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Partially answering the Whatziss...

Why? Because I'm going to be on the road this week, with daytime meetings followed by evening skull sessions to digest the results to take into the next days meetings. IOW, I'm gonna be busy, so I'm spending time today pre-building posts for the week! So my two-fer post is going to end up... two answer posts!

And to make it worse - in reverse order. Of course, thinking about it - I'll probably have faster access at the hotel. Just not the time.

Okay - the question was -

What's the first thing that pops into your mind when you see this picture?

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The first thing that pops into my mind was a shorter version of what TmjUtah said:

The second pic? That boy is young and full of optimism. Let him hit forty or so and he'll remember well every single 'nade he fired from the shoulder.

For me, it was simply "Ouch."

Yep, it's a young soldier, in a clean uniform, in a staged photo from a training manual. He's demonstrating one of the ways to fire a Mills Bomb from a rifle. Given the little axiom of "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction" firing the not-terribly-light Mills Bomb from the shoulder like that is going to involve some serious recoil.

Never having fired a grenade of that weight (1 pound 11 ounces) from the shoulder (but having fired rifle grenades) I don't know if the kick will be enough to knock him over in that stance, as Ry suggested, but I do know I would probably have my feet positioned differently. Of course, one would hope they had done this before writing the manual, and perhaps that is the optimal stance. I dunno. I've got a SMLE, and I've got rodded Mills Bombs (better known as the "Rifle Grenade, .303, Mk 23", and I've got grenade-launching blanks... but sorry, I'm not going to test it for you. But I will go into more detail on the subject in the Flash Traffic/Extended Entry if you've the interest.

Grenade, rifle, .303, No 23

A good place to start is simply answering Eric's questions...

Using a rifle grenade (longish-range) and bayonet (short-range) at the same time strikes me as rather odd. Was this a normal thing to do? And then there's the bonus hazard of loading the grenade with that pointy thing attached. And, as others have noted, the whole shoulder-firing business. And he seems to be looking upward, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me; weren't there special grenade-launching sights? What's he looking at up there?

Well, lessee, Eric. We're in combat in the trenches of WWI. As configured, that soldier has a long ranged weapon - his rifle. A medium ranged (100m or so) grenade tosser, and that bayonet for when things get 'sticky'. He's got a weapon he can use from cover - that grenade. He could either be firing it to break up a wire-cutting party in No Man's Land, to break up an assault, or he could be in the forward german trench after taking it, and is trying to take out a machine-gun nest in the next line, or one that is flanking his current position - and he still has his rifle and bayonet available, especially if he's got one of the SMLE's with a magazine cut-off, so he can hand-load the blanks and not worry as much about inadvertently loading a ball round, or not having any ball rounds available should he need to take a shot.

So, It makes sense to me. Yes, it was a normal thing to do. Loading the grenade, with bayonet attached? Hey, I'm the only one around here in danger, given one of the things I'm #1 in Google for... but the bayonet is actually a safety device in this context. Remember, this guy has to load the grenade, pull the pin, aim, and fire. In the early versions of the grenade, he had a 7 second fuze. That's a comfortable amount of time, but was too long tactically, as the cheeky Hun would toss 'em back, which was annoying. So, the time was shortened to 4 seconds. Hmmmm. Scary, pull the pin, let the lever fly, and get that thing away from me in 4 seconds...

I don't like that process much, and neither did Tommy. Soooo. The lever or "spoon" that released the striker is grooved. And the base plug, which is reinforced for the rod, is also shaped to rest against the bayonet boss - so that with the bayonet attached, you slid the rod into the muzzle, with the lever laying along the bayonet, and the base resting against the boss, to help keep the lever aligned along the blade. You still didn't pull that pin any earlier than needed. The whole thing also provides a bit of friction to help keep the grenade in the muzzle, in case you need to move suddenly, because of that jerk from the other side who just noticed you were going to try to kill his buddies or something. So, the bayonet is really a needful accessory there, to answer's Karla's safety question.

It wasn't all that great a method, however, so later in the war a "cup" attachment was provided, which held the lever in place more securely... but that attachment was held in place by... the bayonet! Later, an actual cup was provided, and a "gas check" plate like this example of a sectioned grenade in the Arsenal of Argghhh!!!. This gizmo had a sliding adjustable port in it - so that with the provided special sights, you actually had some real ranging/trajectory options... but that's a post for another time.

