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  <updated>2008-09-23T17:01:36Z</updated>
  <title>Comments for A busy Saturday.</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2008-02-24T16:28:17Z</published>
    <updated>2008-03-16T18:42:22Z</updated>
    <title>A busy Saturday.</title>
    <summary>First up was a planning meeting for the next Rotary year (starts in July) with the new board and incoming President, that shot the bolt for the morning. Good meeting, in that &quot;all volunteer&quot; board kind of way. The afternoon, well, that was time for a little putting the Demesne to the purpose *I* had in mind when we bought it last summer - a place to exercise the Arsenal of Argghhh! I tootled over the creek to put up the target stand about 100ft away. I brought out the L1A1 (Brit parts kit built on an Israeli-made inch-pattern reciever),...</summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p>First up was a planning meeting for the next Rotary year (starts in July) with the new board and incoming President, that shot the bolt for the morning.  Good meeting, in that "all volunteer" board kind of way.</p>

<p>The afternoon, well, that was time for a little putting the Demesne to the purpose *I* had in mind when we bought it last summer - a place to exercise the Arsenal of Argghhh!</p>

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<p>I tootled over the creek to put up the target stand about 100ft away.  I brought out <strong><a href="http://www.fototime.com/923BF8214823C1E/orig.jpg">the L1A1 (Brit parts kit built on an Israeli-made inch-pattern reciever), the M1A (which sits in beater wood and currently has the grenade launcher on it, since that's how I display it), </a></strong>and <strong><a href="http://www.fototime.com/35836813269B993/orig.jpg">the O.R.C. (Bushmaster Optics Ready Carbine, an M4 clone</a></strong>, which SWWBO got for Christmas, but has yet to pull a trigger... no reason to let it sit idle, besides the scope needed some tuning to the rifle).  For some fun plinking at the spinners, I brought out <strong><a href="http://www.fototime.com/B3EB7996F1CFE9E/orig.jpg">the Arsenal's wartime-capture P38 and the Castle's Luger, a pistol which served the Imperial, Weimar, Nazi, and East German governments.</a></strong></p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/D1D3E7F549FB506/orig.jpg" border=0 alt="L1A1 at 100ft, irons sights, standing, supported.  This rifle, or this rifle and the ammunition I was shooting, has.. 'issues'."></p>

<p>First up was the L1A1.  I knew it was going to shoot low, the front sight post was extremely high, and I was right it shot low and to the right.  More disturbingly, out of six rounds, at least three bullets tumbled, as you can see in this pic. I quit firing at that point. Milsurp weapons are always a crap shoot, and some, shoot crappy.  I was using remanufactured ammunition, too - but it was the same ammo I was shooting in the M1A, however.  I'm going to have to slug the bore and do some tweaking on the L1A1.  Anyone with similar experience is invited to share their collected wisdom on the subject.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/F03ED3CCCD6E92A/orig.jpg" border=0 alt="M1A group at 100ft, standing supported iron sights.  The flyer lower center is from a different rifle."></p>

<p>Since the center of the target was still available, I used it for the M1A.  Shooting standing, supported, iron sights.  Have I mentioned I *like* the M1A?  If I were going to go shoot in the competition in Colorado in May, this would be the rifle I would take.  Nine rounds, no flyers.  The one in the lower right is one of the flyers from the L1A1.  The M1A and I are tuned together.</p>

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<img src="http://www.fototime.com/0E6FA0EB6B81C04/orig.jpg" border=0 alt="Bushmaster ORC, an M4 clone.  I was aiming at the center of the cutout.  100 ft, standing, supported, with 2 power scope.  1st group is to the right.  Adjusted the scope, the next group.  Adjusted again, the 3 shot small group where I wanted it, if by then I was getting a little impatient with the trigger..."></p>

<p>This is from the Bushmaster ORC.  I was aiming at the center of the cutout in the picture.  100 ft, standing, supported, with 2 power scope.  1st group is to the right.  I adjusted the scope, yielding the center group.  Adjusted again, and the 3 shot small group went where I wanted it, if by then I was getting a little impatient with my trigger pull.  The 25 degree temp may have had something to do with it, too.</p>

<p>The pistols were just for plinking.  I've not shot the P38 since I bought it.  If it didn't shoot any better for it's previous owner than it did for me... I understand why it got captured.  The Luger shot just fine, as it always does.</p>

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    <title>Comment from Gun Trash on 2008-02-25</title>
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        The point you made about milsurps being a crap shoot is true more often than not.  And unless it&apos;s totally shot out with no lands, I defy the non-gunsmith to look down a barrel and accurately declare its condition.  

And like you posted, even a gunsmith would want to slug it before offering a professional opinion. 

A non-professsional stab at it here... could a bad crown cause that?       
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    <published>2008-02-25T21:42:56Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-02-25</title>
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        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        The quick answer, CB, is whatever the standard twist for the L1A1 (inch pattern FAL) is, and... since I&apos;m not at home and I can&apos;t remember the details on the ammo, I&apos;ll check tonight.
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    <published>2008-02-25T16:54:41Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Cowboy Blob on 2008-02-25</title>
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        What bullet weight ammo and what barrel twist in the L1A1?
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    <published>2008-02-25T16:43:04Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-02-25</title>
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        Heh.  I got the L1A1 because it was Brit and fit in the collection as a combat-used gun, this particular one, mebbe too much time on the range or at Goose Green.

Not that I have any provenance to suggest this particular weapon is one that made the trip to the Falklands.

I swear, with that M1A, the rifle improves the shooter.
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    <published>2008-02-25T15:58:02Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Gun Trash on 2008-02-25</title>
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        <![CDATA[I was in <a href="http://www.aimsurplus.com/" rel="nofollow"> AIM Surplus</a> some years back  with $400 in my pocket to spend. I passed on a Century L1A1 and chose a CETME instead.  The main selling point was that the price of it left me enough cash to buy a case of 7.62 NATO also, 80s South African surplus, if I remember right.   

The CETME is a fine shooter, but I always wondered if I shouldn't have bought the FN instead. Now, seeing those tumblers from your's makes me feel a little better about that choice I made 6 or 7 years ago.  :-)

BTW, that's some darned fine shooting with that M1A!]]>
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    <published>2008-02-25T15:01:35Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from emdfl on 2008-02-25</title>
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        Take your FNFAL over to www.falfiles.com and ask your questions.  The folks there will probably be able to diagnose the problem on the L1A1.
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    <published>2008-02-25T11:03:40Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-02-24</title>
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        Nope.  Just a DWM 1918 and imperial proofs.
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    <published>2008-02-25T03:40:06Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Neffi on 2008-02-24</title>
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        Any Imperial unit markings on that there P08?
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    <published>2008-02-24T18:08:38Z</published>
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