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Essential Liberties, Temporary Security: Citizen, Incriminate Thyself

[Kat]

I wrote Friday that I had an interesting conversation with my younger brother. He is quite on the other end of the political sphere from me. I won't elaborate beyond that, but it does tend towards some interesting "discussions".

Thursday night we were watching a program about new tools and technology used or possible to be used in law enforcement. Most were interesting such as the mini-EMF pulse that could disable a fleeing car. Not a knew concept exactly, but it's being improved. Another tool was a letter recognition system that would scan license plates, recognize letters and numbers and then compare it to an electronic list of license plates of interest (stolen cars). Sacramento police are already using this tool to great effect and now have a 93% recovery rate for stolen vehicles.

I have some thoughts on that technology, but I'll let it pass in order to move directly to the issue that raised the discussion. GPS capsules inserted into people previously convicted of a felony, particularly violent felony, after they are released from prison. We are not talking about people who are still on probation or paroled, though that presents a question that has already been answered to a degree by the use of GPS tracking ankle bracelets. I'll agree to stipulate that this is in lieu of actual incarceration to serve the time sentenced and is an option that offender can agree on to avoid imprisonment.

This question revolves around those convicted, sentenced and, having served their entire sentence, are released into public life again. Not paroled or on probation, but, essentially, free citizens once again. This would include people convicted of murder, manslaughter, assault and rape among other lesser or otherwise so called "white collar" crimes.

My brother believes that the answer is "yes" they should be implanted with GPS. His point revolves around the fact that there is high recidivism within our prisons of those previously convicted. He believes that this tracking device could act to prevent felons from committing additional crimes if they know that they can be placed at or in the vicinity of a crime. He also believes that, if a crime is committed, the information can be accessed to determine if any of the known felons were in the vicinity to assist in an arrest and conviction.

In fact, he premises that the presence of a GPS implanted felon at the site of a crime would imply guilt even in the absence of physical evidence such as a weapon, finger prints, DNA or other physical evidence or eye witnesses. At least, enough that charges could be brought and prosecution proceed to trial.

My answer to the GPS in felons question is not only "no", but emphatically "NO".

My rebuttal in flash traffic.

I have several problems with this idea. Let me begin by acknowledging that convicted felons, by law, already lose certain rights including the right to vote, the right to bear arms and access to various benefits provided by the government. In society, those convicted of a felony are not protected against discrimination. They can be denied a job, housing, private insurance, credit and various other basics most of us take for granted on the sole basis of their existing felony conviction. In some cases, such as known sex offenders, they are required to register on lists with local police departments that are open to the public and have been used by other citizens to monitor, and sometimes persecute, any living in the neighborhood.

Both legally and socially, society has already placed a severe post detention burden on felons. In some cases, it comes dangerously close to violating the clause in Article I of the Constitution prohibiting "bills of attainder". This is barely circumvented by not having the state or national government strip the felon of all his rights, but provides open information in background checks or "offender lists" that allows society itself to inflict "attainder" without judicial or legislative action that would violate the constitution.

One of the points of our justice system and of our nation was the idea that criminals would be tried with due process and, if convicted, sentenced to serve time or pay fines commensurate with the crime. Once that sentence was completed, the citizen was supposed to be considered to have "paid their debt to society". From my limited understanding, having recognized that a large portion of convicted criminals are repeat offenders, we are attempting to balance out the security of society and improving law enforcement efforts with staying within our constitutional limitations.

We have placed the burden on the private citizenry to guard themselves, their property, their employees and others. Employers who knowingly hire a convicted felon who later commits a crime against other employees, could be held liable and sued for not providing a safe work environment. Property insurance can be denied to the employer, can cost more and payments even denied for stolen or damaged property. These are but a few of the burdens we place on other citizens to avoid contact or in anyway enabling criminals.

It certainly seems that society has decided that crime is much more harmful than even mandatory sentencing implies. At the same time, we are loath to violate the principle of the 8th Amendment "cruel and unusual punishment" (that phrase in relation to certain punishments, such as the death penalty, remains in question as well as extremely long sentences for certain "lesser" crimes). We look for ways to balance those ideas. We see such technology as a way to accomplish this balance. The question must remain whether we stay true to the principles of liberty or whether we fall prey to the tendencies of long established and powerful governments that seek immediate relief to current problems with acts we once claimed as oppressive and tyrannical when it was turned against ordinary citizens for "crimes against the crown".

