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  <title>Comments for H&amp;I Fires* 6 JAN 2008</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2008-01-07T05:59:17Z</published>
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    <title>H&amp;I Fires* 6 JAN 2008</title>
    <summary>Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That&apos;s only polite. You&apos;re advertising here, we should get an ad at your place... Time to add a new caveat, because from email it&apos;s not clear to some folks (mind you, if you don&apos;t read this it won&apos;t matter...) Being an open post, people (collectively, the Denizens) other than I post in the H&amp;I. They sign their work (most of the time) - keep that in mind when you want...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p><em>Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That's only polite.</p>

<p>You're advertising here, we should get an ad at your place...</p>

<p>Time to add a new caveat, because from email it's not clear to some folks (mind you, if you don't read this it won't matter...) Being an open post, people (collectively, the Denizens) other than I post in the H&I. They sign their work (most of the time) - keep that in mind when you want to flame someone in email please - if it doesn't say "The Armorer" or "John" then I didn't write it! And honestly - if you don't like something said or posted... leave a comment, and hash it out (within the context of The Rulez which are clearly posted on the comment form, I would add).</em></p>

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<p>Here's a gem from <strong><a href="http://www.townhall.com/columnists/GeorgeWill/2008/01/06/the_tearing_of_the_conservative_fusion">George Will today:</a></strong></p>

<blockquote>Although Huckabee and Edwards profess to loathe and vow to change Washington's culture, each would aggravate its toxicity. Each overflows with and wallows in the pugnacity of the self-righteous who discern contemptible motives behind all disagreements with them, and who therefore think opponents are enemies and differences are unsplittable. </blockquote>

<p>Sound like any of our trolls?  Well, actually, I have two in mind, the not-much-missed Nunya from last election cycle, and the not terribly informative but amazingly preachy Cliff.</p>

<p>While I've not endorsed (nor yet decided, unlike SWWBO, who's a Thompson fan) I do know who I don't like of the current crop of candidates.   And Messr's Huckabee and Edwards are in that group.  And I tire, mightily, of the class-war rhetoric.</p>

<p>Moving along - <strong><a href="http://www.strategypage.com">Jim Dunnigan over at Strategy Page</a></strong> has this interesting bit of flex and adapt... that probably ought to find it's way to the borders in large numbers.</p>

<blockquote>
PROCUREMENT: More Towers of Power for Iraq

<p><br />
January 6, 2008: The U.S. Army has bought nine additional Eagle Eye surveillance tower systems for  Iraq, at a cost of $556,000 each. This is a security system of day/night cameras, laser range  finder and designator, all  mounted on a truck mounted tower, which has evolved in the last four  years.  This system has gotten more mobile, and seen its tower grow taller. The current Eagle Eye  tower is 107 feet tall, allowing the cameras to spot vehicles up to 25 kilometers away. Great for  keeping an eye on thinly populated areas in a desert, which western Iraq has plenty of. The earlier 30  foot tower can see out to eleven kilometers, the 60 foot tower out to 16 kilometers and 84 foot  tower out to 20 kilometers. The 30 foot tower was adequate for most situations, which usually  involved guarding a base, but the taller tower also serves as a communications relay for widely  dispersed troops. The towers can be easily taken apart or erected by troops. When temporary bases are set  up, an Eagle Eye tower provides the equivalent of a permanent UAV presence, which, just by being  there, tends to discourage attacks, or any misbehavior in the vicinity of the base.</p>

