We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2010 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:32:11 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2012 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification I've received a complaint that there has been too much toothsome chewy faux-intellectual discourse (or maudlin self-pity) 'round here of late, so here's a Whatzis for you today. You may begin.... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:07:53 -0600 Trias - you have to remember this collector's quirks. He prefers items that are *used* not pristine. He's in it for the history, the connection to the people who used the artifacts for their intended purpose - not to have something that came off final assembly, was put in a crate, stored for 50 years, then sold off as surplus. Nope. He wants stuff that crossed the beach, climbed the mountain, hunkered in bunkers, etc. So beat up is preferable to unmarred. Cheaper, too, which doesn't hurt. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66255 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66255 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:52:59 -0600 Thanks!! I really, truly, without reservation, and with absolutely no attempt to lessen, ameliorate, or in any other way express any form, basis, or expression of sarcasm, doubt or smirminess want to truly and sincerely, thank your very much (read A Fish Called Wanda) for your support in this!!! Once again, without any coercion or implied force, thanks very, very much. Regards Rod (multiple grins) http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66246 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66246 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:39:22 -0600 Rod - Yes. No. Possibly, but not really likely, and again, possible, but not really likely. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66245 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66245 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:31:06 -0600 I think this boomstick end is much smaller than supposed. It's just a closeup. That looks dirty and while I have no doubt big boomsticks get dirty like any other that is not the place i'd expect to find it. Now this photo looks kinda modern and no self respecting collector would sully their toys or their reps with dirt would they? So perhaps this boomstick is more modern? Perhaps even in use? The other thing is the rounding seems so smooth, did ww2 era really have that? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66244 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66244 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:30:32 -0600 Snorkal without the ball http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66239 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66239 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:07:16 -0600 Hmmm, could be a big whistle, I suppose. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66237 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66237 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:00:41 -0600 Ok, if I understand it right, it's not what we think, but it is a muzzle brake. Uhh, don't we have rules about going DeSade all over the place? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66236 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66236 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:58:51 -0600 with your trivia.]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66235 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66235 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:29:34 -0600 Ah, AFSis - you're suffering from failure to follow the thread. The Whatzis isn't naval - the link I provided to OFS is of a naval system with a muzzle brake. JTG - it's not? You sure about that? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66231 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66231 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:19:18 -0600 "It's naval" Well, in THAT case.. must be the flux capacitor for an aircraft carrier. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66225 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66225 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 22:07:21 -0600 It's not radially symmetrical. Flash suppressor/compensator. Or a new weird variation on the Hilsch Vortex Tube. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66222 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66222 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:55:16 -0600 OK, so bigger or smaller? The "Whatzis" for goodness sake! Sheesh. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66220 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66220 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:50:40 -0600 it's German, but it's naval, and there's a muzzle brake there... ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66214 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66214 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:14:05 -0600 HFS - The hints refer to issues of scale. You're falling into the "this is eight inches" trap that we males have used for millenia to keep you gurls out of math, the sciences, and engineering in school. 8^ ) Sky color - the muzzle brake isn't painted. It's natural metal, with a matte finish. That *itself* is a major hint. *I'm* having fun anyway! HFS - I'm shamelessly shilling for the traffic tomorrow... ;^) http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66213 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66213 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:05:32 -0600 Muzzle brake, wha for? Naval gunner never needed a muzzle brake. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66212 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66212 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:55:22 -0600 What if we're not blessed with patience? What if we can't wait until tomorrow??? Dangit, man. Help a girl out, would you?? I don't think it's a muzzle brake of any kind (based on the cursory research I've done over the past few hours) because of the wear and such on the tip of it. All of the pictures I've seen don't show that kind of wear and tear on them. And, as Ernie says, the locations of daylight in the picture don't make sense. After that, I'm stuck. And your "hints" (or lack thereof) aren't penetrating my thick skull either. I don't deal well with frustration either. Can you tell?? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66209 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66209 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:32:23 -0600 I can see we're going to need some help. New pic tomorrow. