combat badge for engaging in combat that occurred thirty-odd years before they invented the badge but medevac crewmembers who pull people out under fire *today* aren't eligible for the Combat Medic Badge. Yanno, I'm really *glad* I retired, because I'd go broke having to buy a new ribbon-rack every week...
 
Sorry about the rant. The PTSD kicked in while Carbo was hitting the water bottle and I got to the keyboard first...
 
Well, we're glad to provide these opportunities to work out your issues, Bill. ;^ )
 
I *did* say some pandering was better than others. I'm just jealous because no one pandered to *me* until it was monetarily safe to do so. /whine
 
I'm just jealous because no one pandered to *me* until it was monetarily safe to do so. Been proofing ry's posts again, haven't you?
 
The Army Service Ribbon is best understood as a training device. It's something the new privates can put on their greens as practice for when they get some real awards.
 
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It's something the new privates can put on their greens as practice for when they get some real awards. Back in The Day, we used to call the NDSM the IBB. I've Been to Basic. How times have changed...
 
Two examples. First: I have a nephew who was awarded the CIB for duty in Kuwait, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Their replacements ended up in the fight in Fallujah but he says that he's nearly 100% sure that no one in his battalion came under any enemy fire. He refuses to wear the award because he has a sense of honor. Second: In the rotation in Kabul Afghanistan that preceded mine, two LTCs 'came under fire.' A single rocket that landed nearly a kilometer away from them. They hurried home and spent the next day writing up their awards for the CAB. The endless chasing of awards and badges by supposed 'leaders' is painful. It needs to stop. I turned down the Bronze Star for my staff service. I was raised to believe that it stood for something more than a staff puke is likely to do in his normal job. Because they insisted on an award for everyone, I requested the Joint Service Commendation Medal instead; because my major accomplishment had been to commendably service my ..... They gave me that medal, but no ceremony to go with it for some reason.
 
Dennis - no doubt there is award abuse, and that's a chain-of-command issue. Happens in peacetime, too, and, more often than not in my experience, it's a careerist officer problem, wartime and peacetime. And don't feel bad, I have 5 MSMs and three SUA's an ARCOM and an AAM that I never got pinned on, either. They all came in the mail. My Armed Forces Reserve medal was thrown across a room at me. It seems the Ops Grp adjutant (a Pointer) didn't appreciate the fact that we unwashed ROTC grads who'd never bothered to integrate RA (it was going to happen to us as Majors, anyway, why bother with the paperwork) got a medal for having served 10 years as Reservists. Torqued her to no end, given we'd all been on active duty together for 10 years. Snerk. I didn't have the heart to tell her I turned down the RA in Armor because I'd rather be a Redleg. I'm not sure she wouldn't have thrown the filing cabinet at me.
 
They all came in the mail. Heh. Only awards I ever had *presented* to me were AM #1 and an ARCOM. Interesting that the same CO did both...
 
Actually, I didn't mind not having a ceremony. It kind of re enforced that I had got someone's goat. At Camp Eggers (Kabul) in 2006, they had an awards ceremony someplace on post nearly every day. Only 1000-1100 people assigned but it was the lair of the 3 star puller of strings and knower of people to be knowed. So, I be happy!