There were special grenade launching sights, but they were relatively rare, as most grenadiers got good enough with the weapon that they could get the bomb where they wanted it - just like current M203 gunners can. I know, after about 30 rounds of practice, I could reliably put a 40mm grenade into the hatch of one of the derelict Sherman turrets on the grenade range at Grafenwoehr, and that from any position on the range. And I've not been able to track it down - but I think the actual special purpose sights were for the later cup dischargers, vice the earlier rod grenades. Perhaps some reader knows?

But there ya have it - a quick and dirty on the joys of grenading by using a grenade with a rod stuck in it sticking down your rifle barrel - ruining your rifle's accuracy over time - usually by bulging the barrel. Therefore, at least for defensive purposes, worn out rifles were taken, reinforced with wire and an extra pin to help distribute recoil (in the stock, to reduce damage), and they were set for use in the trenches - wrapped with wire because when the barrel burst, it sent splinters of stock wood zipping through the air, which was... annoying.

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Great post, John- but *what* is that rectangular object under Tommy's cartridge belt? A case of rods to screw into the bombs?
 
Neffi - there are two other pics I've got of this young soldier. It appears he's wearing a special vest for grenadiers - and that the rectangular object you're curious about is excess web strap hanging down. He's actually got two of them, one on each side.
 
A touch OT but one of the best shooters I have is an Indian re-asrenalled SMLE. It has the much maligned Ishy Screw and the appearance of an old fence post. But looks are deceiving and that old warhorse can shoot!
 
All of my Enfields MkIII's, Mk V, No 4's and No 5, 12 of 'em altogether, are great shooters. Well, except the grenade launcher rifle. That's near a smoothbore.
 
"that rectangular object" is the excess portion of Tommy's 'right brace strap'. He appears to have adjusted his belt to ride high under his ribs, and thus the extra bit hangs loose. That of his left brace is also visible further to the viewer's right. See the first photo here. It shows an additional haversack slung from the left front brace. Cheers
 
Yeah, but- the excess web on his left is floppy, whilst the object on his right is rigid. Hmmm... you did mention the pic raises questions, IIRC. Grenade pouch on the left, rod case on the right? Mebbe....
 
Special Assistance Request!!! My Nephew is on his second tour in Iraq. His first tour was interesting enough for him to make one of those docu-dramas on the Discovery Channel. And interesting enough to where we couldn't tell his father he was being interviewed on television...Michael is a medic. So much for background. The Internet being a wonderful thing, I asked Mikey what he might need in the way of supplies. The first time at his FOB he needed the usual, baby wipes, tuna, instant oat meal etc. This time the war seems much easier to collect what the troops need and his list was a little more difficult. It pretty much could have been sent by any American from any of our last three wars. There was only one thing I could possibly supply, hookers being very difficult to ship through an APO. Your opinion please: would it be OK if I shipped a "Mr Beer" Delux home micro brewing unit with three recharges??? There is no alchohol. It's like shipping food. And until you add water and let it cook, there's no beer. St Paddy's day is coming and you know the rest...
 
You can ship it, and it will *probably* make it through customs, maybe not. And he's not responsible for relatives... If it does, and he makes beer, and gets caught? Well, then it depends on his commander. I would want to know more about his CO before I shipped him an "automatic" Article 15. Especially if he's career minded. If he's not... well, let your conscience be your guide.
 
Thanks John, He's not re-upping again and he gets out just after his return. His father has remodeled the family home to accomodate his return and new family. The Army is going to loose one hell of a Medic. I'll be more careful next time.
 
Fishmugger, that's a great thought, but don't ship it. Mr. Beer is great little gizmo, makes some great brew, but General Order #1 says no to homebrewing, the fun police already thought of that. Grrrrrr....
 
Apparently things are more slack among the Brits. On a blog I looked at from time to time, the blogowner's acquaintance asked her to send him some "Listerine" to his posting in Af'stan. Seems it went through. Tanqueray with a little extra food coloring. Mint flavor, y'know. Oh, you can defeat those tamper-resistant screw caps if you have a pocketknife and are willing to waste a bottle of the horrible blue-green Listerine which nobody should ever buy anyway, the original formula being better, as is usual.
 
1. http://www.aifquartermasters.com/images/P-08/po8set1.jpg 2. http://www.ppcli.canadianwebs.com/photo.html Standard Pattern 08 Web Equipment with the tag end of the right brace unfettered. Additional kit/pouches could be added to the brace ends. The Left brace is also visible sans additions such as grenade pouch or rod case. Cheers
 
Trenches! D'oh! How could I look at a WWI photo and not think trenches? Fascinating use of the bayonet as a spoon holder. My education continues....