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  <title>Comments for Let&apos;s have a whatziss!</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2008-05-10T14:38:25Z</published>
    <updated>2008-06-07T12:40:56Z</updated>
    <title>Let&apos;s have a whatziss!</title>
    <summary> What the heck, it&apos;s Saturday, I&apos;m going to be busy, so are you, if the server logs are any indicators over time. This is a Soviet-era aiming circle. They loved to make complicated aiming circles. They made pretty accurate instruments, too - with one artifact that made them less precise than western circles. The Russians based their circular measurement on a 6000 degree circle. Western armies initially used 360 degrees, like a standard compass (which is less accurate than the Russian measurement) but later shifted over to mils, of which there are 6400 in a circle. That being determined...</summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/4C85B57F0756E34/orig.jpg" border=0 alt="So, what *is* that thing clinging to the front lens of this aiming circle - what does it do?"></p>

<p>What the heck, it's Saturday, I'm going to be busy, so are you, if the server logs are any indicators over time.</p>

<p>This is a Soviet-era aiming circle.  They loved to make complicated aiming circles.  They made pretty accurate instruments, too - with one artifact that made them less precise than western circles.  The Russians based their circular measurement on a 6000 degree circle.  Western armies initially used 360 degrees, like a standard compass (which is less accurate than the Russian measurement) but later shifted over to mils, of which there are 6400 in a circle.  That being determined by the fact that a circle of 1 kilometer diameter has a circular measurement of 6400 meters - meaning that one mil of movement left or right describes a movement of 1 meter at 1 kilometer.  This gives a nice easy way to determine all sorts of things when surveying, or aiming cannon.  The Russian approach is slightly less accurate - but they tended to make up for that will volume of fire.</p>

<p>The aiming circle is essentially a simple theodolite - an instrument designed to measure angles, whether vertical or horizontal.</p>

<p>Orient the aiming circle on a known direction, whether using surveyed lines or a built-in compass to orient to north (applying that declination constant, of course - a measurement that accounts for the deviation of magnetic north from true north, as well as local and instrument variations, only good for the local region, but that's a long boring post I won't bother you with...).</p>

<p>Once you've done that, you can then apply the principle of "opposite interior angles are equal" and lay your guns so that all are pointed the same direction.  Another somewhat boring post I probably won't write, but ya never know, I might get grumpy and decide to punish you with the gory details.</p>

<p>Anyway - this Russian aiming circle has an attachment on it, not normally used.  Anyone want to hazard a guess as to its purpose?  I will give a clue that should help out 'Murican artillerymen - the US approach to this problem was both simpler, yet periodically required depot-level services.</p>

<p>Here are two more pics, to help you in your pondering.  <strong><a href="http://www.fototime.com/D477DE35324F98F/orig.jpg">A largish one.</a></strong>.  And this one: </p>

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<p>The item whose purpose you're trying to identify is the gizmo on the left side of the intstrument.  What looks like a black knob is in fact an eyepiece.  What looks like a silver knob on the right, is *also* an eyepiece - and the main one, that you look through when sighting the instrument.  The gizmo we're concerned with is in fact hooked on to circle in such a way it blocks the main viewer completely - since for the purpose of the gizmo, it's simply a convenient place to mount it so that you can level the gizmo.  The silver knob in the middle - *that's* a knob.  They key clue here is... the plane of view of the gizmo is <em>perpendicular</em> to the plane of view of the basic instrument.</p>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from fdcol63 on 2008-05-11</title>
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        <![CDATA[<em>"I guess I should do a post on gunlaying."</em>

