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  <title>Comments for Time for a little gun posting.</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2008-02-07T15:56:18Z</published>
    <updated>2008-02-28T15:19:08Z</updated>
    <title>Time for a little gun posting.</title>
    <summary> Our local Kansas City NBC affiliate, KSHB-TV, ran a shocking exposé last night on the fact that if your child finds a gun in a box of toys given to them by an adult... they might react as if the gun was a toy. Really? I am *so* surprised to find that out. Whodathunkit? You should watch the piece by clicking here, before I further prejudice you on the subject. If the link has changed, which can happen as media sites refresh their content - search for &quot;Trigger Test&quot; to find the video. What have we learned here? 1....</summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/D5ECCA1B7F87F68/orig.jpg" border=0 alt="The Arms Room of Argghhh!"></p>

<p>Our local Kansas City NBC affiliate, KSHB-TV, ran a <em>shocking</em> exposé last night on the fact that if your child finds a gun in a box of toys given to them by an adult... they might react as if the gun was a toy.  </p>

<p>Really?  </p>

<p>I am *so* surprised to find that out.  </p>

<p>Whodathunkit?</p>

<p><strong><a href="http://www.nbcactionnews.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=318832@kshb.dayport.com&navCatId=4295">You should watch the piece by clicking here</a></strong>, before I further prejudice you on the subject.  If the link has changed, which can happen as media sites refresh their content - search for "Trigger Test" to find the video.</p>

<p>What have we learned here?  </p>

<p>1.  The television and movie industry have thoroughly socialized our kids on the use of firearms.  Yep.  </p>

<p>2.  That children, when presented with dangerous items by an adult bringing in toys will treat the item... like a toy, and in a very predictable fashion.</p>

<p>So, the real lesson here is... Adults should be adults and not give their children dangerous items to play with.  And, as an extra bonus, adults should not store dangerous items in toy boxes full of toys their children play with.</p>

<p>I have some more tests we could try.</p>

<p>Let's have kids get together and have an adult bring in some bags of candy, which have drug bottles mixed in, and see what happens.</p>

<p>Hey - at that event, let's have some soft drinks in mixed cans and bottles, and put in some poisonous liquids in similar packaging.  </p>

<p>Let's set a spread where we have PB&J fixin's laid out, and next to the blackberry jam and grape jelly, we have an open can of axle grease.  Oh, heck, put out some bologna and bread and have jars of mayonnaise and lithium grease, too.  Just a thought.</p>

<p>Certainly, the kids are only going to hurt themselves, loaded firearms allow them to hurt others.  And many of those poisons would be turned down by kids because they don't smell right/taste good, etc.  The drugs though... So, how do we handle these things?</p>

<p>Well, we keep the axle grease and lithium in the garage.  We keep caustic poisons under the sink and not in the 'fridge. Oft times with "child-proof" latches.  We keep our drugs in the drug cabinet, not in the pantry with the candy.</p>

<p>Why?  Because kids are still learning about that whole context thing.</p>

<p>A better test (although I'm betting with similar results) would be put the pistol in a playground and see what they do with it.</p>

<p>Another question I have is... <strong><a href="http://www.nrahq.org/safety/eddie/">how many of those kids have had the "Eddie Eagle" training from the NRA? </a></strong> Be interesting to see the results of a group of kids with that contextual element added.  I wouldn't be surprised, though, if there still wasn't a problem with handing children a box of toys with a pistol in it and having them treat it like a toy.  Gee, children trust us, eh?  It's like, *expected" ainnit?  </p>

<p>Really - the lesson learned here is... that adults have to be adults and pay attention to where the dangerous things are.  And that is a good lesson from this piece.  If you own firearms, and you store them in your children's toybox, you're probably going to have a problem.  And you can't assume that because you mentioned it in passing, that it's going to stick.  *Especially* if you didn't include... a gun in the discussion.  Yep, a real live pistol, so that your child *knows* what a real pistol looks like and feels like.  Hard to do if you don't own one, I know.</p>

<p>Right now, I know where all the 200+ Dangerous Objects of Argghhh! are in the house.  I know where the loaded <em>one</em> is.  I know where the ammo is stored.  There are, right now, three weapons upstairs, not in the gunroom.  The rifle above the bar, for which there is no ammo in the house.  And two pistols in the bedroom, one of which has a magazine in it, but nothing up the spout.</p>

<p>When Prodigal Son produces an heir, the pistols will move into a biometric drawer safe - no, no trigger locks.  <strong><a href="http://www.fototime.com/8DAF61648FEBD9C/orig.jpg">The vault door will be closed and locked</a></strong>.  And the only weapon in the house that is loaded, will be in a biometric safe.  Available if needed, but only to those who are allowed to have that access.  The only time there may be multiple weapons loaded at the Castle is on a shooting day with multiple firing points open.  And never more weapons loaded than people shooting them.  And the only loaded weapons are on the firing line.</p>

<p>And anyone who doesn't like those rules simply won't be invited back to a shooting event.</p>

