Of strategic thinking and presidential candidates

The other day J over at Armchair said that he believed Sen Obama was the better ‘strategic thinker’ of this campaign season. This intrigued me a bit, so I thought about it. I don’t think J is right. Note, in classic Castle Argghhh! style I’m not advocating for any candidate (not like that stops Dusty from doing it, but then he outranks me. And nothing stops Attila, except a chicken bone in the throat---stay away from the chicken and fish, Dusty.). I’m just saying I think that saying Sen Obama has ‘the vision’ superior to others is rather wrong.
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Why? Let’s look at his stance on Global Warming. In a sense, this amounts to a strategic game of ‘Red Rover’ where we all line up to stop a freight train by linking hands and willing it to stop. I’m saying that if you take the science seriously, and the conclusions that have been made from the data, the whole idea of carbon trading and sequestration is tantamount to trying to close the door after the cow’s bolted. If you listen to Al Gore (ManbearPIIIIG!!!) and the broader scientific opinion we’re slated for serious climate change. And if you take their arguments seriously you have to laugh at them when they say that simply cutting carbon emissions is going to turn it all around, even in your great-great-great-great grandchildren’s time(Seven tenths of a degree by 2050 in temperature savings is what we get if we went the full Kyoto. I wonder how long it would take to get back to what people say we should be at, or to return to what we had in 1986?). Look at how much a change you’ll get in 50 years. Oh, and don’t forget the cost, either. You think this current economic downturn is bad and requires all kinds of gov’t bail outs for people? Jeebus, that looks a whole lot worse to me.

So, this is true strategic thought? Hardly. You want a *real* strategic thinker on this? Find the politician who is following Bjorn Lumborg’s recommendations or Tom Barnett’s instead of ManbearPIIIIG’s!!! and you’ll have a real visionary instead of someone reading from the Book of Dystopia, Chapter Doom, verse Gloom. If you really believe in the predominate scientific view you are left with no choice but to accept that sea levels will rise, and the problems that come with that. If you accept said view you also accept that weather patterns will shift in ways that make the Dust Bowl, in many places across the US and the world, possible and likely. You have to accept that very real problems will come down the pipe that have to be dealt with, and that by simply capping carbon emissions (or moving them in the negative direction) those problems will not be resolved.

What’s Obama planned to do on these? Nothing, at least nothing in his publicly declared positions. What’s he going to do about crop failures from drought and weather pattern shifts? What’s his plan to ensure potable water is available to continue agriculture (even if we all became vegan soy eaters)? Sorry, saying he’ll support waste water plants out in CA is not having a broad visionary plan, particularly since those plans were already in place and moving ahead (my home town already has treated waste water being fed back into the watershed from which it draws water, something they started building in 1998. When I was helping my Mother out this summer I was drinking that foul smelling and tasting stuff.) He’s got nothing so far, same caveat as before. So, this is strategic thinking? I. Don’t. Think. So. A real strategic thinker wouldn’t take what amounts a plan that would halt the oncoming crisis back in the 1950’s and push it now, as if it was visionary and going to halt the freight train, nor would a real visionary try to pass off to the country stuff that someone else already did as something he’s bravely moving to support (it’s done and over, sir, they never needed your support.).

He’s running with a forty year old plan on this. One that isn’t likely to work without killing a large number of people off, whose cost is major (you think people are annoyed at how they’re suffering because of the housing crisis and current economic slow down? Look at the cost in standard of living *if* we follow the Ed Bagly Jr. inspired plan in the link above.), and only deals with the ‘first half’, to steal a Barnettian phrase, while it ignores all the other problems that are inescapable if you accept ManbearPIIIG’s numbers.

Sorry, I’m not buying Obama as having ‘the vision’ over the other two (Clinton or McCain), not if his environmental plan is an indication of this ‘strategic vision. If he did he’d have plans, in place and delivered publicly, to deal with the potable water issue, soil erosion issue, dike and levee ideas to protect things like Manhattan (or, if one were really bold, most of India). Sorry, Sen. Obama (and J), but you’re not selling gollum on this vision thing. You really aren’t showcasing it.

