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  <title>Comments for H&amp;I Fires* 4 April 2008</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2008-04-05T04:32:55Z</published>
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    <title>H&amp;I Fires* 4 April 2008</title>
    <summary>Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That&apos;s only polite. You&apos;re advertising here, we should get an ad at your place... Time to add a new caveat, because from email it&apos;s not clear to some folks (mind you, if you don&apos;t read this it won&apos;t matter...) Being an open post, people (collectively, the Denizens) other than I post in the H&amp;I. They sign their work (most of the time) - keep that in mind when you want...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p><em>Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That's only polite.</p>

<p>You're advertising here, we should get an ad at your place...</p>

<p>Time to add a new caveat, because from email it's not clear to some folks (mind you, if you don't read this it won't matter...) Being an open post, people (collectively, the Denizens) other than I post in the H&I. They sign their work (most of the time) - keep that in mind when you want to flame someone in email please - if it doesn't say "The Armorer" or "John" then I didn't write it! And honestly - if you don't like something said or posted... leave a comment, and hash it out (within the context of The Rulez which are clearly posted on the comment form, I would add).</em></p>

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<p>First up: Awwwwwwwwww! [FbL sez: via comments, Wolfwalker points us <a href="http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/03/navy_owl_discovery_033108w/"><strong>more on the owl</strong></a>.]</p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/FB3640658AB9154/orig.jpg" border=0 alt="F-18 FOD - U.S. airmen aboard the aircraft carrier USS Truman discovered a screech owl in the left-main wheel well of an F/A 18 Hornet during a pre-flight inspection, March 17, 2008. Nicknamed 'Fod,' short for foreign object debris, the bird was nursed back to health by an airmen who is a licensed U.S. falconer, then transported to land and safely released. U.S. Navy photo by Seaman Matthew Bookwalter "></p>

<blockquote>F-18 FOD - U.S. airmen aboard the aircraft carrier USS Truman discovered a screech owl in the left-main wheel well of an F/A 18 Hornet during a pre-flight inspection, March 17, 2008. Nicknamed 'Fod,' short for foreign object debris, the bird was nursed back to health by an airmen who is a licensed U.S. falconer, then transported to land and safely released. U.S. Navy photo by Seaman Matthew Bookwalter </blockquote>

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Second up: Gimme summoradat!</p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/3DCC0B69BE92043/orig.jpg" border=0 alt="A Paladin fires its 155mm Howitzer from Badoush Prison near Mosul to expose enemy movement, March 29, 2008. The Howitzer belongs to Howitzer Battery, 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment from Fort Hood, Texas. U.S. Army Spc. John Crosby"></p>

<blockquote>A Paladin fires its 155mm Howitzer from Badoush Prison near Mosul to expose enemy movement, March 29, 2008. The Howitzer belongs to Howitzer Battery, 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment from Fort Hood, Texas. U.S. Army Spc. John Crosby </blockquote>

<p>-the Armorer</p>

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<p>Heh.  Heard about Randi Rhodes getting suspended for potty-mouthing Ms' Ferraro and Clinton?<br />
<strong><a href="http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/04/air-america-suspends-randi-rhodes-for.html">You can catch that here, at Wake Up America</a></strong>, if you'd like (NSFW language warning).  Along with some links to things she's said about Republicans that apparently aren't worthy of getting Ms. Rhodes, as Susan puts it, "Kicked to the curb." Indeed.  -the Armorer</p>

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<p>Heh.  *Everybody* is sending me links to this story - <strong><a href="http://www.wftv.com/news/15785942/detail.html">about a PIAT that was seized in a bust of a criminal enterprise</a></strong>.</p>

<p><em>Even without a live round, deputies showed off the power of a WWII-era grenade launcher Thursday (weapon details). It was one of more than 20 weapons seized in an eight-month investigation into an organized crime ring dealing in drugs, guns and stolen property in places like Polk, Osceola and Orange counties.</em></p>

<p>Heh.  What they showed off, perhaps, was the power of the recoil spring.  Which is pretty powerful (but does not, as many people think, have anything to do with the *launching* of a projectile, except to initiate the cartridge and absorb the recoil).  You have to be powerful to absorb the recoil of a 3 pound projo being launched 150 meters or so without breaking the operator's shoulder.  Before anyone gets too excited - the PIAT was removed from the NFA list... because ammunition for them isn't available.  They're legal to own Federally, without restriction.  I just love this kind of breathless reportage.  </p>

