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  <title>Comments for Obama&apos;s Defense Priorities.</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2008-02-27T14:30:46Z</published>
    <updated>2008-03-25T15:00:50Z</updated>
    <title>Obama&apos;s Defense Priorities.</title>
    <summary>Kat didn&apos;t go far enough in her &quot;Pardon me?&quot; link in today&apos;s H&amp;I Fires. This is the video: This is the part that Scott at Powerline characterized as a &quot;catechism:&quot; I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems... ...I will not weaponize space... ...I will slow development of future combat systems... ...and I will institute a &quot;Defense Priorities Board&quot; to ensure the quadrennial defense review is not used to justify unnecessary spending... ...I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons... ...and to seek that goal, I will not develop nuclear weapons... ...I will seek a global...</summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Kat didn't go far enough in her "Pardon me?" link in today's H&I Fires.  This is the video:</p>

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<p>This is the part that Scott at Powerline characterized as a "catechism:"</p>

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<p>I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems...</p>

<p>...I will not weaponize space...</p>

<p>...I will slow development of future combat systems...</p>

<p>...and I will institute a "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure the quadrennial defense review is not used to justify unnecessary spending...</p>

<p>...I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons...</p>

<p>...and to seek that goal, I will not develop nuclear weapons...</p>

<p>...I will seek a global ban on the development of fissile material...</p>

<p>...and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert...</p>

<p>...and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals... </p>

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<p>The response is rather longish - so I've stuffed it in the Flash Traffic/Extended Entry.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p>One wonders if it's possible for a Democrat to conceive of a "proven" missile defense system, or will the goal posts simply keep moving as they have for Iraq.  Of course, he said cut, not eliminate, so he's left himself wiggle room there.</p>

<p>Not weaponize space.  Okay.  I'm fine with that.  S'long as nobody else does.  Of course, several nations who's interests don't align with ours consider our satellite constellations to already have weaponized space.  Going to take down the comms and recon satellites, Senator?  Those are warfighting enablers that make the American way of war possible.  And therefore, they are legitimate targets of people who wish us harm.  Just thinkin' out loud, sir.</p>

<p>Slowing FCS is already happening.  Welcome to the cart, Senator.  Of course, he probably means "any future system developed for combat," not just FCS proper.  One wonders if that would include the next generation of vehicles designed to better protect soldiers - even in "peace-keeping" missions.  The devil is in them details.  And soundbites do not good policy make.</p>

<p>Heh.  Just what we need, another Board.  Those functions already exist, Senator.  Perhaps a tweak or two, rather than another layer?  S'okay, sir.  You get the job, there will be plenty of people who will brief you up on the stuff you don't know.</p>

<p>A world without nuclear weapons.  Good luck with that.  Nice words, tough genie.  </p>

<p>Here's his issue paper on the subject:</p>

<blockquote>Toward a Nuclear Free World: Obama will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons, and pursue it. Obama will always maintain a strong deterrent as long as nuclear weapons exist. But he will take several steps down the long road toward eliminating nuclear weapons. He will stop the development of new nuclear weapons; work with Russia to take U.S. and Russian ballistic missiles off hair trigger alert; seek dramatic reductions in U.S. and Russian stockpiles of nuclear weapons and material; and set a goal to expand the U.S.-Russian ban on intermediate- range missiles so that the agreement is global. </blockquote>

<p>This is another one of those things that's too complicated for a sound bite.  And these are high-minded words without much substance, since (sanely) he's not proposing to do much unless everybody else agrees to do it.  Good luck, Senator.  Enjoy those briefings.  Mind you - if you can get everybody to load 'em up and dump 'em somewhere, fine with me.  I never liked the things, and you are writing me monthly checks because of 'em.</p>

<p>Global ban on the development of fissile material?  Greenies are going to love that.  Might have some trouble with those nations who *like* nuclear power, though.</p>

<p>Summation:  Lots of high-minded fluff, not much substance.  Such is what we can expect in a sound bite world.  It's so amorphous he can do almost anything, and claim he's met the promise.  Love to see his serious policy papers on the subject, when he gets them done.  Here's his stuff for the military:</p>

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<p>Building a 21st Century Military</p>

<p>The Problem: The excellence of our military is unmatched. But as a result of a misguided war in Iraq, our forces are under pressure as never before. Obama will make the investments we need so that the finest military in the world is best-prepared to meet 21st-century threats.<br />
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<p><em> "The excellence of our military is unmatched."</em>  Can't be true if we've lost the war, sir, and need to come home immediately.  If the latter is the case, then we've been over-matched by a melange of loosely organized militias, terrorists, hostile media and elites, supported by politicians hungry for domestic power, and your plan should suggest some concrete ideas about how we are going to totally re-structure our services in order to be able to succeed in that kind of environment.  Not just tweaks and twiddles.<br />
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<blockquote>Rebuild Trust: Obama will rebuild trust with those who serve by ensuring that soldiers and Marines have sufficient training time before they are sent into battle. </blockquote></p>