What I’m seeing, when I read the plans listed on his web site linked above, is populism and the cynical use thereof. It may sound tough to walk into Detroit and tell them need to be more fuel efficient, but it isn’t really when they’ve been working on hybrids, flex fuels, and other non-petroleum derived energy source vehicles for a decade (that dang educated populace thing Jefferson talked about comes up to nip the good Sen. In the ankles). The way his stated plan reads, and he’s not alone in this, it looks like he believes in a closed carbon loop/perpetual motion machine. Who taught these people thermodynamics (sure wasn’t BCR, that’s for sure.)?

If he comes up with a real long range and truly visionary plan--- instead of the hodgepodge of green-truther, ‘I’ll create jobs!’, and petroleum boogie man hating that he’s put out--- I’ll listen. You got plans to actually deal with the real problems of climate shift(feeding people, keeping shoreline communities from being ‘Veniced’ given the inevitability of sea level rise, etc) then fine, I’ll listen. Come to the table with something like building the Taiwan 101 but using it as a self-sufficient as possible agro-dome that’s got much of the engineering problems resolved, or a massive aquaduct system ala what Jerry Brown came up with in CA lo these many moons ago, and I’ll call you a frackin’ visionary, ‘cause you would be. But what Obama has put forward is not visionary.

Sorry, J.

(Note: ry doesn’t buy the anthropogenic theory, yet. He finds the data sketchy and other theories (like the albedo shift or the increase in solar radiation theory) to be equally supported. Hence, he says doing something about the real problems (crop failure, water shortage, coastal city drowning) is more important than anyone’s pet whipping boy---whether that be the evils of consumerist culture, big oil, non-vegetarian living, or what have you in the mid-to-long term.)
--ry

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I'd agree with you and up that ante by saying the complaing could be easily applied to several of his other so called "plans". He talks about saving social security, but his plan basically calls for forcing people to put money in an IRA which they already can do, starting at a $100 easily. His difference is that he is going to make it "mandatory" with an "opt out" that he knows will not happen often because people are, in fact, lazy sometimes. He's not going to save Social Security. That plan doesn't even do that. But he is going to take more money out of some poor shlubs pocket to put in an IRA while simultaneously continuing to take social security taxes out of his check. The question is who is going to run these IRAs and what will the interest be invested in? Government stocks and bonds? The whole time, he never actually mentions saving social security or how he's going to do it. Not once because he knows the only way to save it is to a) cut people off or b) raise social security tax or c) all of the above. It's ridiculous slight of the hand stuff that I can't believe anyone falls for.
 
And Ry moves into the Armorer's corner (he may have been there all along, he's just slunk into the open) - all the hooey posited about Kyoto etc, is more about the elites grabbing more power for themselves (and the consequences of which are usually borne by superstitious armed myrmidons clinging to outdated notions) and control over ever greater aspects of human endeavor. I said long ago - if all the efforts put forth were going to make only about 1 degree of difference, far better we put that money and effort to figuring out how we're going to deal with it, since it would seem we really aren't going to do much to truly prevent it.
 
My point is John that at this time there's little we *can* do, we can't truly prevent it(not now, and not likely in`80 either). So why not figure out how to deal with the rest of it? Why, that's because some people can't "move on". ;) This isn't leadership. It's jumping out in front of the lemming pack and yelling follow me.
 
Oh, and an unseen gollum is a much more effective gollum(damage x2 backstab! ).
 