<p>Not.</p>

<p>The Sheriff says they were told it was test-fired into a lake.  If it was in that configuration - I have no idea what they might have been launching - but I bet they were just letting the spring-loaded spigot go forward, which wouldn't have launched much very far.  This is truly a "stupid criminal tricks" episode.  I do like that dangerous "bandanna" (hey, that's what the Sheriff called it) on the end of that Yugo SKS.  No doubt there's been a lot of drive-by bayonetings and rifle grenadings, a virtual epidemic.  As for the "full-auto" weapons, I would note that private ownership of those is legal in Florida - and would really like to know if those were legally held... I'm betting they were not NFA-registered weapons.  I am also, honestly, bemused and amused by law enforcement agencies who have their CLEO wear 4-star rank.  It seems kinda, pretentious all things considered.  I'm not slamming the Sheriff here - if that's the uniform, that's the uniform, he probably didn't have anything to do with it - it was some predecessor of his.</p>

<p>Nice example of the PIAT, though.  Late model, and they have the sub-caliber training round tray in it.  'Bout $1-1.5K worth of PIAT.  And not illegal, however much I'm sure they want it to be.</p>

<p>Yes, <strong><a href="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2003/12/tadaaaa_piat_p0rn.html">the Castle owns a PIAT.</a></strong>  We've even got inert rounds.  Heck, we've got something else the bad guys didn't have - <strong><a href="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2004/06/the_answer_to_the_question.html">a (expended) launching cartridge</a></strong>.  All the loaded guns - that's a story.  The breathless concern about the PIAT?  Misplaced.  Bozos didn't even have the butt pad for it - if they'd ever *really* fired it, they'd have been *really* unhappy.  H/t, Too Numerous to Mention! -the Armorer</p>

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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-04-06</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        Geez, John, don&apos;t ya *get* blogger ego at *all*?

Like Matty *needs* the exposure.

8^)
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    <published>2008-04-06T13:01:05Z</published>
    <updated>2008-04-06T13:01:05Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2008-04-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[<em>Bozos didn't even have the butt pad for it...</em>

Great. Something *else* to send Cassie's mind off on a tangent...]]>
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    <published>2008-04-06T07:59:31Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from J.M. Heinrichs on 2008-04-05</title>
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        You mean I can&apos;t cite BlackFive? Ever? Only if Arrggghhhh yields a nil response?

Cheers
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    <published>2008-04-06T01:43:39Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-04-05</title>
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        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        <![CDATA[Heh.  I know the search function is broken, CAPT H, <strong><a href="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/08/smokey_smith_vc_rip.html" rel="nofollow">but you didn't have to go quite so far afield to find a tribute to Smokey Smith, VC</a></strong>.]]>
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    <published>2008-04-06T01:03:20Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from J.M. Heinrichs on 2008-04-05</title>
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        <![CDATA[In memory of a <a href="http://www.blackfive.net/main/2005/08/godspeed_smokey.html" rel="nofollow">PIAT</a> gunner.

Cheers]]>
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    <published>2008-04-05T22:30:56Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Attila (Among others) on 2008-04-05</title>
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        Re Randi: For the record, no relation. She gets a lot of things wrong, including how to spell that last name correctly. (Those of you who know, know.)

Instaattilapilot
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2008-04-05</title>
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        <![CDATA[<em>No doubt there's been a lot of drive-by bayonetings...</em>

Or a poseur attempting to best your record...

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        John,
When I saw the PIAT, I thought of expended LAW tubes. People freak out over something totally harmless. Even if you explain in small words why it is harmless, they still freak out. 