From this perspective, the insertion of a GPS tracker for released felons that have served their time, ordered by the state or national government, seems to directly violate the constitutional enjoinder against "bills of attainder", "tainting" the felon for life for a crime that supposedly has already been prosecuted and paid for. It may also violate the 5th Amendment which prohibits "double jeopardy" or second prosecution of the same crime. That is without even discussing the question of redemption, arguably a mid 19th century extension or invention of society, crime and punishment.

My second issue revolves around the invasion of privacy (amendment iv). Understanding that even convicted felons still have most of their rights when they are released, the idea that government can order the implantation of a device into a person's body, seems a direct violation. A woman has the right to privacy and to choose how to control her body, including abortions, which the government cannot outlaw (Roe v. Wade) on that premise, but convicted felons lose that right and protection against the state's invasion? Because they are ex-felons?

Then there is the question of whether the state should be tracking the day to day, minute by minute position, condition or activities of ANY citizen. Keeping in mind we're not talking about parolees or probationers, but free citizens who have completed their entire sentence. (9th, 10th and 14th Amendments)

Third issue revolves around the title of this post and the fifth amendment:

nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;

At its very core, the idea that a free citizen would be implanted with a GPS tracker by order of the state that would know at any time where they were and record that information, seems to explicitly violate the fifth amendment prohibition against self incrimination. No one, ex-convict nor average Joe never been arrested citizen, can be forced to do so in any method other than their own informed decision or their own ignorance.

Further, due process of the law requires the state to PROVE guilt, not the charged to PROVE innocence. That is often forgotten in the rush to lend more capabilities to fighting off crime in society. It requires more than the mere presence of any person, even an ex-con, at the scene of a crime. It requires physical evidence and/or credible eye witnesses to give "testimony" against the accused with an equal right to confront the accuser and test the evidence.

While technology such as video from cameras, GPS signals from phones and many other items have been used to convict people of crimes, they are passive and often require a warrant to obtain information if they belong to the charged person, avoiding unwarranted "search and seizures". GPS implants can hardly be qualified as "passive" if it is constantly and actively being recorded and reviewed against known crimes. For the purpose of narrowing suspects when it may lead to wrongful prosecution of an innocent person and the ability of the guilty to go free. It would be extremely foolish to believe that this tool would not result in investigations that focus in the wrong direction or are purposefully misled. It occurs today, even without the advent of GPS trackers.

My final rejection is based on the admonishments of our founders and framers to be careful of giving powers to the state that diminishes the rights of a minority group based on the passions or demands of a majority. Even for our so called "security". Once that has occurred, the extension of that power over other individuals or groups will begin and can even extend to portions of "the majority". I cannot state often enough that, even in a representative democracy, the constitutional guarantees can be undermined by a majority. Its purposes subverted allegedly "for the good of society", its powers used for nefarious means by groups or individuals in power and its powers, once "discovered", extended as far as the government can, over the entire nation if possible, even against resistance of the citizens.

First we say that sex offenders must register on a list so the police and citizens know who they are. Then, in California, they propose making people convicted of DUIs buy a red (scarlet) license plate plainly stating DUI conviction even if they had already paid fines, lost privileges and spent time in jail. Now we discuss implanting GPS trackers in released felons. Just in case. In the name of security, how many people will we feel the need to encode or mark to feel secure? Everyone?

Does anyone actually read the Declaration, the Constitution, the Federalist Papers or even American Literature like The Scarlet Letter? There are very specific reasons why we reject persecution even on behalf of those who have violated the morals and legal tenets of society. That is to protect the rights of every citizen.

Let me repeat that: to protect the rights of EVERY citizen. When we talk about the extension of power by the government, it's not necessary that the government suddenly be taken over by an evil cabal bent on totalitarian rule. Nor any group to have "nefarious plans". In a Representative Democracy, rights are more likely to disappear through the slow incremental demands of society itself.

In the last 230 years, "we the people" have expected the government to do more and provide more for our citizens. To do so, we have expanded the scope and power of government. Almost always "for the good of society". Whether that is health care for the poor and elderly, assistance for the poor or for security against crime and even war. With each step, with each power, government intrusions and restrictions grow.