<p>More detail, please.</p>

<blockquote>Expand the Military: We have learned from Iraq that our military needs more men and women in uniform to reduce the strain on our active force. Obama will increase the size of ground forces, adding 65,000 soldiers to the Army and 27,000 Marines. </blockquote>

<p>I won't argue this, if we also do some restructuring in organizing for combat.  And peace keeping.  And peace enforcing.  And foreign disaster relief.  And nation building.  And all those other things we like to send soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines, and Guardsmen and Reservists to do...  Or, we rationalize our mission sets, and, dare I say it, take an appetite suppressant on changing the world?  </p>

<blockquote>New Capabilities: Obama will give our troops new equipment, armor, training, and skills like language training. He will also strengthen our civilian capacity, so that our civilian agencies have the critical skills and equipment they need to integrate their efforts with our military.</blockquote>

<p>So, again, that "unmatched military" is really poorly equipped, under-protected, badly trained?  I'm with you on the language skills.  Good luck guessing on which ones we're going to need 10 years from now.  That's true for *whoever* sits in the Oval Office and the E-Ring.  Mind you, I'm all for improvements, but we do have to remember that "Perfect is the enemy of Good Enough" and accept the fact that the bad guy always gets a vote. Therefore, if we're going to stay in the business of killing people and breaking things - the people we're killing and who's stuff we're breaking, are going to try to hurt us back.  And they'll succeed.  Mind you, this group has had less comparative success than about anyone else who's tried, though we just can't seem to get our minds around that concept.  Additionally, trying to make it casualty-free for our side will cost you in other ways.  So many other ways.  Such as making it way too easy to go to war.  But all that stuff is too much for an already long blog post.</p>

<p>Gonna take on the Civil Service!  I'll sign up for that.  Long past time it needed doing.  Go to school on the changes DoD has made in the civil service.  Mind you, I want *all* the candidates to sign on to this one.</p>

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Strengthen Guard and Reserve: Obama will restore the readiness of the National Guard and Reserves. He will permit them adequate time to train and rest between deployments, and provide the National Guard with the equipment they need for foreign and domestic emergencies. He will also give the Guard a seat at the table by making the Chief of the National Guard a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. 
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<p>...thus ineffectively making the National Guard a separate service.  Sort of.  But not really.  I would argue for a rather more far-reaching look at the organization of the DoD from a more holistic perspective.  But that's just me, a retired mid-grade officer, with no experience in the rarefied atmosphere of the Pentagon or White House.  Though I did spend an hour there, once, as a invited guest.  </p>

<p><strong><a href="http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/02/a-surrender-mon.html">Over at Blackfive, Deebow takes a rather more detailed, and harsher, view</a></strong>.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Plesk salla on 2008-02-28</title>
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        No, you&apos;re wrong. She&apos;s quite sane. Just incredibly taken-advantage-of in every way possible, and very decent about it. 

Most women who&apos;d been ardently pursued, then dumped, her formal wedding cancelled, and left financially liable for a home she didn&apos;t own and never lived in -- might have been vitriolic, or spilled the beans, on a radio interview still available on the Internet. But she wasn&apos;t, and she didn&apos;t.

So chill and take a deep breath, nephew dear. 



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    <published>2008-02-29T02:40:20Z</published>
    <updated>2008-02-29T02:40:20Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.8797-comment:70144</id>
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    <title>Comment from fdcol63 on 2008-02-28</title>
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        Quite frankly, Obama scares the heck out of me.

I don&apos;t think it&apos;s a coincidence that the end of Obama&apos;s (likely) presidential term ends in 2012.

The damage will be done, and the butcher&apos;s bill will come due.
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    <published>2008-02-28T15:38:10Z</published>
    <updated>2008-02-28T15:38:10Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Boquisucio on 2008-02-27</title>
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        <![CDATA[As Lindsey Lohan's recent homage to Marilyn Monroe clearly denotes: The Global War on Good Taste <em>(GWOT)</em>, has been won.

The War on Tuggy Feelings <em>(WTF)</em> on the other hand hand, has entered a terrible attrition phase.]]>
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    <published>2008-02-27T20:25:31Z</published>
    <updated>2008-02-27T20:25:31Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from kat-missouri on 2008-02-27</title>
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        Fred.  I agree completely.  Not just Putin, though.  A whole range of folks who are already challenging Bush will probably step up the game.  

Kumbaya world just ain&apos;t going to get it.  I think Obama&apos;s ideas are so idealist they don&apos;t look at the reality that is both the national interest of these other nations (which, like ours, they consider paramount to their continued or improved existence) nor at the real character of these people.  Some of whom are not dictators of terrible tyranny just because the world isn&apos;t ordered in a certain way or because the US did or didn&apos;t do something.  Many of these people are in it for their own power and their own, often twisted, ideologies.

