We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2007 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:01:39 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2008 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That's only polite. You're advertising here, we should get an ad at your place... Time to add a new caveat, because from email it's not clear to some folks (mind you, if you don't read this it won't matter...) Being an open post, people (collectively, the Denizens) other than I post in the H&I. They sign their work (most of the time) - keep that in mind when you want... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:46:27 -0600 Yes I saw from the link it seemed to say it was not a glock but was a functional gun. Media making a factual error? It's kinda sad we accept that as normal. News sells emotion not truth, any view of CNN or FOXnews shows that in seconds. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-70026 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-70026 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:16:58 -0600 I have decided that, if I ever have to call 911 to report a bloody hole I have just loudly made in myself, I will call the cause an "Un-intentional Discharge", or UD. This avoids the negligence question. Besides, an accidental discharge is possible, as anyone knows who's handled a Charter Arms revolver. I had the hammer fall on one of those without my finger being on the trigger. A neighbor had the same thing happen with hers. The Four Rules were observed in each case, the pieces actually were not loaded, but I am prejudiced against that brand of revolver. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-70025 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-70025 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:09:37 -0600 Heh. J, you wear your heart on your sleeve... But, pretty much what Kat said. I have seen nothing from the left that suggests we should have fought, or should fight, or that they would fight, this war on a level of intensity approaching that of WWII. I have seen that from the right, but not from the people in power. But the Left will happily criticize any weaknesses in the prosecution of the war from a perspective of the effort put into Total War, ala WWII. That is somewhat disingenous, given that they would not prosecute the war in that fashion. That was simply my point. I am not required to have a Right-bashing point to balance every Left-bashing point. I don't pretend to be balanced. I do try to be fair. Trias - yes, my point was that CNN had the details wrong. It wasn't a comment on the trend. If you've been tracking my "Pretty Gun" posts, you can see I'm not a fan. Your point is certainly valid. But I don't have to make all points in all posts, do I? Gad, they'll get even longer! BTW, J, I was *never* been a fan of invading Iraq, and was *not* happy with the initial planning. Just to keep that straight - and have not been shy about saying so, and I do so here simply because you've chosen to lecture On War (I assume for the broader audience and I hope not because you think I am uninformed on the subject), and no, I'm not going to take the time on a blog to address every possible nuance of the subject. People will quit reading if I do. Besides, it gives you an excuse to show off your reading skillz. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-70022 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-70022 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:44:37 -0600 Tria...I think the point of the that gun post was that 1) It's not a glock and 2) it's fake. But John can clear that up I'm sure. J...Based on the multiple "plans" presented under Democrat senators and pretenders to the presidency, John's statement would be correct. These plans have almost all insisted that the "war on terror" should have been, would have been a "police action" involving very few men and weapons, largely "covert" and would not have involved any overt economic sacrifice from the public. thus, any idea that either a Republican or Democrat president would have engendered the American publics energies any more than it has is highly misleading. Also, interesting that the "cost" of long, slow small wars in dollars is preferable to short, high intensity, many casualty, big wars except, as Clausewitz notes, in the waning of energies and support of the people for the war at all. The problem, of course, stemming from the probable global impact of a very large war wherein every sort of treaty and national self interest of multiple nations becomes paramount and could, indeed, become a "global war" the likes of which we would not prefer to see. Thus, money v. time, money v. casualties, money v. international instability. I'm for spending the money. For now, anyway. Thus, either way, both the Dems and the Republicans would have been on or near the mark. The only issue is that I supported less than WWIV and more than spec ops and Interpol. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-70021 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-70021 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:49:15 -0600 "...because the anti side wants to criticize the war using a standard (total mobilization of the population and economy, ala WWII) that no one, not even them, have suggested we do for this kind of war..." I'm looking at this quote trying to understand exactly what you mean by it. Are you saying that both the Repugs and Dems wanted to fight Iraq on the cheap? Funny, I only remember Prez Bush saying "don't worry about the war, go shopping." Unfortunately, every military expert, from Clausewitz through Gen (ret) Powell, suggests that you go in hard, full bore, with the total effort of the country's assets behind you. A short war is a cheap war. This very expensive war, upwards of $10 billion a month - a MONTH - that has not allowed the successful end of post-conflict operations, clearly shows the failure of such a philosophy. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-70018 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-70018 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:11:12 -0600 this article, about the fate of old Nazi tanks in former battlefields in Bulgaria.]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-70014 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-70014 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:03:48 -0600 I don't like it actually, I keep thinking how kids might react to it. It's in a similar vein as the lighter story from AFSis. While I appreciate responsible gun owners would try to keep them out of kids hands the idea of making guns appear as toys is irresponsible in my view. And that, to me is the core of the US gun debate. Responsibility. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-70012 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-70012 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:25:31 -0600 Dude, I was just about to ask if we could eat that gun, too! I mean, wouldn't that be cool as both a spy gun and a survival tool? Fire and then eat it. Of course, it would have to shoot those chocolate kisses or some skittles, cause I ain't eating any gunpowder taffy http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-69995 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-69995 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:45:05 -0600 Look at the sheen on that Glossy "Glock". Chartruse Body with Candy Apple Red Slide, and Salt Taffy Grips. I bet it shoots real Hersheys' Kisses. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-69992 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2008/02/hi_fires_22_feb_1.html#comment-69992 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:51:15 -0600