This does not always end with positive results. Often, we are required to work twice as hard, if not tirelessly, to beat back unnecessary violations of privacy and rights due to unintended consequences. Or, even the purposeful seeking of legal language to justify that extension of powers in order to perform the functions that the government and its agencies believe they have been mandated to do by "the people".

Its our responsibility to safe guard our freedom from both the unintended consequences as well as the purposeful extensions, whether for nefarious means or "the good of society". If we can protect freedom and rights for the least of us, for the worst of us, then we will be able to safe guard it for the best. To that end, we must consider every extension of power, every law cautiously and with the admonishment to safe guard our rights, our essential liberties, as paramount to our existence. Even to the point of giving liberty more weight in the balance of justice's scale.

Of course, we cannot abdicate our responsibilities to insure the safety of innocent citizens against the depredations of predators, real evil or the general vices of their fellow citizens. We must balance that safety out with the needs of justice, the protection of rights in a free nation, the demands of society for vengeance and our pocket books. Yes, because in this whole equation, we are not only talking about giving up rights for physical security, but because we want to inflict longer sentences and do not want to pay for it out of our pockets.

Equally, we should not forget that the most powerful tool that society has against crime and vice is society's rejection. When we accept crime and vice as the norm, when we provide crime and criminals excuses based on some other failing of society, out of some confused concept of compassion, out of fear or simply out of complacency, we give it legitimacy.

If we feel that a crime is so offensive, the criminal and the crime irredeemable, then we should sentence the offender accordingly and not play fast and loose with rights that belong to everyone. We should be prepared to pay for our security out of our pockets and leave our rights alone.

It's cheaper in the long run.

21 Comments

No - Although it's tempting on that "ends justifies the means" level. Although we are talking about a very small portion of the criminal population - "This question revolves around those convicted, sentenced and, having served their entire sentence..." Who serves their *full* sentence anymore?
 
Monitoring those who are on probation/parole/community supervision (the euphemism for parole in WA state) is one thing - they are still serving their sentence, and the monitoring can, and should, IMO, be part of the condition of their 'release.' A good case can also be made for those criminals required to keep the state informed of their residence, place of work, etc, after release from incarceration, as part of their sentence, such as sex predators. This is especially true in states such as WA, which allow them to register as 'homeless.' In all other cases, NO F*CKING WAY. And I say that as someone who loathes criminals, advocates the return of corporal punishment (30 days in country might not bother the 'bangers, but I'd bet 100 lashes might), as well as "3 strikes and you're dead" (violent felonies only), and death sentences for forcible child rape.
 
Actually, I'm against sex offender lists, too, unless, again it is a stipulation of parole or probation to let the monitor know where they are. I think that sexual assault and other crimes are pretty offensive and that these deserve longer sentences, if not life sentences for particular crimes and, most specifically, second offenses. I think their damage to society is enough to warrant such actions. I believe that "lists" are a way to achieve a round about continuous punishment that violates amendments as I set forth in this discussion. If the crime is so horrendous and the criminal unredeemable, then we should sentence in that way. I think the existence of government "lists" of any citizen has some terrible connotations. Why don't we just burn a scarlet "S" into their foreheads? If you read the Bureau of Justice's reports, almost half of all re-offenders are actually in the middle of some other criminal indictment, parole or probation. Which must be why people suggested the GPS tracking system. But, which is why I recommend longer sentences instead.
 
Who serves their *full* sentence anymore?
Well, I noted the BoJ's statistics that half of the prison recidivism is in those who are most often still on probation or parole, there is the other half that does serve their full sentence or completes the conditions of their parole or probation and are never seen again in the criminal system (whether that's because they never re-offend or we never catch them again is a question). The 50% issue nearly convinces to restrict parole and probation to a much narrower group. But, that gets back to our pocket books. We would have to pay for their longer or more often imprisonment. What I don't think we have a good handle on for comparison is the cost out of our pocket for prisons v. the cost, both real and human, of crime. If we have any inkling, then I suggest that society has decided it is either something we can bear or, because we think it is the "other" persons that bear that cost, we are willing to take that chance. Redemption and rehabilitation becomes a victim of these equations, too. Meaning we stand a real chance of not giving that chance to others who ARE redeemable.
 
