We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2010 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/12/pearl_harbor_a.html Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:33:12 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2010 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification Before. During - the beginning During - the End. After. The USS Missouri, moored astern of the USS Arizona. The Instrument of Surrender of the Empire of Japan was signed on the deck of the Missouri USS Missouri, moored astern of the USS Arizona. The Instrument of Surrender of the Empire of Japan was signed on the deck of the Missouri.">... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/12/pearl_harbor_a.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/12/pearl_harbor_a.html Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:09:43 -0600 A better question Grumpy would be what did THEY learn from Pearl. Not much if Sept11 is anything to go by. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/12/pearl_harbor_a.html#comment-67395 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/12/pearl_harbor_a.html#comment-67395 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:03:07 -0600 Missouri wasn't one of them. ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/12/pearl_harbor_a.html#comment-67393 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/12/pearl_harbor_a.html#comment-67393 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:27:16 -0600 John, I wonder sometimes, what have we learned from Pearl Harbor? We start with the history of war, based on the this history, we develop principles of war. Based on these very same principles, we develop the methods of war. Based on these methods of war, we develop weapons of war. Now interlaced through this whole process we also have the laws of warfare. These laws of warfare are both national and international. We are bound to them by LAW! If for any reason we break them the nation's citizens pay the consequences. Many say do not forget Pearl Harbor. My question is this- What have we learned from Pearl Harbor on the principles of war level? Do we still apply them? NOTE: Do I really expect an answer? No, but I do visit the question from time to time. I like the idea of a place in my mind that I have a crock pot where I just let questions slow cook. This is the crock pot of my mind. This is just a question for that very same crock pot in your mind. This is a way to give value to those tragic losses of that "Day of Infamy" in today's world. Respectfully, Grumpy http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/12/pearl_harbor_a.html#comment-67381 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/12/pearl_harbor_a.html#comment-67381 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:11:30 -0600 I would say that after the advent of the carrier group, their days were significantly numbered as "ships of the line" that would engage other ships directly. True even today. For all we know, modern missiles have rendered the carrier useless beyond a throw away "first strike" before the missiles fly. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/12/pearl_harbor_a.html#comment-67374 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/12/pearl_harbor_a.html#comment-67374 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:05:54 -0600 Arizona spent most of WW1 as a training and patrol ship, never fired her guns in anger, had a relatively quiet life between the wars and then died on December seventh. Missouri sailed with Fast Carrier Force Pacific Fleet and used her guns against numerous land targets, then did the same in Korea, Vietnam, and finally the 1991 Gulf War. But neither ship ever fired on, or was fired on by, enemy warships. ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/12/pearl_harbor_a.html#comment-67371 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/12/pearl_harbor_a.html#comment-67371 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:40:57 -0600