Waittaminute. You're going to use global warming to measure Obama's strategic sense? Couldn't you find something more abstract to use, say, preferred defenses against asteroid bombardments? What I was referring to (and this is clearly in my post) is the sense of strategic vision on national strategy issues. I don't think global warming is (yet) a national strategy issue, but it may be soon. Who knows. The point of the post was to identify that Obama, at the least, is debating the need to engage the region as opposed to just Iraq. McCain, on the other hand, seems very satisfied with ensuring the smooth military execution of a failed strategy focused only on Iraq. I am sure I don't have to spell out the differences in strategic warfare vice operational warfare. McCain doesn't have it, or at least he hasn't expressed the desire to engage the regional challenges. No, just keep chanting "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran..." yeah, that will solve all of our issues in Iraq. Or not.
 
And Jason shows up to defend his man! Gimme some popcorn.
 
"bomb, bomb, bomb Iran..." yeah, that will solve all of our issues in Iraq. I don't think any of us just want to "bomb Iran" in the naive belief that that alone would solve anything, but I think most of us would acknowledge that the Iranian regime is behind a LOT of our problems in Iraq and elsewhere, with respect to their state support of terrorism and their constant efforts to undermine US interests and security around the world.
 
Elements of Strategy (Art Lykke Army War College Model): Ends (What you want to achieve) Ways (How you will do it) Means (What resources are required to do it) Obama is long on ends, short, or at least extremely unrealistic, on the other two. Also, any strategy must meet the FSA test: it must be Feasible (it can be done), Suitable (It will solve the problem it's trying to solve), and Acceptable (meaning, in this case, acceptable to the voters and Congress) Obama fails on all three counts.
 
"Failed Iraq" strategy? Where has it failed? islamization has been largely discredited right in the center of the Arab/Islamic region (regional strategy?) 2) Al Qaida has taken a huge black eye along with it even though, at some point, it certainly was able to draw in a nice crowd of wannabe warriors for Allah. In fact, as I once premised, the act of taking Baghdad acted as an accelerator, on purpose or not. If you want to get inside your enemy's OODA Loop, sometimes you have to do the unexpected or force them to commit some place they are not ready to either materially, monetarily, organizationally or ideologically. That was what happened, as ugly as we like to think it, accidental or not. Kind of reminds me of Sherman's march to the sea. 3) We are creating (and they already exist), some pretty adamant, free, democratic thinkers (though they are all at different degrees of that concept, they exist) who are becoming a credible voice for freedom in the region and will continue to do so as long as we don't abandon them to chaos and the potential rise of another dictator. It will have an effect on Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and many others in the region. They won't be able to help it. 4) don't tell me that bombing Iran hasn't crossed your mind once or twice. It sure has mine every time I read about more rockets and EFPs coming in and killing our men and women. Fortunately, I am ready to finish the two projects we have going before seriously considering it, but it is still on my list if we don't get something else going to shove the mad mullahs back in their cages and our men and women stop being killed by their weapons. We've staked a flag in the heart of jihadi Wahhabi land and I'm not willing to give it up. I believe there is a serious long term advantage to that that some folks are too short sighted to see.
 
And the notion that the Bush Administration is just chanting "bomb bomb bomb Iran" and not actively and directly "engaging" Iran in diplomatic efforts is contradicted by stories like this: US and Iran holding 'secret' talks on nuclear programme http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/us-and-iran-holding-secret-talks-on-nuclear-programme-808647.html ... Iran and the United States have been engaged in secret "back channel" discussions for the past five years on Iran's nuclear programme and the broader relationship between the two sworn enemies, The Independent can reveal. ... Some people think that unless they read about it in the NYT, or that if it's not shouted from the rooftops, that "quiet diplomacy" is not happening.
 
