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  <title>Comments for Fighters or C-130&apos;s?</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <published>2008-01-07T15:07:14Z</published>
    <updated>2008-02-06T14:19:37Z</updated>
    <title>Fighters or C-130&apos;s?</title>
    <summary>John, Dusty; This was sent from an aspiring young man who wanted to become a pilot ... a fighter pilot. The response was hilarious and would probably apply to some airline jobs ... especially a few freight dog jobs that see misfit pilots flying all over the world. Anyway, read and enjoy. Mike Sir: I am D. J. Baker and I would appreciate it if you could tell me what it takes to be an F-16 fighter pilot in the USAF. What classes should I take in high school to help the career I want to take later in life?...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>John, Dusty;<br />
 <br />
This was sent from an aspiring young man who wanted to become a pilot ... a fighter pilot. The response was hilarious and would probably apply to some airline jobs ... especially a few freight dog jobs that see misfit pilots flying all over the world. Anyway, read and enjoy.<br />
Mike</p>

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<blockquote><br />
Sir:</p>

<p>I am D. J. Baker and I would appreciate it if you could tell me what it takes to be an F-16 fighter pilot in the USAF.  What classes should I take in high school to help the career I want to take later in life? What could I do to get into the Air Force Academy?</p>

<p>Sincerely,</p>

<p>DJ Baker<br />
*********************************************</p>

<p>From: Van Wickler, Kenneth,  Lt  Col , HQ AETC</p>

<p>Anybody in our outfit want to help this poor kid from Cyberspace?</p>

<p>LTC Wickler<br />
**********************************************</p>

<p>A worldly and jaded C 130 pilot, Major Hunter Mills, rises to the task of answering the young man's letter.<br />
**********************************************</p>

<p>Dear DJ,</p>

<p>Obviously, through no fault of your own, your young, impressionable brain has been poisoned by the superfluous, hyped-up, "Top Gun" media portrayal of fighter pilots.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, this portrayal could not be further from the truth. In my experience, I've found most fighter pilots pompous, backstabbing, momma's boys with inferiority complexes, as well as being extremely over-rated aeronautically. However, rather than dash your budding dreams of becoming a USAF pilot, I offer the following alternative:</p>

<p>What you really want to aspire to is the exciting, challenging and rewarding world of TACTICAL AIRLIFT. And this, young DJ, means one thing, the venerable workhorse, the C-130! I can guarantee no fighter pilot can brag that he has led a 12-ship formation down a valley at 300 feet above the ground, with the navigator leading the way and trying to interpret an alternate route to the drop zone, avoiding pop-up threats, and coordinating with AWACS, all while eating a box lunch with the engineer in the back relieving himself and the loadmaster puking in his trash can!</p>

<p>I tell you DJ, TAC Airlift is where it's at! Where else is it legal to throw tanks, HUMV's, and other crap out the back of an airplane, and not even worry about it when the chute doesn't open and it torpedoes the General's staff car! Nowhere else can you land on a 3000 foot dirt strip, kick a bunch of ammo and stuff out on the ramp without stopping, then takeoff again before range control can call to tell you that you've landed on the wrong LZ! And talk about exotic travel; when C-130s go somewhere, they GO somewhere (usually for 3 months, unfortunately). This gives you the opportunity to immerse yourself in the local culture long enough to give the locals a bad taste in their mouths regarding the USAF and Americans in<br />
general, not something those C-141 Stratolifter pilots can do from their airport hotel rooms!</p>

<p>As far as recommendations for your course of study, I offer these:</p>

<p>1. Take a lot of math courses. You'll need all the advanced math skills you can muster to enable you to calculate per diem rates around the world, and when trying to split up the crew's bar tab so that the co-pilot really believes he owes 85% of the whole thing and the navigator believes he owes the other 20%.</p>

<p>2. Health sciences are important, too. You will need a thorough knowledge of biology to make those educated guesses of how much longer you can drink beer before the tremendous case of the G.I.'s catches up to you from that meal you ate at the place that had the really good belly dancers in some God-forsaken foreign country whose name you can't even pronounce.</p>

<p>3. Social studies are also beneficial. It is important for a good TAC Airlifter to have the cultural knowledge to be able to ascertain the exact location of the nearest topless bar in any country in the world, then be able to convince the local authorities to release the loadmaster after he offends every sensibility of the local religion and culture.</p>

<p>4. A foreign language is helpful but no t required. You will never be able to pronounce the names of the NAVAIDs in  France , and it's much easier to ignore them and to go where you want to anyway. As a rule of thumb: waiters and bellhops in  France are always called " Pierre ", in  Spain it's "Hey, Pedro" and in  Italy , of course, it's "Mario". These terms of address also serve in other countries interchangeably, depending on the level of suaveness of the addressee.</p>

<p>5. A study of geography is paramount. You will need to know the basic location of all the places you've been when you get back from your TDY and are ready to stick those little pins in that huge world map you've got taped to your living room wall, right next to the giant wooden giraffe statue and beer stein collection.</p>

<p>Well, DJ, I hope this little note inspires you. And by the way, forget about the Academy thing. All TAC Airlifters know that there are waaay too few women and too little alcohol there to provide a well-balanced education. A nice, big state college or the  Naval  Academy would be a much better choice.</p>

