We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2010 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:34:46 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2012 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification [Denizen Commentary - Kat] Part II: Children Ask the Darnedest Questions - Why Did the Pilgrims Come To America? At first glance of the title, most people are thinking, "Kat, you still haven't told us how this is connected." Well, I'm getting there. Be sure to read the first part: Thanks Giving In a Kindergarten Class. The night of the feast, my niece came home with all her goodies from school. She was showing off her Indian headband, her "T" Turkey and her little book about the First Thanks Giving. Which she promptly demanded that I read to her. Like... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:27:16 -0600 John ~ want some M&Ms to go with the popcorn? Whoppers? Milk Duds? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66931 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66931 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:49:13 -0600 St Brennan Cheers http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66930 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66930 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:39:46 -0600 John...you're such a voyeur. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66918 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66918 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:25:12 -0600 [reaches for some soda to wash down the popcorn] http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66917 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66917 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:19:15 -0600 You're harshing my mellow man. 1) This is a "short" history showing connections between revolutionary ideas in history to our own revolutionary past that results in modern thanks giving celebration. Pardon if I skip a few moments. 2) Columbus period scholars may have deduced the roundness of the earth, but it wasn't accepted by everyone in the scholarly community nor in the sailing/exploration community and definitely not down at the common sailor level. During his voyage here, he had to stave off at least two mutinies on his way here since some of his own was thinking he was crazy 3) Scholarly supposition does not take the place of experience. How many successful voyages to the "west indies" were there prior to Signori Colombus' expedition? Did Magellan find the horn of South of America before that? Balboa the Pacific? Cortez? I rest my case. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66916 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66916 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:17:13 -0600 Ah, this just makes her stuff better. Bellisles wouldn't have embarassed himself so thoroughly had he done a little peer review with someone other than fellow-travelers... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66915 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66915 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:08:13 -0600 Uh, hate to be more of a 'you got this wrong' crowd guy, but you got something wrong, Kat. By the time of Columbus scholars knew the world wasn't flat. I know that's not how the teach it in many places, but it's true. They knew the world was round. They measured it in radians, at least those who read the Greek works liberated by the Reconquista did. Yeah, I know, nit-picky. (1000x, I will not snark Kat 'cause she's got both metaphorical and actual claws, and they hurts.) http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66914 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66914 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:47:08 -0600 His father, thorvold, went to iceland after being exiled for revolt. I've fixed it in the story. thanks http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66902 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66902 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:30:17 -0600 Oh..thanks. But, I believe that he went to Ice Land because he tried to over throw the viking king, yes? And, I suppose, I should not conflate Iceland with the "new world" but I did since it was a jumping off point http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66900 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66900 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:13:36 -0600 Kat, Eric the Red was an Icelander. Iceland was a democracy, so he couldn't overthrow the King. He colonized Greenland (which can be seen from Iceland on a clear day) and then later, his son Leif discovered North America. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66898 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/11/connections_tha_1.html#comment-66898 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:00:53 -0600