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On bullets.

US uses bullets ill-suited for new ways of war.

Such was the headline that caught my attention over the weekend.

The article discussses the drawbacks to the M855 round for the M16/M4, which was designed (shudder, oh no!) for killing the masses of Cylons, er, body-armored Warsaw Pact troops back in the day. And clearly, it isn't suited for modern conditions. The AP conducted some interviews and says so. You can read it right here.

The smaller, steel-penetrating M855 rounds continue to be a weak spot in the American arsenal. They are not lethal enough to bring down an enemy decisively, and that puts troops at risk, according to Associated Press interviews.

Such as the interview with Sergeant Joe Higgins:

As Sgt. Joe Higgins patrolled the streets of Saba al-Bor, a tough town north of Baghdad, he was armed with bullets that had a lot more firepower than those of his 4th Infantry Division buddies. As an Army sniper, Higgins was one of the select few toting an M14. The long-barreled rifle, an imposing weapon built for wars long past, spits out bullets larger and more deadly than the rounds that fit into the M4 carbines and M16 rifles that most soldiers carry.

"Having a heavy cartridge in an urban environment like that was definitely a good choice," says Higgins, who did two tours in Iraq and left the service last year. "It just has more stopping power."

Gag me. "Spits out bullets" Faugh. And then conflating "firepower" with "stopping power" as if the terms are interchangeable. The author has a tight grasp of hackneyed phrases. He should let go.

Now, me, I'm a *fan* of the M14. Bar none, my favorite US service rifle. I *like* the 7.62 NATO round it shoots, too. My M1A (civilian equivalent of the M14) is, bar none, my favorite shooter in the Arms Room of Argghhh!. Of all the 7.62 NATO rifles I've carried and fired, I still like the M14. Better than the FAL/L1A1. Better than the CETME. Better than the H&K G3. Tied with the Beretta BM59. Which isn't surprising, given the BM59 and M14 spring from the same heritage. But I also know that I was a big strong fella and humping the rifle and ammo wasn't the drag on me it can be on feathermerchants.

But I admit, while not a fan of the M16 particularly, I *did* like the amount of ammunition I could carry for it. And it was a fine shooter. And I *like* SWWBO's M4-clone. That rifle points extremely well for me, and is a good shooter. But I'd still rather carry an M14. Well, for city fighting, I might well prefer the Springfield Armory M1A SOCOM rifle - if the wound ballistics are still good from that short barrel, it would certainly be handier in close-quarter combat than the M14. Heh. Wonder if I could score one for a review? Prolly not. Booksellers will give books to blogs, but I'm not enough of a gunblogger to score a rifle, I'm thinking...

Do note the premise of the article - and then consider this factoid they snuck in...

In 2006, the Army asked a private research organization to survey 2,600 soldiers who had served in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nearly one-fifth of those who used the M4 and M16 rifles wanted larger caliber bullets.
Emphasis mine.

Meaning, um, 80% didn't express that opinion. Heh. In politics, that's a landslide. If you want to do a little poking at DoD and the Administration, one-fifth apparently represents the sum of expert opinion I suppose. And you'd be surprised how many of that one-fifth included Fobbits who rarely leave the wire but have fully tricked-out rifles.

The last bit in the article hits the nail on the head:

The arguments over larger calibers, Radcliffe says, are normal in military circles where emotions over guns and bullets can run high.

"One of the things I've discovered in guns is that damned near everyone is an expert," he says. "And they all have opinions."

The rest of the article (which, if you are interested in the subject, you should read in its entirety)
runs through the usual discussions of bullets, rifles, marksmanship, and legal issues, etc., that have dogged military rifle/ammunition choices since mankind started using projectile weapons.

And emotions on the subject always run high. Me? I'm not fighting in this war - that has to be my first caveat, I admit I am looking at this from a remove of relative safety. But I don't see a compelling need to shift to a new rifle or new ammunition in the midst of the war, needlessly complicating the supply and procurement issues. SOCOM, with essentially it's own, and much smaller, infrastructure is suited to changing horses in mid-stream. When you talk the rest of the Army, and toss in the Marines, you have complex problems to manage within the defense industrial base and DoD logistics. And then the whines when units go into the box with the "new and improved" rifles/ammunition vice the ones that don't have 'em. And DoD will get hammered either way - because it will either be a better rifle and the ones with old rifles are being discriminated against and put at a disadvantage - or it will have teething problems and the services will be playing contractor favoritism and putting troops lives at risk.

Oh wait, that's already happening. And does anyone remember the fiasco of fielding the M16 in the middle of a war?

For my money, the Infantry needs a new rifle. In that, I'm with the Generals, don't just tweak the current rifle, go ahead and try to get to the next generation. But - I wasn't with the Generals when they were trying to make the next generation rifle the equivalent of a Heinleinian Mobile Infantry weapon.

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Yes and isn't there the whole issue of NATO rounds being the same for supply and logistics? and, I think I recall an issue about the big rounds stopping the bad guy and then coming out the other side to stop some other poor slob standing near by. Just two othe issues I don't see raised.
 
Someone out there (SOCOM?) is fooling around with a solid copper 70 grain bullet for 5.56 rounds. That sounds like it would have the ballistics of a knitting needle. Anyway, if you are concerned about going through a doorway with big bullets, what's wrong with the M3 grease gun?
 