<p>And Prodigal Son's heirs will be safe at the Castle, at least from firearm injury, <em>because the adults know their responsibilities</em>.  And make no assumptions about the behavior of children.  Your kids are safe at my house.  From guns, anyway.  They might get ticks, however.</p>

<p>The lesson from the KSHB piece is (have I mentioned "the lesson" enough?)... expect children to be children.  Don't be bad adults.</p>

<p>In truth, my buddy Mike L., who pointed out the story since I can't stomach local TV news, took it far more negatively than I did.</p>

<p>I took it as really a rather even piece for the MSM - it attacks the complacency of adults and their assumptions about their children, and didn't sneak in a bit about how you should just get rid of your guns, or that politicians should do something about it - they just said... be an adult, and here's why.</p>

<p>What's your take?</p>

<p>*If you are appalled at the picture of that room that opens this post - <strong><a href="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2004/06/navigating_the_collection.html">I invite you to read the Standard Periodic Disclaimers by clicking here</a></strong>.  It really is all legal where I live.  Believe it or not.<br />
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    <title>Comment from Trias on 2008-02-08</title>
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        Nice post.  On that note don&apos;t eat the candy grandpa and granma have near their plate at dinner.  It&apos;s.. theirs.
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    <published>2008-02-08T06:26:55Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from jim b on 2008-02-07</title>
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        jim b saunters in and sits. He gets himself 2 fingers of Scoresby&apos;s and plops down on the couch.
He reads the comments and says.... What kinda idiot would keep an unloaded pistol in a toybox?

I only keep bayonets and live grenades in mine.
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    <published>2008-02-08T03:29:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Yu-Ain Gonnano on 2008-02-07</title>
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        Oh, and by the way.  I just hafta share (this is a gun-ish blog of sorts):

The LG and I just completed the Safety Course needed to obtain our state&apos;s Handgun Carry Permit.

And while I&apos;ve only been to the pistol range twice before, I&apos;ve got to say my groups looked pretty dang good.  From all the targets I could see, only one person shot better than me.

But what really made me proud was the LG, who had never shot a gun before came in 3rd.  If it hadn&apos;t been for two fliers she would have beaten me.

The instructor looked at her, then at me and asked me if I played poker.  I told him I played a little.  He looked straight at me and said &quot;Don&apos;t Cheat&quot;.

Heh!
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-02-07</title>
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        And they won&apos;t let you call your assault rifle a hunting rifle, either.

Even if you actually hunt with it, and it cost more than their digital camera did.
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    <published>2008-02-07T23:01:58Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Yu-Ain Gonnano on 2008-02-07</title>
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        AFSis,
All (or almost all) center-fire rifle ammo can penetrate your standard issue police bullet proof vest and as such is &quot;Armor Piercing&quot;.

It&apos;s just that calling it &quot;The most common deer hunting ammo&quot; doesn&apos;t sound near scary enough.

Just remember, no one is going to take your hunting rifle. Until they start calling it a sniper rifle. 
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2008-02-07</title>
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        Keith said his local news station ran a story last night about a reporter who just &quot;walked right in to a gun shop, bought ammunition... AND LEFT!  No questions asked!&quot;

Granted, the story was on armor-piercing rifle ammo, but the fact is, buying ammo isn&apos;t illegal anywhere.
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    <title>Comment from David M on 2008-02-07</title>
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        Not appalled....just jealous.
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    <published>2008-02-07T19:59:39Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BloodSpite on 2008-02-07</title>
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        <![CDATA[Many years ago in a world far far away my father made take the Hunters Safety Education Course.

At age 6.

Then again at 10.

And 12.

And finally at 15.

Not because I didn't learn, but rather because, at home in Georgia at least, the predominant currciulum of the time for the course was<em> firearm safety.</em>

With that plus his own education to in that regard ("Guns can kill people, they are not toys to be played with, you should not fear them but respect them, and respect the work they can do and provide for you." My father, and I, were avid hunters)

Often he took the time to have me clean them, with his over site, so that I would be familar with them, understand them, knew how to make sure they were unloaded, and they became not a curisoity or something for random examination, but rather a fixture and something I had no reason to bother with at all save for when they were required. namely deer season.

In this, I can say, I felt he did right by me for certain.

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    <title>Comment from Neffi on 2008-02-07</title>
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        Yup. Don&apos;t I recall a test, wherein six kids at a daycare- who had been through the Eddie Eagle program- were each &apos;allowed&apos;to find a (empty) hand gun mixed in with the toys? Followed by six who had not attended the program, each encounter secretly video-ed... IIRC all six of the Eaglets did the right thing, immediately putting the piece down and going to get the &apos;teacher&apos;. All six of the others played with the gun, one boy even putting the gun to the head of a little girl and pulling the trigger.
Educate the kids and secure the firearms. It&apos;s the only sane and responsible thing to do.
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    <published>2008-02-07T17:23:21Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from KCSteve on 2008-02-07</title>
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        <![CDATA[Even safer place to keep the loaded pistol is on your person.

Being out in the country KS law allows you to open carry as you wish.  I <b>think</b> you're ok carrying concealed on your own property with or without a permit but not being a KS resident (or lawyer) I can't say for certain.]]>
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