<p>Eagle Eye is part of the RAID system. Four years ago, the U.S. Army sent 22 blimps aerostats,<br />
 actually) to Iraq and Afghanistan. These RAID (Rapid Aerostat Initial Deployment) blimps float at  about a thousand feet up, tethered by a cable that provides power and communications to the day and  night cameras up there. The big problem is ground fire from rifles and machine-guns. Iraqis, in  particular, like using the RAID blimps as targets. Rifle fire won’t destroy the blimps, but does  cause them to be brought down more frequently for repairs. Normally, the blimps can stay up for 30  days at a time, but the bullet hole repairs have some of them coming down every few days. There are  surveillance systems similar to RAID, but mounted on tall steel towers. These also suffer gunfire  damage, but rarely any that damage the equipment. It was soon found that tower mounted cameras were  just as good as the aerostats, in most situation, and much cheaper.<br />
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<p>-the Armorer</p>

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      <![CDATA[<p>*A term of art from the artillery. Harassment and Interdiction Fires.</p>

<p>Back in the day, when you could just kill people and break things without a note from a lawyer, they were pre-planned, but to the enemy, random, fires at known gathering points, road junctions, Main Supply Routes, assembly areas, etc - to keep the bad guy nervous that the world around him might start exploding at any minute.</p>

<p>*Not really relevant to today's operating environment, right? But, it *is*</p>

<p>The UAVs (oops, can't call 'em UAVs anymore - they're now Unmanned Aerial Systems... some Colonel got his Legion of Merit for that change...), er, um UAS's we fly over Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for targets of opportunity are a form of H&I fires, if you really want to parse it finely. We just have better sensors and fire control now.</p>

<p>I call the post that because it's random things posted by me and people I've given posting privileges to. It's also an open trackback, so if someone has a post they're proud of, but it really isn't either Castle kind of stuff, or topical to a particular post, I've basically given blanket permission to use that post for that purpose. Another term of art that might be appropriate is "Free Fire Zone."</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-01-07</title>
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        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        Well, of course, John.  Canada has always had kewler stuff longer than the US military.  Our only good ideas are the ones we steal.

But we&apos;ve got better PR, so we get the credit.

And, being &apos;Murican, we started out with something similar, and then built it bigger and more expensive.

So there!
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    <published>2008-01-07T21:51:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from J.M. Heinrichs on 2008-01-07</title>
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        We&apos;ve had them since 1992 or so, called &quot;Coyote&quot;.

Cheers
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    <published>2008-01-07T21:42:08Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2008-01-07</title>
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        There is nothing new under the Sun.  I saw on the Web, a while ago, an image of British troops using a portable observation tower in the Boer War, I think.

Or maybe even in (gasp) Mesopotamia!

Heck, for all I remember, I saw it here, or consequent to a link from here!
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    <published>2008-01-07T06:50:30Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2008-01-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[<em>RPG or VBIED magnet</em>

An RPG gunner would have to be both quick and *good* to nail one and a suicider wouldn't have a whole lot of luck getting close to one -- from what I know about the towers, they're placed in secure sites, not just plunked down, set up and left to fend for themselves. ]]>
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    <published>2008-01-07T05:16:09Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Rivrdog on 2008-01-06</title>
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        I haven&apos;t seen these obs. towers in deployment videos, but my experience with mil comm vehicles is that such tall towers are a pain to erect, and NOT erected quickly (you have to attach and secure guy wires).

Summation: RPG or VBIED magnet, and their small numbers in the field makes them VERY attractive targets to run an ambush against.
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    <title>Comment from Maggie on 2008-01-06</title>
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        What can we say Fuzzy....the Armorer is fiesty!
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    <published>2008-01-06T17:55:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from fdcol63 on 2008-01-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[<em>" ... unlike SWWBO, who's a Thompson fan ..."</em>

Just another reason I like Beth.  LOL]]>
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    <published>2008-01-06T17:25:36Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from FbL on 2008-01-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[<i>the not terribly informative but amazingly preachy Cliff</i>

What are you doing?  Trying to call him out?  <i>Shhhh....</i>  ]]>
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        <![CDATA[I am still trying to contact the guy in this link on your archive...I think you tried to make contact fopr me in the past...please try again with my web address where he can write to me.
Please find 
An Old Army Medic in the below post for me to write to.
Scott
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