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  <title>Comments for AN OPEN LETTER TO ANYONE WHO SERVED IN VIETNAM</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2008-02-28T12:42:07Z</published>
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    <title>AN OPEN LETTER TO ANYONE WHO SERVED IN VIETNAM</title>
    <summary>This is well-intentioned, heartfelt, and, of course, a little late - but better late than never, as I said when I forwarded this to my favorite Vietnam Veteran. His response was not what I expected, though in retrospect, it doesn&apos;t surprise me. Truly the forgotten soldiers of a forgotten war. Here&apos;s what he said: &quot;Its never for most of those who served in an even bloodier and more uncomfortable although shorter war in Korea, who got about the same reception when they came home.&quot; For the record, Colonel - you&apos;re one of my heroes, and always have been. Now to...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>This is well-intentioned, heartfelt, and, of course, a little late - but better late than never, as I said when I forwarded this to my favorite Vietnam Veteran.</p>

<p>His response was not what I expected, though in retrospect, it doesn't surprise me.  Truly the forgotten soldiers of a forgotten war.  Here's what he said:</p>

<p>"<em>Its never for most of those who served in an even bloodier and more uncomfortable although shorter war in Korea, who got about the same reception when they came home.</em>"</p>

<p>For the record, Colonel - you're one of my heroes, and always have been.  </p>

<p>Now to Ms. Weaver's missive.</p>

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<p>Dear Hero,</p>

<p>I was in my twenties during the Vietnam era. I was a single mother and, I'm sad to say, I was probably one of the most self-centered people on the planet. To be perfectly honest…I didn't care one way or the other about the war. All I cared about was me—how I looked, what I wore, and where I was going. I worked and I played. I was never politically involved in anything, but I allowed my opinions to be formed by the media. It happened without my ever being aware. I listened to the protest songs and I watch the six o'clock news and I listened to all the people who were talking. After awhile, I began to repeat their words and, if you were to ask me, I'd have told you I was against the war. It was very popular. Everyone was doing it, and we never saw what it was doing to our men. All we were shown was what they were doing to the people of Vietnam.</p>

<p>My brother joined the Navy and then he was sent to Vietnam. When he came home, I repeated the words to him. It surprised me at how angry he became. I hurt him very deeply and there were years of separation—not only of miles, but also of character. I didn't understand.</p>

<p>In fact, I didn't understand anything until one day I opened my newspaper and saw the anguished face of a Vietnam veteran. The picture was taken at the opening of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C. His countenance revealed the terrible burden of his soul. As I looked at his picture and his tears, I finally understood a tiny portion of what you had given for us and what we had done to you. I understood that I had been manipulated, but I also knew that I had failed to think for myself. It was like waking up out of a nightmare, except that the nightmare was real. I didn't know what to do.</p>

<p>One day about three years ago, I went to a member of the church I attended at that time, because he had served in Vietnam. I asked him if he had been in Vietnam, and he got a look on his face and said, "Yes." Then, I took his hand, looked him square in the face, and said, "Thank you for going." His jaw dropped, he got an amazed look on his face, and then he said, "No one has ever said that to me." He hugged me and I could see that he was about to get tears in his eyes. It gave me an idea, because there is much more that needs to be said. How do we put into words…all the regret of so many years? I don't know, but when I have an opportunity, I take…so here goes.</p>

<p>Have you been to Vietnam? If so, I have something I want to say to you—Thank you for going! Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Please forgive me for my insensitivity. I don't know how I could have been so blind, but I was. When I woke up, you were wounded and the damage was done, and I don't know how to fix it. I will never stop regretting my actions, and I will never let it happen again.</p>

<p>Please understand that I am speaking for the general public also. We know we blew it and we don't know how to make it up to you. We wish we had been there for you when you came home from Vietnam because you were a hero and you deserved better. Inside of you there is a pain that will never completely go away…and you know what? It's inside of us, too; because when we let you down, we hurt ourselves, too. We all know it…and we suffer guilt and we don't know what to do…so we cheer for our troops and write letters to "any soldier" and we hang out the yellow ribbons and fly the flag and we love America. We love you too, even if it doesn't feel like it to you. I know in my heart that, when we cheer wildly for our troops, part of the reason is trying to make up for Vietnam. And while it may work for us, it does nothing for you. We failed you. You didn't fail us, but we failed you and we lost our only chance to be grateful to you at the time when you needed and deserved it. We have disgraced ourselves and brought shame to our country. We did it and we need your forgiveness. Please say you will forgive us and please take your rightful place as heroes of our country. We have learned a terribly painful lesson at your expense and we don't know how to fix it.</p>

<p>From the heart,</p>

<p> <br />
Julie Weaver</p>

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    <title>Comment from Cricket on 2008-02-29</title>
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        Being self centered wasn&apos;t her crime.  I think we are all a bit selfish.  Being influenced was.  Her reasons for being against the war were the politically correct ones being parroted in the media.  Not a major deal...not like Jane Fonda or John Kerry.  Around here, she is still referred to as Hanoi Jane.  John Kerry
got his comeuppance.

