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Lessons from History: American Independence

[Kat]

As some of you might know, I'm reading David McCollough's "John Adams". I don't think this book is for everyone. It's very detailed and very long. However, I have to say that it has really got me thinking lately.

I suppose, if you look hard enough in history, you can find certain moments, quotes and deeds that seem to reflect our modern endeavors, our conflicts, our triumphs and our losses as a nation. Our modern ideas of independence and diplomacy are reflected throughout McCullough's book on Adams.

McCullough, writing about Adams in France, quotes a letter to congress on April 18, 1780:

Although I am convinced by everything I see, and read and hear, that all the powers of Europe...rejoice in the American Revolution and consider the independence of America in their interest and happiness...yet I have many reasons to think that not one of them, not even Spain or France, wishes to see America rise very fast to power.

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We ought therefore to be cautious how we magnify our ideas and exaggerate our expressions of the generosity and magnanimity of any of these powers. Let us treat them with gratitude, but with dignity. Let us remember what is due to ourselves and our posterity as well as to them. Let us above all things avoid as much as possible entangling ourselves with their wars and politics...America has been the sport of European wars and politics long enough.

Some might say that the shoe is on the other foot these days. However, it might behoove us to remember, when people are screaming about imperialism and war for oil, however, deep our own interests lay, there is always another's that we see as bound to ours and vis-a-versa, but also and often opposing.

McCollough again writing about Adams in 1781 to negotiate a peace treaty with Britain, notes a discussion Adams had with Richard Oswald who charged Adams with being afraid of becoming the tool of the powers of Europe. Adams replied, "Indeed, I am."

"What powers?" says he [Oswald]. "all of them," says I. "It is obvious that all the powers of Europe will be continually maneuvering with us, to work us into their real or imaginary balances of power....I think it ought to be our rule not to meddle, and that of all the powers of Europe not to desire us, or perhaps even to permit us, to interfere, if they can help it."

In an earlier letter he wrote to Congress on learning that the ambassadors have been directed to do nothing without the agreement or direction of the French court, quoting John Jay:

I cannot express it better than in his own words: "to be honest and grateful to our allies, but to think for ourselves."

Adams went on with the other commissioners to insist, even against France's wishes, that negotiations could not start unless Britain first recognized the United States' independence. France, for its part, had already indicated to Britain that the recognition of independence was not a primary concern for them in negotiating peace. Of course, France had helped the United States, but had also helped itself into severe debt. It was interested, at this point, in "peace at any price." Adams et al stuck to their guns and the British finally returned with instructions to negotiate with "the United States of America" instead of the "colonies".

It is interesting how Adams was at once excoriated by some members of congress for being "too rigid" and not deferential enough to our allies. Then, when he secured the peace treaty with all that congress could ask, he was praised by some who had questioned his abilities and others, even at the moment of triumph, still wrote him letters demanding to know why he had done this or that, or not done another.

At the beginning of our inception as a nation, the same questions, the same issues existed about how to conduct foreign affairs, the type of diplomacy or diplomats we used and how deferential to be to our nominal allies, particularly those in Europe, that exist today.

In closing, in response to those who lament the American image in Europe and abroad, I will quote from one more letter from Adams to a young merchant who was going to Europe and who had asked what manners he should cultivate while touring Europe:

You tell me, sir, you wish to cultivate your manners before you begin your travels...permit me to take the liberty of advising you to cultivate the manners of your own country, not those of Europe.

6 Comments

Morning Kat, In reading John Adams I found it necessary to brush up on world geography in 1781. The map was very different then what my minds eye remembered. To appreciate all the interplay I had to take into consideration so many other issues for the British Empire, vs France and Spain. What were the Ottomans doing? What about the goings on in India? Who was marrying who and what for? It seems all the heads of state at that time, could have had breakfast at a Dennys instead of needing all those buildings in New York and Geneva.
 
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KAt, I did an analysis of our first forty years a while ago and called it "Democracy Is Hard". http://northshorejournal.org/index.php/democracy-is-hard It's amazing just how hard. If it were not for men like Adams, I think my list would end far shorter than it does.
 
To appreciate all the interplay I had to take into consideration so many other issues for the British Empire, vs France and Spain. What were the Ottomans doing? What about the goings on in India? Who was marrying who and what for?
Yes, exactly. Particularly the issue with the Ottomans and India. England was really, really far stretched and was trying to hold on to all its possessions instead of a few important ones. I read a considerable amount about the East Indies company and India about that time. We were fortunate. Then there was that whole "holy roman empire" thing with the hapsburgs, et al and the king of France feeling a little squeezed. It is interesting to read our history as an adult with information about world history.
 
I'm at work and it won't let me access your site, chuck. I'll check it out this evening and see about adding it to my next "history lesson".
 
I found that book hard to stay with at first, but worth the time it took, and extremely informative (especially in re: life styles, and what happened to his daughter, etc). John Adams was an amazing man, but if the part where he meets the English King as Ambassador for the U.S. doesn't give you goose bumps and the biggest smile you ever had, then I just don't know what to say.... And yes, it gets you thinking. Right now I am reading both Cicero's Republic and The Federalist Papers, which are amazingly similar in their focus, and very much relevant to today's discussions. What strikes me, though, and is relevant to this post is the continuity of thought and the evident value of a classical education. Adams was surely as much a student of Plato and Socrates as was Cicero, and as were Adams' revolutionary contemporaries. And look what it got us! More to come on this... SangerM
 
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