Everyone keeps talking about Obama&apos;s &quot;reaganesque&quot; upbeat speech, but the difference is, Regean was willing to back that up with specific demands and he had a line in the sand when it came to tyrants and evil.  Obama is saying there is no line in the sand and he&apos;s willing to make them legitimate players and equal partners just because they rule a nation.

I keep saying it because I have to: Nuts!
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    <published>2008-02-27T17:37:40Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Fred on 2008-02-27</title>
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        I am reminded of the Kennedy / Khrushchev match for Champion of the World back in the early 60&apos;s. After their first meeting, Khrushchev thought he had the measure of the young contender and started a worldwide effort to smack him around. Khrushchev&apos;s efforts ranged from authorizing the Berlin Wall to putting missiles in Cuba. Well, Kid Kennedy was good - or at least good enough - to stand off Khrushchev.

Now a rematch is being scheduled. If it is to be President Obama vs. Putin then the odds favor Putin. Obama is much less than JFK and Putin is much more than Khrushchev. Bambi vs. Godzilla comes to mind.

You have to live in the sure and certain knowledge that Putin WILL challenge President Obama immediately.
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    <published>2008-02-27T17:23:02Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-02-27</title>
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        <![CDATA[Jason - don't over-read my position on nukes, if you skip the part that says I'm all for dumping 'em.  I know Senator Obama's your guy, so I await your response.

Heh.  I'm thinking we're in violent agreement on most of the 21st military piece... except the bit about "winning the 2003 war."  We won the <em>campaign</em>.  The <em>war</em> continues.  Which is part and parcel of the problem.  It's like saying we "won" the War in North Africa, but are now bogged down in Italy with no plan to go forward.

As for the new Defense Priorities Board - I'm reacting to what's in the piece - create a new board.  Nothing about removing the existing boards.  Lets be honest - as long as DoD is on an annual budget cycle, *nothing* is going to get fixed, and that's before you get to the politics. Create a new board.  Yay.  With what authority?  More importantly, what power? 

A board isn't going to make a bit of difference and is just going to be the illusion of progress.

It's the budget process, and the institutions of the President, SecDef, and "Congress, assembled" where lie the problem.  A new board is going to be window dressing.  
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    <published>2008-02-27T16:52:58Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jason on 2008-02-27</title>
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        Okay expect a counterpoint on this tomorrow. I will only give you a preview to say this: if the DSB and DPB aren&apos;t doing their jobs, and we know the 2006 QDR was a bust, then yes, we do need to fire those committees and charter one that will do the job of getting us out of the Cold War mentality.

Re: 21st cent military, no one (in Obama&apos;s camp) says we&apos;ve lost the war, in fact we won the 2003 war. It&apos;s just that we don&apos;t appear to have a purpose in Iraq now other than to indefinitely sit between warring camps, and if our govt is unwilling to fully commit to the job and just trickle forces into the meatgrinder for the next 10-100 years, then yes, we need a new plan that continues the Army of Excellence.

Re: nukes. IT&apos;S A GOAL, not necessarily a four-year plan. It may surprise you to know that the US govt is a signatory of the NPT, which includes THE GOAL of eliminating all nukes. Doesn&apos;t mean we have to get there tomorrow, but we do have to show good faith in the arms control agreements that the Senate has approved. This administration eschews treaties - got it - but perhaps we could do something crazy like join (and lead) the international community again.
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    <published>2008-02-27T16:40:43Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Maggie on 2008-02-27</title>
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        <![CDATA[Mr. T's Haircut commented at the Phibian's place in response to the video

"<em>This is what happens when you don't score above an 80 on the test over at Lex's blog...."</em>
<strong><a href="http://www.haloscan.com/comments/cdrsalamander/8026802508799669999/" rel="nofollow">MR T's Haircut | 02.27.08 - 2:31 am </a>| # </strong>

Ayup.]]>
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    <published>2008-02-27T16:26:47Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from kat-missouri on 2008-02-27</title>
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        McGovern
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    <published>2008-02-27T15:54:40Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Maggie on 2008-02-27</title>
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        <![CDATA[We have been discussing this over at CDR Salamander's place, but we're kinda still in the <strong><a href="http://www.haloscan.com/comments/cdrsalamander/8026802508799669999/" rel="nofollow">WTF phase</a></strong>.

Part of me wants to say "Everyone needs to see this." After all, it's only 52 seconds long.  However, the problem with that is comprehending it.  Sure <strong>we</strong> get it.  Especially with all the great resources we have here at the Castle.

But what about the majority of America?  The part that would score under 50 on that civics test?  They still get to vote.  The only hope is that they would read your breakdown after viewing the YouTube vid.

I despair.]]>
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