Anyway, if you are concerned about going through a doorway with big bullets, what's wrong with the M3 grease gun? No place to mount a front handgrip, a laser-pointer, a 3x low-light combat scope, mag pouches and a xenon flashlight. And don't forget, the USMC version will call for a bayonet stud, too...
 
Greetings: Back in my infantry days, our basic load was 22 20-round magazines, one in the weapon and 3 bandoliers of 7. I used to hump and extra bandolier, 29 magazines all told. One of the advantages we had was that the bad guys never seemed to have more than seven of their 30-round magazines. When you're wandering around waiting to get jumped on (technically a reconnaissance-in-force) it's nice to know you can out shoot the bad guys until help arrives.
 
I know tales of hits-without-success are sexier, but that's probably because they're rarer. We had a big "iron sheik" type with an AK play suicide-by-soldier with us in Baghdad in 2003. A controlled-pair later, one "underpowered" 5.56 to the sternum and he looked like he got hit by a truck. Something about bone/bullet contact. Ok, it was a vital area, but right there I decided not to entertain complaints about effectiveness.
 
If you're ever in Tucson, you're welcome to take my SOCOM-16 out for a spin -- as soon as I get it back from Springfield. I'm the short, round guy in the first take: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bBsodpPsDY It's very handy in tight spaces and the compensator/ brake is awesome. Kicks up a lot of dust if you're shooting it over an old car roof, though.
 
Two questions, Cowboy - 1. Why does Springfield have your rifle? 2. In my world, if you're in a shooting war, and you have to reload, you, um, well duck behind something, or at least reload by feel while keeping an eye on the target... 3. Okay, three - and you can answer this in email - what'd ya pay for it? I've been *tempted*...
 
I agree Bill. The 5.56 is a joke. Tell me is it legal to hunt deer in Kansas with a 5.56? Why isn't it? Why is it we have to double tap? Why is it that we don't have a cartridge that turns an enemy inside out with one hit? Size matters?
 
I hate to seem to be an obsessive 7 millimeter crank, here, but yes I am one, so what can I say? The M-14 has that awkward magazine sticking out of the bottom. Now, the Krag had a magazine you could top up from the bottom; FIFO. And it didn't stick out anywhere.
 
Square bullets anyone?
 
John, Have to agree with you on the M1A and the SOCOM. Originally got the SOCOM II with the rails. Bad, bad, bad. Traded it off to a friend for a SOCOM 16, one rail to hold my Trijicon Tripower. Much better. I guess I'm old fashioned and can't see the need for all of the rails. That being said, my favorite rifle is still the Garand. I got a Springfield Armory one in .308 to match the M1A's that I have. You have to go along way to beat the old Garand for shooting fun.
 
Frangible vs. ball, anyone? no? Okay.
 
Frangible runs afoul of the Geneva Convention, Ry. Police can use expanding/disintegrating bullets, soldiers can't. Mind you, you can eviscerate 'em with a shell fragment, but no dum-dums or things like dum-dums. And JimB shows up to prove this statement by being contrarian:
The arguments over larger calibers, Radcliffe says, are normal in military circles where emotions over guns and bullets can run high. "One of the things I've discovered in guns is that damned near everyone is an expert," he says. "And they all have opinions."
There's lots of emotion in the discussion. And JTG, if I'm going to have to have an integral-magazine rifle, I'll take a Garand, which I at least don't have to load one round at a time.
 
Yeah, I know. But if the point is stopping power(meaning, how much it hurts the target, lots of tissue damage) without wory of secondaries, frangible makes sense(it sticks in the walls and the people). Though, sometimes you want it to penetrate the wall so it isn't a perfect fix either.
 
That's all part of the problem, isn't it? All the rules governing ammuntion, whether STANAGS (Standardization Argeements), the Conventions, etc. All of those things have to be balanced or renegotiated, and it doesn't matter what you do - someone is going to hate you and call you a heartless bastard who doesn't care for the soldiers and is willing to get them killed for your convenience. Any choice we make will generate someone with an expert opinion that the choice we just made borders on the criminal. And whichever politician or just-barely-can-figure-out-which-end-of-the-rifle-the-bullet-exits journo will scream that it's just as bad a situation as Upton Sinclair wrote about in The Jungle. And a third of the serious gun mags will agree, a third will praise the decision, and a third will publish recipes for handloading the cartridge to make it better. And depending on how you stake your territory, they'll all be correct. Unlike personally owned weapons, where you can fit and fiddle with myriad choices to find the rifle/cartridge combination that fits your needs, the military rifle has to make a lot of compromises regarding cost, complexity, maintainability, durability, ease of use, and lethality - and has to work for a broad segment of dis-similar people. We're never going to be at a point where everybody is happy.
 
All of those things have to be balanced or renegotiated, and it doesn't matter what you do - someone is going to hate you and call you a heartless bastard who doesn't care for the soldiers and is willing to get them killed for your convenience. Well, when I say this, though more obfuscatedly and much looooonger, you say it's arbitrary(digs a hole real fast and slips away).
 
Eh? Aside from Rule #1, where I'm always right, whattaya mean?
 
Well, there's always Rule #2, right John? Heh heh heh... (and, yes, I know what Rule #2 says)
 
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