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  <title>Comments for H&amp;I Fires* 15 May 2008</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <published>2008-05-16T04:11:56Z</published>
    <updated>2008-06-10T12:11:17Z</updated>
    <title>H&amp;I Fires* 15 May 2008</title>
    <summary>Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That&apos;s only polite. You&apos;re advertising here, we should get an ad at your place... Time to add a new caveat, because from email it&apos;s not clear to some folks (mind you, if you don&apos;t read this it won&apos;t matter...) Being an open post, people (collectively, the Denizens) other than I post in the H&amp;I. They sign their work (most of the time) - keep that in mind when you want...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p><em>Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That's only polite.</p>

<p>You're advertising here, we should get an ad at your place...</p>

<p>Time to add a new caveat, because from email it's not clear to some folks (mind you, if you don't read this it won't matter...) Being an open post, people (collectively, the Denizens) other than I post in the H&I. They sign their work (most of the time) - keep that in mind when you want to flame someone in email please - if it doesn't say "The Armorer" or "John" then I didn't write it! And honestly - if you don't like something said or posted... leave a comment, and hash it out (within the context of The Rulez which are clearly posted on the comment form, I would add).</em></p>

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<p><strong><a href="http://www.bostonmaggie.blogspot.com/">Princess Crabby</a></strong> reminds us:</p>

<blockquote>
A lot of folks can't understand how we came to have an oil shortage here in our country. 
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Well, there's a very simple answer. 
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Nobody bothered to check the oil. 
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We just didn't know we were getting low. 
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The reason for that is purely geographical. 
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Our OIL is located in 
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ALASKA 
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California 
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Coastal Florida 
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Coastal Louisiana 
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Kansas (Heck, they're even drilling two new wells on the property next door to the Castle)
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Oklahoma 
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Pennsylvania and Texas 
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Our DIPSTICKS are located in Washington, DC!!! 
~~~ 
Any Questions???
 
NO? 
Didn't think So. 
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<p>And, in fact, there is a kernel of truth in there, given the role of Congress and the Executive have played in energy policy.  -the Armorer</p>

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<p>Today in <strong><a href="http://www.wedmore.org.uk/puckle/James.htm">1718, Mssr. James Puckle patents a gun</a></strong>.  A mechanical machine gun. With a unique characteristic... </p>

<p><img alt="Puckle's gun" src="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/historystuff/puckle.gif" width="448" height="215" /></p>

<p>From the patent application:</p>

<p>16. The plate of the Chambers of the Gun for a ship shooting Square Bullet against Turks. <br />
17. For Round Bullets against Christians. </p>

<p>So *that's* what we've been doing wrong...  -the Armorer</p>

<p>*********************************<br />
Also on this day, in 1862, Union <strong><a href="http://www.civilwarhome.com/butlerwomanorder.htm">Major General Benjamin Butler displayed *his* grasp of counter-insurgency</a></strong>...</p>

<blockquote>"As the officers and soldiers of the United States have been subjected to repeated insults from the women (calling themselves ladies) of New Orleans, in return for the most scrupulous noninterference and courtesy on our part, it is ordered that hereafter when any female shall, by word, gesture, or movement, insult or show contempt for any officer or soldier of the United States, she shall be regarded and held liable to be treated as a woman of the town plying her avocation."</blockquote>

<p>That action, among others, <strong><a href="http://www.civilwarhome.com/davisbutlerproclamation.htm">prompting this response from the leader of the insurgents</a></strong>.  -the Armorer</p>

<p>*********************************</p>

<p>But the junk comment header was soooo promising!  <em>Redhead playing with boobs.</em>  I had visions of Lucille Ball and the 3 Stooges.  Or <strong><a href="http://homefrontsix.blogspot.com/2008/05/pictures-from-dc.html">HomefrontSix and Congress</a></strong>.  Or <strong><a href="http://www.bostonmaggie.blogspot.com/2008/05/ny-navy-coterie.html">Princess Crabby and some sailors</a></strong>... It wasn't.  - the Armorer</p>

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<p><strong><a href="http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/05/15/mcmaster-gets-his-star/">H.R. McMaster finally gets his star</a></strong>.   And he shows it's not gonna slow him down, <a href="http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2008/05/mcmaster-steps-up.html">debuting in style</a>. - FbL</p>

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      <![CDATA[<p>*A term of art from the artillery. Harassment and Interdiction Fires.</p>

<p>Back in the day, when you could just kill people and break things without a note from a lawyer, they were pre-planned, but to the enemy, random, fires at known gathering points, road junctions, Main Supply Routes, assembly areas, etc - to keep the bad guy nervous that the world around him might start exploding at any minute.</p>

<p>Not really relevant to today's operating environment, right? But, it *is*</p>

<p>The UAVs we fly over Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for targets of opportunity are a form of H&I fires, if you really want to parse it finely. We just have better sensors and fire control now.</p>

<p>I call the post that because it's random things posted by me and people I've given posting privileges to that particular topic. Another term of art that might be appropriate is "Free Fire Zone".</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from rikkochet on 2008-05-16</title>
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        The only Puckle gun I&apos;ve seen was in a museum near where they built some of Nelsons fleet.

The round bullets were just over an inch round, weighed 4 ounces, the square ones an inch cube weighing over six ounces.

Maybe Puckle had had an argument with the Turks and wanted to square the account.
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    <published>2008-05-16T17:55:20Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2008-05-15</title>
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        Oh, yeah, the Puckle Gun, from the times when folks weren&apos;t afraid to say EXACTLY what they thought, about individuals, or even groups.

State yer case, and let&apos;s have it out!

I do wonder if getting shot with cubical bullets hurts more than getting shot with spherical bullets.

Prolly not, but the guy shooting you with the cubes gets to feel somewhat more mean and nasty, being hoppin&apos; mad at you.
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    <published>2008-05-16T03:32:41Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-05-15</title>
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        Ah, but Neffi - clearly the root of our failure against terrorists-who-happen-to-be-muslims, since I&apos;m told the connection is simply coincidence, is that we aren&apos;t using the right ammunition.

Surely we can make the square bullet work now!
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    <published>2008-05-15T23:10:17Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Neffi on 2008-05-15</title>
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        I&apos;ve loved the Puckle since seeing a repro of the original patent application... complete with the &apos;square shot for use against Turks&apos; quote, showing the two different magazines. 
OK? 
Dunno how that square shot was gonna fare down the barrel, though...
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    <title>Comment from HomefrontSix on 2008-05-15</title>
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        <![CDATA[<em>Redheads playing with boobs</em>


Nope - that picture isn't on my blog...]]>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-05-15</title>
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        Said the guy who sent me the story... and not one comment about Puckle&apos;s gun.

Youse guys disappoint me sometimes!
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    <title>Comment from JimC on 2008-05-15</title>
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        Lets not get too excited by the possibility that McMaster will get his star.  The list has not been published so this is just informed, hopefully, speculation and still subject to change.
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    <title>Comment from Fishmugger on 2008-05-15</title>
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        Gen Ben Butler was a political appointee with very little credentials for his post. His nickname was Spoons Butler because of his need to pilfer the silverware from locals. I don&apos;t think he is a good example of Union Generalship. I think the incident was brought on by a Lady dumping her nightly deposits on Admiral Farragut from a two story window. Not just an insult.
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