Oh, bother. Yeah J, I'm taking Obama to task for being touted as a 'strategic thinker' on a whole host of issues. It was inspired by you, but isn't only about *you*. So, leaving a country, a powder keg that makes Franz Ferdinand look like a piker, 'as fast as possible'(meaning 18 months if not sooner) is engaging the region in a smart manner? Sorry, not buying. Leaving Iraq like Obama wants to puts a major conflagration on the table and a real non-zero possibility(but, hey, anything is better than staying, right?). Staying in Iraq, and as you say 'only Iraq'(which I think is a gross misstatement of the case and your oppositions reasoning for staying), is in part because we've now created something we simply cannot leave, it's the TS/slow step of the reaction(something that if you change the conditions you don't get the product you aimed for, to misuse an organic chemistry analogy). What I hear out of Obama is 'we've spent this long on it and now we're casting it off because we aren't getting results as fast as we'd like. It's hard and we don't want to do something hard anymore. Let's do all that gov't deficit spending here at home instead.'. Real nice. Real strategic. And all the other work with people like Jordan, Lebanon, all those mil-mil, mil-pol stuff that engenders isn't nor will it ever be actually working with the region, will it(at least not while a Bush sits in the presidential chair anyways)? Talking to Iran instead of 'bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran'(and where the hell did this meme come from, and why are they massacring the Beach Boys. Sacrilegous wankers?) as Bush has done--- continuing the diplo angle in conjunction with the Euros over Iranian nucs. working with Pakistan, and India(Mil-mil and mil-pol, despite what the Indian Communist party says) doesn't count. Right. Okay, lets just define everything so the opposing side is nothing but jackals, then. No, we stay because the scenario we believe in, the one the data points to, is a worse one than if we stay(no, not be channeling Cheney with the aQ takes over bogeyman, but the sectarian spill over looks very everyone else versus the Hapsburgs to me). Yeah, Obama's got the right track. Never has he even mentioned(in public) the problems with leaving. Only hit on how we're going to get everyone to get on board by talking to them(never a mention of what we're going to have to offer to get them on board, just the promise. Hell, if that's all it takes I promise everyone a unicorn and million dollars. Can we all end wars now, then?). Yup, I call it like I see it homey. He's not a strategic thinker. He's a talker and someone who jumped out in front of the lemming pack(wow, the American public is so fickle that when the nightly news is 'Surge works' they side with it, when the nightly news was 'Iraq is scary' they were onboard with the invasion, but given a steady diet of anti-invasion/surge they side with the anti. Lemmings.) and does what they want, but only from the front of the pack. He's not a strategic thinker. If he was he'd see Iraq as the seam state that it is(as Barnett does) and how that it needs to be leveraged to forever alter the ME(much like Afghanistan needs to be leveraged to alter S. Asia forever), instead of saying we'll leave it and somehow(again, specifically) get people to sit down and talk thereby achieving it all without arms. Pie-in-the-sky doesn't count as leadership or strategic vision. They count as day dreams or impossible campaign promises. (Oh, you mean we can't use Iraq as an, i dunno, staging area for further operations(political as much as military) at all? Well, I guess that's just a stupid strategy then, huh? We shouldn't even consider pursuing it at all. Nope, just leave because it got hard and more expensive than we originally thought. Just like Somalia(and how is Somalia with the plans of talking instead of bombing going post-BHD, eh? Oh, went back to a hell hole didn't it? Repressive regime(but it provided stability!) that was a haven for pirates and terrorists(but at least it was stable!) took over. bummer.). But, at least it's not being stuck in Iraq. We couldn't' possibly want to use Iraq as a means of imputting new ideas and institutions into the region(even if we do wind up having to do 'Nixon to China' vis Iran.), and so it must simply be The White Whale(in other words, what a load of $3i! such a reduction is.). Which is why Sen. Obama *isn't* a strategic thinker in terms of military strategy. But that's okay, I don't expect most presidents(unless they were Flags before they became president) to be military strategists. So, instead I looked at him from a multi-disciplinary angle. And you know what? He *still* came up lacking. He's been billed as this great man of vision(by you, Jason, and others) and I'm not seeing it. I don't see how your reason for leaving Iraq makes sense(the purpose of strategy is to ensure a better peace, leaving makes a better peace how, concretely? I know the fairy tales coming out of FP and FA the last couple of months. But how does that jive with the historical record that reconstruction and rehabilitation takes decades and not years to do regardless of the on the ground culture?). So I'm not seeing Obama as all that bright there. He, along with you, are classifying it as The White Whale and thereby dismissing out of hand that there could be any other rationale for continuing nor that Iraq in itself is a battle that's part of a campaign to deal with the region as a whole(a baby step, so to speak). Nope, it's just The Whale. Nor is he showing it in other areas as far as I'm concerned. Sorry Jay, not convinced. I made my case. Now tell us why you think I'm a fargin' idiot(and no telling me about last weeks BSG either, or I'll ankle bite, I swear I will.).
 