<p>Hunter Mills,<br />
Major USAF<br />
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    <title>Comment from Mike Daley on 2008-01-08</title>
    <author>
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        Gotta love ya all.
This was sent to me by my best bud, a retired AA Captain who spent his last decade with them on great &quot;new shit&quot; stuff even tho&apos; had no degrees from anybody.  Proving capabilities over-rule formalities.
Said friend is now earning $1,000 a day for flying used planes from one point to another.
We mutually have many buds who have done things from flying Alaskan pipeline missions in the 70&apos;s, Alaskan Salmon runs and Electra Cargo flites in 70&apos;s Zaire (ever eat monkey knuckles?).
Only one fighter pilot, F-100&apos;s in &apos;Nam, and he became an AA Captain/Chief Pilot.
Cargo rules!
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    <published>2008-01-09T04:24:56Z</published>
    <updated>2008-01-09T04:24:56Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.8574-comment:68382</id>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2008-01-08</title>
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        <name>BillT</name>
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        <![CDATA[<em>Boy, I got all the pilots in a tizzy.</em>

All *one* of 'em? Dusty was the only pilot who showed, and I'd say he was more snitted than tizzied.
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    <published>2008-01-08T23:16:29Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.8574-comment:68364</id>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2008-01-08</title>
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        Heehee heee hee.... 
Boy, I got all the pilots in a tizzy.
Thing is, you can&apos;t look at being a &quot;somewhat pompous&quot; pilot or &quot;bit of a bully&quot; cop as a bad thing.  It seriously does take a bit of attitude to take on either job.
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    <published>2008-01-08T17:25:18Z</published>
    <updated>2008-01-08T17:25:18Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2008-01-07</title>
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        Dammit Chief, I&apos;m serious! I do damn betcha Herc formation aerobatics would be fun to watch, in both gigglicious and other ways.

I know I couldn&apos;t keep a straight face, watching something like that. 

(while still appreciating the skill displayed, of course)
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    <published>2008-01-08T02:40:53Z</published>
    <updated>2008-01-08T02:40:53Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.8574-comment:68348</id>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2008-01-07</title>
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        ...and the Herky-birdies look just too-utterly-too in those pink tutus, too...
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    <published>2008-01-08T02:07:14Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Bad Cat Robot on 2008-01-07</title>
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        <![CDATA[I love <strong><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kujWSIFoe94" rel="nofollow">hippopotamus ballet</a></strong> ...]]>
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    <published>2008-01-08T01:30:31Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2008-01-07</title>
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        Oh, that reminds me: In a book about the Hercules I read years ago, there was mention of an aerobatic team of C-130s, called &quot;The Four Horsemen.&quot;  They did airshows and such.  It strikes me that one of those could pull some respectable multiple of g, when empty.  I&apos;d love to see film of one of their shows. Like hippopotamus ballet, or something.
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    <published>2008-01-07T22:39:23Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2008-01-07</title>
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        I&apos;m sure that The Armorer is a very sweet, sensitive, and artistic bully.

No, really, there are actually some people who need their asses kicked, just to get their attention.  As I&apos;ve often said, the problem is not police brutality, but police stupidity.  That is, I don&apos;t want Officer Safety to mistake me for one of those people and draw the taser, when just frowning at me and talking loudly would work just fine.
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    <published>2008-01-07T22:19:04Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from J.M. Heinrichs on 2008-01-07</title>
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        <![CDATA[<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7t0q2_TmiQ" rel="nofollow">Hercules gently flies bye.</a>

Cheers]]>
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    <published>2008-01-07T21:17:35Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2008://1.8574-comment:68334</id>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2008-01-07</title>
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        &quot;Dad, when I grow up, I wanna be a fighter pilot!&quot;

&quot;Make up your mind, son -- you can&apos;t do both.&quot;

Heh. Even a *rock* will fly if ya can get it going 170 knots... 
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    <published>2008-01-07T20:37:46Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-01-07</title>
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        Snerk!  The Instapilot turns it into an Info-Op for fighter pilots!
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    <published>2008-01-07T20:16:46Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2008-01-07</title>
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        <![CDATA[<em>Of course, I haven't met too many pilots- fighter pilots or not- who weren't somewhat pompous.</em>

Makes me proud to be an aviator, rather than a mere pilot. 

And, no, Sis hasn't met me. Yet...]]>
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    <published>2008-01-07T20:13:05Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Instapilot on 2008-01-07</title>
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        After reading this thing, I get the impression that the writer mirrors the attitudes and attributes he denigrates. 

I&apos;d laugh if it was funny, but this guy just sounds like a buffoon. The LAPES vignette was particularly telling: &quot;We&apos;re f**kups and proud of it.&quot; Alrighty then.

Come to think of it, this may have been ghost-written by a fighter guy who isn&apos;t particularly impressed with Herc drivers. Hmmmm...
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    <published>2008-01-07T19:37:43Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-01-07</title>
    <author>
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        I am *not* a bully, and you better not call me one, or I&apos;ll... I&apos;ll... oh.  Never mind.
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    <published>2008-01-07T18:34:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2008-01-07</title>
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        <![CDATA[<em>Hey! I was a cop, once!</em>

And your point is.....???

For what it's worth, my Granddaddy was the Chief of Police in a small town, and 1SG Keith did a stint as a cop too.



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    <title>Comment from Oldloadr on 2008-01-07</title>
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        Well, I&apos;ve known (and still know) a lot of fighter jocks and I must say that most do live down to the aforementioned stereotype.  However, when it comes to the troops charged with caring, feeding and arming their high-tech metal steeds, they are usually very generous with their beer, so we learned to ignore the personality flaws...er. quirks.
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    <published>2008-01-07T17:25:16Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2008-01-07</title>
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        Hey!  I was a cop, once!
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    <published>2008-01-07T16:42:10Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2008-01-07</title>
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        <![CDATA[<em>I've found most fighter pilots pompous, backstabbing, momma's boys with inferiority complexes, as well as being extremely over-rated aeronautically.</em>

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAA... 
Of course, I haven't met too many pilots- fighter pilots or not- who weren't somewhat pompous.  Got to be in order to take on that job.  Kinda like being a cop and not being somewhat of a bully.]]>
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