Kat, in a perfect world, I would have no problem with your thoughts. But, we don't live in a perfect world. Our forefathers, when they wrote of freedom, were they talking of limitless freedom or responsible freedom? When we are given a choice of right and wrong, our choice includes benefits and consequences. Please, don't forget we had the freedom to choose. If you have a chance to talk with a JAG, ask him about the "5th Ammendment and the Military Courts Martial." While you are talking with this JAG, you know the Military swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution even to the point of losing their own lives. Each individual Soldier, Sailor, Marine, Coast Guardmen and Airmen takes this same oath. Ask your JAG, how are the Military protected by that very same Constitution in a Courts Martial? I figure our politicians should be put under the same law as our Military. By the way, If our Congress write and pass a law, they should be the first ones to obey it, NO EXCEPTIONS AND NO EXCUSES, NONE! This is the mark of a Leader.
 
Well, our forefathers thought that hanging for stealing was perfectly acceptable. I don't necessarily subscribe to those ideas and recognize that society has grown "enlightened" to the causes, but may have become a little to reliant on blaming the causes instead of the people. I fully believe in responsibility belonging to individuals who allegedly have the ability to reason and rationalize. Do the Crime, do the time. I think that our tendency to make even criminals victims of something or someone other than themselves leads those contemplating criminal acts to rationalize away their responsibility. For instance, how frequently is the defense that someone has no other choice but to join a gang or commit a crime because of their location or social setting or some other supposed mitigating factor? We have reduced morality to the expediency of a moment. In fact, made many acts amoral in our quest for "compassion". Our forefathers had fairly definitive ideas on personal responsibility. I believe this was an imperative that kept social order in a fairly free wheeling society that had little constabulary. On that same vein, I don't see their world as "perfect" nor expect ours to be, but we have tried a multitude of convoluted programs from policing to rehabilitation that seems to have little effect in reducing the quantity of crimes or the percentage of citizens committing them. Instead, they appear to grow incrementally. I think there is a perfectly good case, both in dealing with crime on the social level as well as with punishment AND protecting liberties, for looking at those things that worked in each case for our founders. Of course, keeping in mind that our population is 300 times theirs and our urban populations well above that. It just seems clear when society looks askance at crime and the reduction of freedom, we neither get security or protect our liberty.
 
Kat, your reply to my comment at 3:39, you make some interesting points. But first, when I use the concepts of our forefathers, it is differnt in this way. Most people have this almost "velvet covered brick" concept. I see Our Constitution differently, it is more like a document, that does not change, but our understanding of it grows with time. You talk about the people being responsible for their actions, when they have the ability to reason or rationalize. Question, What do we do when people either can not or refuse to reason or rationalize? How do we determine the facts? Is this not what we are doing with our leaders? But as time goes on, this is an issue which we must face. Crime is not the only issue. It is one of many. GPS is not even contemplated to be brought into the same building as the table. An example, On this website "John, The Armorer" has done really neat thing. He took GWoT, drew a line through it and put in, "whatever." I really think it should be the Global War on Tyranny. Grumpy
 
Kat, your reply to my comment at 3:39, you make some interesting points. But first, when I use the concepts of our forefathers, it is differnt in this way. Most people have this almost "velvet covered brick" concept. I see Our Constitution differently, it is more like a document, that does not change, but our understanding of it grows with time. You talk about the people being responsible for their actions, when they have the ability to reason or rationalize. Question, What do we do when people either can not or refuse to reason or rationalize? How do we determine the facts? Is this not what we are doing with our leaders? But as time goes on, this is an issue which we must face. Crime is not the only issue. It is one of many. GPS is not even contemplated to be brought into the same building as the table. An example, On this website "John, The Armorer" has done really neat thing. He took GWoT, drew a line through it and put in, "whatever." I really think it should be the Global War on Tyranny. Grumpy
 
Pretty good, Ma'am, but I have one quibble: How can a sphere have an end? One of Fritz Zwicky's favorite insults was to call someone a spherical bastard, as in "He's a bastard any way you look at him." I have, in the past, applied the term "spherical bastard" to Monica Lewinski's ex-boyfriend who is the "husband" of somebody who is trying to bully everyone into electing her President.
 