Congrats Ry - the response is longer than the original post by an order of magnitude...
 
Well, I have to let the verbosity out somewhere. At least the post was concise and to the point, which is what you want(and at least I didn't burn up the front page with it neither). "He doesn't show the traits, here's the evidence." And verbosity is what you get when I'm IMing, reading about Asian mil-pol(what a bunch of fear mongering tripe about China is out there. Jeesh. Not saying that China isn't a problem or that their modernization changes the number of equivalents they get in the '3:1' calculations, but does it always have to be so 'they're coming to get us and they're soooo scary'?), and writing a response to Jason.
 
You may want to take a look at Drudge. A Rep Congressman has a comment about Obama's finger on the button and his strategic thinking capability.
 
Obama: I disagree. Obama has to be a strategic thinker already. He did not get into the Presidential race without thinking ahead with some degree of intelligence. Obama's 'policy' on this sort of thing is not about him it's about his voters and saying the crap they want to hear which seems to be all this man does. As such it's not a reflection of his skills at strategic thinking. It's more a reflection of his lack of real dedication to global warming and probably anything actually. Iraq: No staying is better now until the Iraqis tell those soldiers to go away. I would be the first to stick my hand up for the idiocy of the past strategic Iraq war policies. I would even venture to say it very nearly turned into a pile of goo for which I really thank the soldiers for preventing. However the general gist of facing nutso Islam and changing the ME from a policy of division with control to freedom and progress I fully support. Iraqis are becoming progressives haha! Now I bet that stirs the pot. I cannot even imagine the good these ppl could do. They will not be Democratic Americans. They will be new with a totally different cultural level. Afghan will not be so smooth. It's been ignored and disfocused and has little basis of economy. Global Warming: I am not on the conservative side with the environment. For one thing I think global warming is real as I do many other environmental considerations. Conservatives stick their hand in the sand and sing lalala it isn't happening. One only has to go to the river to see the damage conservatives created which most probably will never be fixed and know sticking the head in the sand is not very bright. But much of the liberal side has jumped on the bandwagon and it often seems to me the bandwagon goes waaay off course. For one thing wastewater reuse has nothing to do with it. It's a different environmental issue. These people are coming up with nothing to.. well, as Ry puts it, strategically solve the problem. If one takes that global warming is real then one puts in a plan of what to do about it. So far I'm not impressed. I hear too much romantic talk of solar cell and other marvelous technology proliferation and not enough on dealing with rising sea levels or severe weather or climate changes effect on nature, people or farming. *Practical* solutions to slow global warming and mitigate the effects are far too rarely implemented. Iran: Actually.. I find bombing Iran somewhat appealing. Certain places you know. Suggesting that it's all Bush wants to do is sheer idiocy. It hasn't happened yet. What is preventing him? Well the answer is simple. Him. So the idea is complete bull. Besides it's not about solving problems in Iraq alone. There are far far more problem than Iraq no mater what anybody pretends. Iran is one of them.
 