Maggie and Werekitty may be further excited by the fact that this often needed to be done after each shoot, in the rain, when the ground was really soft and muddy, back in the old days before GPS when we relied on spades to keep us sighted on the collimator!  LOL]]>
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    <published>2008-05-11T23:07:28Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from kaj on 2008-05-11</title>
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        Actually, the mil should be 1/6280 of a circle, but 1/6400 is close enough, and has the advantage of easy calculations(Try dividing 6280 by 2. Quickly).
The Swedes, not content with the S-tank and their accent, practised a 1/6300 for a long time, but now uses the 1/6400 standard.
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    <published>2008-05-11T17:07:03Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Dad on 2008-05-11</title>
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        Officially, the Army defines the mil as 1/64,000 of the circumfernce of a circle. However the Navy definition is the angle whose tangent is 1/1,000 of the radius and equivalent to  3.44 minutes of arc. The Navy mil is .065 minute greater than the 
Army mil. Also, if you care to do the math an angle of 1 mil does not subtend a tangent of 1 meter at 1,000 but it is close enough for big bang work. I knew that all those years of teaching gunery would pay off some day.
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    <published>2008-05-11T15:14:29Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-05-10</title>
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        TmjUtah - wrong reticle, but correct application.

Adriane - welcome to Castle Whatziss&apos; - I don&apos;t think we&apos;ve heard from you before!

That is, indeed, the Soviet Polaris/Kochab attachment.

For those of you to whom that read &quot;the Soviet blah-blah-blah attachment&quot; it means that the reticle in there is designed for use at night.  You center on Polaris, and then rotate the reticle to account for the year... and then you can turn the head of the instrument until Polaris and Kochab occupy the proper spots in the reticle... meaning you have now aligned the instrument to North, and can continue about your business.

Our system is much simpler, but since the stars are moving relative to each other, you have to periodically replace the reticles in the instruments.

I guess I should do a post on gunlaying.

Oooh.  Maggie and Werekitty just quivered.
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    <published>2008-05-11T00:16:02Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from TmjUtah on 2008-05-10</title>
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        <![CDATA[Aargh.  Should have kept my booger hook off the bang switch.

How about a <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/6-50/Ch5.htm" rel="nofollow">Polaris 2 reticle</a> and right angle prism?]]>
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    <published>2008-05-10T20:40:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from TmjUtah on 2008-05-10</title>
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        Oh my goodness.  

It&apos;s an external Kochab reticle, isn&apos;t it, inside of a right angle prism housing?

Used for determining grid north by observing the relationship of Polaris and Kochab.

If memory serves.


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    <title>Comment from Rod Thorsen on 2008-05-10</title>
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        A tube level.
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    <published>2008-05-10T20:12:05Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from wolfwalker on 2008-05-10</title>
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        Little knoweth I about artillery sighting, so (as usual) I&apos;m shooting in the dark here.  What&apos;s the maximum caliber of artillery this was designed for?    Is the secondary eyepiece gizmo for assisting in over-the-horizon shooting?  


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    <title>Comment from rikkochet on 2008-05-10</title>
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        &apos;Plane&apos; of view makes me think of aircraft. Is this for measuring angles of elevation?
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    <title>Comment from TmjUtah on 2008-05-10</title>
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        Solar/astral filter/prism attachment?
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    <title>Comment from Adriane on 2008-05-10</title>
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        Something to check the gun&apos;s barrel angle?  Since I am thinking that after a while a gun crew would get a feel for how straight a gun would fire and make adjustments thereof?
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-05-10</title>
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        <![CDATA[Tim - nope.  The periscope attachment <a href="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/historystuff/soviet-aiming-circle-periscope.html" rel="nofollow">looks like this.</a>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-05-10</title>
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        Bill - nope.
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    <title>Comment from AW1 Tim on 2008-05-10</title>
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        Hmm....


   Well, my guess would be some sort of attachment device for a periscope.

    respects,

   
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    <title>Comment from Damian on 2008-05-10</title>
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        Not having nearly as much familiarity with all things artillery as I&apos;d like, I&apos;d love to read that &quot;boring&quot; post if you ever decide to write it, John.
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2008-05-10</title>
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        <![CDATA[Of course, it's a lot smaller than <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBp5ag6SJH4" rel="nofollow"><strong>this one</strong></a>.]]>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2008-05-10</title>
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        Our server&apos;s gone hinkey, so I can&apos;t see the pic, but I&apos;ll hazard a guess -- an infinity collimator.
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