I've now RTWT, and concur on the corporal punishment. For something like simple larceny, restitution with interest and 30 licks on the courthouse steps at high noon should clean the slate. Putting people in jail is expensive and doesn't help anybody, except that it might keep the more crazy-dangerous folks whom we're not willing to execute, off of the streets. Oh, and if nobody'll go for that, I'll say that all domestic-violence laws should be replaced with the one Delaware had, within my living memory. Delaware was the last state to abolish the whipping post, and reserved it for wife-beaters. My settled opinion, after many years, is that a taste of one's own medicine is always the best punishmen
 
The foundations are already in place Since 2005, the state of Florida has required those convicted of sex crimes (against children 11 and younger) to wear a GPS bracelet for life. Some other US states have similar legislation. I don't know if there are any statistics to show that this has done anything to reduce re-offending. IMHO, a compulsory tracker might (emphasis on "might") be justifiable for a period of probation or court-ordered rehabilitation. But... if the only justification for GPS tracking is that these individuals "might" re-offend, then it is not justifiable. You might as well track everybody
   
Matt, I recall reading an SF novel (one of Sterling's, maybe?) in which one of the characters captured somebody with one of those ankle bracelets, then smashed every bone in the guy's ankle and foot to get it off him, for plot purposes in the novel which I don't now remember. Some thieves have already cut off somebody's finger, out in Malaya, maybe, to steal his Mercedes which had a fingerprint-recognizing door lock. Oh, and how long does a ripped-out eyeball stay fresh enough to pass an iris scanner? We're sowing the wind with this stuff, folk
 
s. (in honor of the last-character truncation bug here) .
 
Yes. I will say that I told my brother, if this came to pass, what would happen would be an underground (criminal) enterprise for the detection and removal or destruction of these trackers. As I said to him, people will simply figure out a way to go around it as they will with any technological attempts at "security". We're most secure when society puts a laser beam eye on crime and firmly rejects it without pandering to excuses. I have taken to paying attention to judges who are using rather creative punishments for criminals. Such as the recent case where a judge sentenced a man to 24 hours on a park bench in the cold for stealing from a Salvation Army collection pot. Expressly for the purpose of letting him experience the "poor and homeless" that he stole from. Or the young women another judge sentenced to stand outside with placards proclaiming they were thieves. I think judges are getting tired of seeing the same people in front of them and recognize that a little public pillorying for non-violent crimes just might do the trick. Humiliation has a way of driving the point home. As far as sex offenders who have molested children, I think that deserves a life sentence since studies show a high percentage of re-offense. I don't think those people are ever "cured" and I think that the damage they do results in life time damage to the victims. I think the criminals should suffer the same as life time residence of our penal system. By the way, JTG, where did I write "sphere"? I must be tired because I don't see it.
 
You talk about the people being responsible for their actions, when they have the ability to reason or rationalize. Question, What do we do when people either can not or refuse to reason or rationalize? How do we determine the facts?
Obviously we have processes for identifying people who are incapable of reasoning. We demand proof of mense rea and those who are incompetent are dealt with in another manner such as institutionalization. Those who "refuse" to use reason are, in fact, reasoning and rationalizing. they are responsible for their crimes and should be punished as such. I'm not sure where you were going with the "war on tyranny" though I think it would a post onto itself.
 
Kat, you wrote it in the very first line of the post, "other end of the political sphere..." 'sokay, it gave me an opportunity. Bill really is a bastard in the official legal sense, and in the moral, and slangish senses of the word. Bill Clinton is a spherical bastard, and Hillary is lighter than a duck. Burn her! There, I've said it!
 
hah...okay, you got me. I am tired. My brother is actually all over the board in terms of politics accept to say he hates republicans because he thinks they are only out for the rich and corporations. In fact, when I used to make a goodly amount of income (for a single woman), he would sneer "republican" as an epitaph whenever we happened to discuss politics or anything else I refused to agree with him about. At the same time, he thinks the government is too intrusive, spends too much money and that criminals should have the book thrown at them while also believing that the government should help the poor, elderly and children more. He's like some weird socialist libertarian. LOL
 
P.s. I was, of course, speaking ironically and metaphorically and hyperbolically in what I wrote just above. I would not contemplate, nor encourage anyone else to contemplate, setting fire to someone who is running for the Presidency of the USA. Now, as to throwing a bucket of water upon her...
 
Kat, seems like the guy's heart is in the right place, he just needs to read more and think more.
 
That'll be the day. He thinks he knows everything now and frequently tells me so. My other brother is much more inclined towards libertarian/Republican. We tend to agree much more than we don't. I call him the "sane brother". LOL
 
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