But, that's my point, Trias. It won't hurt Obama with the people he's trying to woo to vote for him(centrist republicans, true independents(not the fools who claim they are but have voted and continue to vote for the same year after year), and what's now called the 'crunchy con') to come out with a much more detailed and far reaching ecoological plan. I get that there's a level of the 10 second attention span involved in all of this, but that he refuses to do so for something like the environment, something more people understand than military strategy or geo-political strategy, says something, imo. Either he doesn't think very far ahead and the inter=realations, or he's an elitist who doesn't think he needs to tell us(and that goes for most pols, not just Obama.). When I look at the ME I do see things as being more reminiscent of the Hapsburgs being beset on all sides or pre-WW1 Europe where there's a ton of intrigues looking to set things off. I use the Hapsburgs because you've got not only the secular reasons(all the nations want what's best for them, and many don't like the pull of the COG east toward the former Persian empire) but also the religious thing(Sunni and Shiite). Without a strong influence in the region you've got people looking to off or annex someone---which explains the Hapsburgs troubles since they as big fish were either fighting someone off or wasting their strength trying to take someone out. In how this is pre-WW1 you've got people, again, not wanting to see the rise of a powerful Iran(the formation of the Triple Alliance as a countering tool against Bismark's machinations and the rising German economy) forming formal and informal alliances or taking other measures to limit Iranian influence(like picking up nuclear programs, or looking to do it(SAudi), Oman(?, I know there's a second nation doing it, can't remember who)). All it took was one nationalist to assasinate one minorly important public figure and Europe was in flames. So, pulling out, removing Gulliver, is somehow a stabilizing event in this how? I can't see it. Again, the purpose of a strategy is to bring about a better peace once it's all said and done. Leaving does not produce that, IMO. So why do it? Enviro: yup, that's where I'm at, Trias. Lots of people talk, but what they say is very meaningless. We'll cap carbon and shift to hydrogen. Fine, what's the second biggest GHG culprit? Water(has to do with the way their O-H bonds oscillate). What's the product of hyrodgen reactions? Water. Great, we've really solved that problem. We'll just eject tons more steam into the air every year and that'll lick GW. How're you going to feed everyone with weather instability leading to massive drought in central parts of continents? Oh, well we capped carbon and that'll take care of all of it. Sheer self-righteous idiocy. But that's what the man's running publicly. If he's all that he's made out to be(Jason) he'll push more than 'Hope' and 'Belief" but actual policies we of the Gray Tribe can mull to be either wonover or lost based on the logic and reasoning.
 
This feels more like some psychedelic compression of 1901 to 1941 complete with the rise of nationalism, fascism and communism (just call them the names of their modern counterparts) and many "little corporals" trying to stir the masses and take over the world.
 
Iran. Sigh. Would bombing it actually get us what we want(which is nuclear weapons out of the hands of the terrorist(historicly speaking) supporting Mullahs(Amindijad is nobody, actually, it's the Mullahs who are the real power) and instituting a more Western friendly, market economy friendly, liberal(ish) regime.)? Just bombing Iran does not do that. It might forestall the first(Mullah's getting nucs) but it seriously makes the second(different regime) much harder. It may be necessary to do, if things take certain turns(say, they admit to actually turning out a few dozen warheads and our intel knows where those warheads are, so when we hit the production sites we also hit the launchables), but not right now. It *should* be in the workshop, but thought of as a specialty tool(lathe) instead of a common pair of channel locks that're really versatile. Iran makes sense in some very limited scenarios. ONe that does make sense is classic interdiction of supplies/manpower(if we can ever confidently ID where and how stuff may be coming in). Beyond that I'm not seeing much. So I don't know where J is getting the Beach Boys inspired 'Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran' thing. Nobody so far as I know simply has a hard-on for bombing Iran or sees it as the pull on the gordian knot that solves Iraq. Sounds more like the demonization and infantilization of our position that I see on his side of the fence(not from him so much as the side he happens to be on) than a real criticism of any real policy(how many times have people like Sy Hersh and HuffPosters claimed a massive attack on Iran was immenent? At least twice in the last five years that I can remember.).