While I grew up in a military family and have a different perspective than she did, she articulated very well the mindset of a selfish generation who thought war was evil because it interrupted their lives.  And it cost her the relationship she had with her brother.

It takes courage to admit mistakes and why they were made and to try and be  better.  I don&apos;t think absolution is what she is after, but reconciliation and to never let it happen again.


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    <title>Comment from John Cunningham on 2008-02-29</title>
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        kat-missouri, I hope no one thought anyone&apos;s show of emotion was anything like a slapping.  I for one thought it very thoughtful on her part and I appreciate what she said.  I can only speak for myself, but, I think other&apos;s will agree, when Vietnam is brought up it gets the juices going and what she said wasn&apos;t deserving of a  &quot;thank you very much&quot;.  Some see today as somewhat of a deja vu all over again and want to hope since those up to their same old crap don&apos;t get away with it.
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    <title>Comment from kat-missouri on 2008-02-29</title>
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        Well, it seems this lady reached across the pages and the time and got her hand slapped off.




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    <title>Comment from Cannoneer No. 4 on 2008-02-28</title>
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        <![CDATA[Julie sounds like a sweet lady and I don't mean to be cruel to her but I question her standing to
speak for the general public. Most of them <em>don't</em> admit they blew it, few of them are worried about making it up to the Vietnam vets, and none of them have anything close to the pain the betrayed carry.  

The general population does <em>not</em> feel the guilt Julie feels.  The general population is incapable of shame, no longer remembers honor, hasn't learned their lesson, and doesn't really care about fixing it.

And they are going to betray the current generation of defenders.



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    <title>Comment from John Cunningham on 2008-02-28</title>
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        It was democrat driven.  Then they were committed to getting in the way of containing communism whenever and wherever we could.  We had been out of the country for two years when they were finally able to put their two year threat to cut funding into effect.  They succeeded in 75.  During that two years the communists went over to Laos and Cambodia and reconstituted along the Ho Chi Minh thruway.  The way you fix it is to not let the democrats do it again.
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    <title>Comment from Grumpy on 2008-02-28</title>
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        John, as I read this letter from Ms Weaver, I see many things. The issues she raises is very important to the Viet Nam Vets, as well as today&apos;s vets. She has the courage to face her failures. What about the rest of us? I am a service connected disabled vet from that era. This woman&apos;s letter was a personal letter, not a political one. THE FAILURE IN VIET NAM WAS CAUSED BY BOTH PARTIES! The real problem was their REFUSAL to work TOGETHER!

Grumpy
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-02-28</title>
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        I had a nice email exchange with Ms. Weaver, when I asked for permission to post the letter.
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    <title>Comment from R Jewell on 2008-02-28</title>
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        This particular letter was written by a woman from Shelbyville, Indiana, to a member of American Legion Victory Post # 70 in Shelbyville. I know those folks.

It was first published (to my knowledge) last fall in Indiana&apos;s American Legion &quot;Hoosier Legionnaire&quot; by our Assistant Department Adjutant.  I figured it would find its way onto the internet at some point.

Requests for replies were made in that article, but none have, to date, been published.  I&apos;ve tried several times to compose a reply to give to Ms Weaver in person, but come up short each time.

Her last line is the one that stops me every time I try.....

&quot;we don&apos;t know how to fix it&quot; she says

There is no fix, Ms Weaver, no easy solution to absolve those of you who blew it of your &apos;sins&quot;

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        I saw The Wall for the first time last March.  It was about six months after I had read this

hnn.us/articles/31400.html

Over the years I had suspicions something had gone wrong but wasn&apos;t able to put it all together.  When I saw The Wall I thought I would get all weepy, but I didn&apos;t.  As I went along the sidewalk and as it goes below street level and The Wall gets bigger and bigger I found myself getting angrier and angrier.   When we left Vietnam we left them with a reasonable facsimile of a democracy and reasonably trained military.  The democrat controlled Congress cut beans and bullets money and also fixed it so that we couldn&apos;t use our Air Force to give them air cover to knock out the tanks that the north used when they launched their chinese communist financed blitzkreig.  They flushed down the toilet the efforts of 58,000 dead GIs.  They stabbed them in the back.  Basically South Vietnam ran out of ammunition and the democrats wouldn&apos;t spring for a few bucks to buy some more.  Today they&apos;re trying to do the same thing by trying to stab those serving in Iraq in the back right to their faces.  One would get the impression that they were in bed with the communists back then and it looks as though they&apos;re in bed with the islamofacists today.

At least that&apos;s the impression I get.
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