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66201 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66201 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:02:24 -0600 Thanks for the video link, 'Phibian. We *did* blog about it when they pulled the lanyard. We also blogged it when the USAF delivered the guns to Afstan. But I don't think we've had the video. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66187 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66187 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:48:21 -0600 PnZ2000 in AFG - first time Dutch arty guys have fired a shot in anger since the 1950s-and the first use of the PnZ2000 in combat. Good write up in Janes if you have access to such. Still wish they worked out the salt-water problem and kept that gun on ship. Sniffle.]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66186 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66186 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:42:50 -0600 If that's a muzzle brake, then somebody's been standing that gun on its nose. Besides which, there's daylight behind the thing, down in the corner, where the rest of the barrel should be. I don't have a clue what it is, but I'm pretty sure what it's not. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66166 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66166 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 10:59:50 -0600 OK, I'm off to "bathe". "soak" in that thought for a while. heh. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66165 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66165 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 10:50:04 -0600 *phew* You said: "You all are falling for the trap that crucifies girls and math." But what I initially read was "You all are falling for the trap that crucifies GIRTH and math." I personally prefer girth and geometry when it comes to girls and boys. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66161 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66161 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 10:15:42 -0600 Heh. Bathing takes care of that stickiness, AFSis. Gee, I wonder why no one thinks it's the cage to a cross-wind sensor or something. Hmmmmm. Context matters, pesky thing. You all are falling for the trap that crucifies girls and math. Something about why they don't do math and measurements well. Or not. I'm not giving out hints or clues or anything. Nope. Not me. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66157 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66157 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 09:58:43 -0600 Yep. I'm with Dusty- end of a BIG gun. HEY! Us Zoomies have to stick together, you know. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66154 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66154 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 09:33:35 -0600 The active element of the M32A1 combat potato peeler... MC http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66152 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66152 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 09:09:35 -0600 That is the muzzle brake for a self propelled 152mm or 155mm Howitzer It is not a M109 series though http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66150 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66150 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:51:58 -0600 Muzzle Break from self propelled Arty 155mm http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66149 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66149 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:41:42 -0600 Hmmm.... Yes a muzzle brake, even I can tell that much. Yes a land-based gun, probably a mobile one on an armored vehicle, a tank or tank destroyer. But a Panzer IV? I agree that it's most likely German, but it doesn't look quite right for the Panzer IV. It looks closer to the Panzer VI (Tiger II). Still doesn't seem exactly right, but that's the closest match I can find. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66148 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66148 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:39:18 -0600 I've been looking at the muzzle break in the WIkipedia pics for the Panzer IV, and that doesn't look like the same thing. The outside of this one is very straight, while the P-IV is flared near the base. Dusty - I was all set to make a remark just like yours, then I got sucked into trying to find the right match. ;-) Phooey ... I'm going to bed now! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66140 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66140 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:50:17 -0600 Heh. Things are getting outta sequence here. Snerk. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66144 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66144 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:25:12 -0600 Hey, I wasn't *objecting* to the other stuff; sometimes I actually like a serious moping-and-brooding political piece, and please don't cease, to remind us about people who die for us, it's just nice to have something lighthearted from time to time, which engages the intellect in a fun way. And, yep, that's a purty pitcher of a purty muzzle brake, but I have no idea what piece it's attached to. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66142 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66142 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:14:10 -0600 Heh. Whattaya all doon up this late? Waiting to see if the MS patch for daylight savings works? [it did] http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66141 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66141 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:12:30 -0600 Fur sur, a WWII german muzzle brake. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66139 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66139 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:08:23 -0600 Panzer IV muzzle brake. Darn pilots. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66138 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66138 Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:53:19 -0600 It's the end of a gun. Probably an Army gun. Big one, too. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66137 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/okay_lets_have.html#comment-66137 Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:44:54 -0600