Had a mom come into the recruiting station and totally wigged over the inert training grenade on my desk. She was sure I was trying to kill her child. I explained that it was inert. Didn&apos;t matter. Showed her the hole in the bottom. Didn&apos;t matter. Mentioned that I wouln&apos;t exactly want to blow myself up. Didn&apos;t matter. Some people are not going to be assuaged. 
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-04-05</title>
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        Mike - yes I knew it was at an event, having watched the video.  I&apos;m just amused at what passes for &quot;unacceptable speech&quot; at Air America.
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2008-04-05</title>
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        A screech owl in the Persian Gulf? He&apos;s a looooong way from home. Looks more like a local bird, though; my guess would be a Scops or a Little Owl. 
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    <title>Comment from Mike on 2008-04-04</title>
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        <![CDATA[Fbl,
Tnx so much for the owl link, has the Sierra Club yet declared the F-18 wheel well dwelling owl an "endangered species"?
John,
While no fan of Randi,let alone "Air Un-America", the offensive commentary which got her fired was not broadcast, but at a "comedy club" or whatever venue.
Of course, I think she should've been fired long ago for comments she made on her pathetic little radio show.
<a href="http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2008/02/randi-rhodes-airs-unhinged-anti-romney.html" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2008/02/randi-rhodes-airs-unhinged-anti-romney.html" rel="nofollow">http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2008/02/randi-rhodes-airs-unhinged-anti-romney.html</a></a>

"'KILLING RAMPAGE'
Rhodes Skit Says Romney Supporters Will Kill Innocent People"
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        GMT,

3 ACR relocated to Ft Hood to make room for more BCTs in 4 ID. All part of the Grow the Army plan.
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    <published>2008-04-05T01:14:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from jim b on 2008-04-04</title>
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        Gun Grab update:.. Patricia sends...

&quot;This week we had good success at the Capital! Two bills we’ve been working are now on the way to the Governor for her signature.

HB 2280 (was HB 2811) The Emergency Powers Act (this would prevent the kind of government occupation that occurred at Greensburg)and SB 46 which allows dealers to sell Class III firearms, and allows individuals to possess them in Kansas, both passed House and Senate. 

We now wait to see what the Governor will do. She has the power to veto both bills. Should she do so, the forecast is that we easily have enough votes to override a veto on HB 2280 and possibly SB 46.

On the Greensburg matter, several 2A organizations are now investigating what happend and the legislators have been given the information as well. 

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    <published>2008-04-04T22:42:15Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from jim b on 2008-04-04</title>
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        I bet it makes a mean club.
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    <published>2008-04-04T20:50:48Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Blake Kirk on 2008-04-04</title>
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        <name>Blake Kirk</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Gawds.  The PIAT.  Not quite the weirdest anti-tank weapon ever devised by the mind of man, (the leading contenders for <em>that</em> title are most likely the Brit's Sticky Bomb and the Soviet-designed Dog Mine,) but pretty far up in the running.

One of the reasons I'm fond of the film <em>A Bridge Too Far</em> is that during the scenes where Major Frost's troops are defending their toehold on the northern end of the bridge at Arnhem, they actually fire at least one PIAT at the oncoming German tanks.    ]]>
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    <published>2008-04-04T20:40:30Z</published>
    <updated>2008-04-04T20:40:30Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from GMT on 2008-04-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>GMT</name>
        <uri>http://grandmofftrojan.blogspot.com</uri>
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        Isn&apos;t the 3rd ACR out of Colorado Springs?  It was when I was in the 1st Cav...
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    <published>2008-04-04T18:37:26Z</published>
    <updated>2008-04-04T18:37:26Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from wolfwalker on 2008-04-04</title>
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        <name>wolfwalker</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[Oh, and about that second photo, Armorer: please please <em>please</em> tell me that somewhere in the Army is at least one Paladin that has a silver chess knight painted on the turret.  ]]>
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    <published>2008-04-04T15:56:44Z</published>
    <updated>2008-04-04T15:56:44Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from wolfwalker on 2008-04-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>wolfwalker</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[The Navy Times <a href="http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/03/navy_owl_discovery_033108w/" rel="nofollow">ran a story about the errant owl</a>, with a few more details.  They took it ashore in a cargo plane.  I gotta wonder what the bird thought of the cat shot...

I dislike using the word "cute," especially for a bird of prey, but screech-owls make it hard to avoid.  ]]>
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    <published>2008-04-04T15:50:32Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BloodSpite on 2008-04-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>BloodSpite</name>
        <uri>http://www.techography.com</uri>
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        Ahh Karma.

And double standards....
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    <published>2008-04-04T15:26:19Z</published>
    <updated>2008-04-04T15:26:19Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from FbL on 2008-04-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>FbL</name>
        <uri>http://www.fuzzilicious.blogspot.com</uri>
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        Awwwwwwwwwwww!!!  That owl story just makes me melt... so adorable!!
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    <published>2008-04-04T14:51:36Z</published>
    <updated>2008-04-04T14:51:36Z</updated>
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