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  <title>Comments for Blogworld Expo</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2007-11-09T18:29:08Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-15T15:22:24Z</updated>
    <title>Blogworld Expo</title>
    <summary>I&apos;m sitting in the &quot;Right vs Left: Who&apos;s Winning the Battle of the Blogosphere?&quot; which is, interestingly, not well attended. Many of the people here at the Expo are in the &quot;How to do it, and how to make money at it&quot; sessions. Good for them. I&apos;m looking over Markos Moulitsa&apos;s shoulder as he is either live-blogging things, or, more likely, answering email. He&apos;s also reading, reading, reading... Hugh Hewitt just asked Markos about what the Progressive side of the &apos;sphere was doing to grow their own bloggers... and Markos said, &quot;We&apos;ve got something working - but I&apos;m not going...</summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p>I'm sitting in the "Right vs Left: Who's Winning the Battle of the Blogosphere?" which is, interestingly, not well attended.  Many of the people here at the Expo are in the "How to do it, and how to make money at it" sessions.  Good for them.</p>

<p>I'm looking <strong><a href="http://www.fototime.com/62B44E70B1FFED2/orig.jpg">over Markos Moulitsa's shoulder</a></strong> as he is either live-blogging things, or, more likely, answering email.  He's also reading, reading, reading...</p>

<p>Hugh Hewitt just asked Markos about what the Progressive side of the 'sphere was doing to grow their own bloggers... and Markos said, "We've got something working - but I'm not going to tell <em>you</em> what it is... " which is a fair enough answer.</p>

<p>I even stood next to Markos last night as he was hanging with his posse at the party at the Hard Rock last night - and I didn't feel any urge to spontaneously combust...</p>

<p>We managed to mix last night with no fireworks.  This isn't to say we *truly* mixed, like any large group we were clustered in friendly clan-septs, but there was nobody out trying to provoke, proselytize, or pander to anyone, either.  We were all just crashing the open bar, gnoshing on the prime rib, the exotic potato dishes (hey, Peruvian Purple mashed potatoes topped with carmelized onions with apple-smoked bacon stuck in it...  or the new potatoes with caviar.  *That* was an acquired taste, and I'm not managed to find it.  Did I mention the chocolate fountain?</p>

<p>The political panels have been pretty good, too, with people mostly managing to stay on topic and not get into politics.  It's really been a civil gathering, with people just here to have a convention, network, catch up on tech, and catch up with friends.</p>

<p>The military panels have been excellent - and while also sparsely attended - are at least as well attended as the political sessions.  Again - most of the people here seem to be interested in the tech stuff.</p>

<p>I've been asked to do some name-dropping.  Okay.  People I've met, renewed acquaintances, swapped stories and cards with...</p>

<p>Matty O'Blackfive, Uncle Jimbo, Hugh Hewitt, LaShawn Barber, Markos Moulitsas (okay, I met him, we didn't chat - hey, the only thing we have in common aside from we love our children is that we were both artillerymen), Jerome Armstrong, Rachelle Jones, Andi Hurley, Carla Lois, Ward Carroll, Tim Boggs, Thomas Nichols, Chuck Ziegenfuss, John Hinderaker, Dean Barnett, Mary Ham, Ravi Singh, Steven Schippert, Michael Medved just to name a few, and I'll drop other names later....  Gina I mentioned yesterday...</p>

<p>For me, this was worth the expense of getting here (I booked *late* because I wasn't sure I could here at all...) and I plan to come again next year.</p>

<p>Update:  Interesting, Hugh just asked the panel if they thought that bloggers would find themselves in appointed political positions after the next election?</p>

<p>Most of the panel doesn't think so.  Hugh brought up the possiblity that one reason why there won't be many is that many young bloggers have written with such passion, and sometimes lack of judgement, that they'll be anathema for appointed positions - and several panelists brought up that it might not be what they wrote, but what others wrote... both in terms honest comments/writings, and "black ops" commenting designed to get the blogger in hot water.</p>

<p>Update:  Politics finally showed up with Markos joining in from the floor.  The subject that triggered it- Iraq.  We're no longer on the topic of the impact and effect of the left and right blogs, but... simply politics.</p>

<p>The Progressives posited that the only definition of success in Iraq is - troops home.  No other definition is possible. </p>

<p>I asked the question of Afghanistan, how did that fit into that frame - and I clearly wasn't clear - no one answered my question on the substance, and took it instead as an accusation of isolationism on the part of Democrats.  </p>

<p>I just wanted them to state a position in re the war on terror, vice the Iraq campaign in the war.  But the political filters were to strong for me to get through.  Heh.</p>

<p>Jeralyn Merrit did state that if someone attacks us, we should fight back.  But she doesn't believe in preventative war, regime change, much less societal change.  As she see's it - there's more than enough societal change she wants to effect in the US that we don't need to be spending that effort elsewhere.</p>

<p>Joe Sudbay said something interesting - the Progressive bloggers see themselves, just as we on the Conservative side do - a conduit *around* the MSM and a way to get stories out that the MSM won't carry.  And they have the same problem interacting with their side of political power structure as we do.  </p>

<p>Interesting indeed.</p>

<p>Updating again, this time with more name-dropping.  Lessee, NZBear, some guy named Instapundit (okay, I simply basked in his passing glow, he was talking to some very serious looking woman and it didn't look like a good time to play groupie), Steve Eggleston, Ano Kohnsen, Sarah Walters, Jill Army...</p>

<p>...and last, but not least, I really do know Kos' last name is Zuniga, but for whatever reason, it wasn't reaching my fingers when I was typing during the panel.  My inexplicable bad.</p>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-11-11</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        Rivrdog - depends on why you blog, whether it helps or not.

I have had influence as a blogger.  I know I have.  People I have influenced (people who make policy decisions) have shown me where and how I (and those like me) have made an impact and effected change, however small.

And bloggers in general have tightened up things for the MSM.  Certainly we&apos;ve not caused a metamorphosis, but we have caused, and continue to cause, change there, too.  Some good, some bad.

That&apos;s one reason I continue to blog.

One more stone flung at Goliath&apos;s head.
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    <published>2007-11-11T17:55:02Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2007://1.8321-comment:66518</id>
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    <title>Comment from Rivrdog on 2007-11-10</title>
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        OK, let me summarize, if I may.

1. You met all the Tall Dogs of blogging.
2. They are all just folks, like you and I.
3. When they get into politics, the Lefty bloggers are, well, loony. Serious, but loony.
4. None of them will ever do anything past blogging to make a difference in the world.

And THAT, boys and girls, is why I have stopped blogging myself and am devoting my creative energies to writing the definitive novel about culture collapse.

I still READ bloggers, especially the really NEWSY ones like Argghhh!, but I truly believe, after 4 years of it, that my energies are FAR more likely to end in RESULTS by crafting this novel.

Blogging was good for my soul, and I believe I may have even convinced a few folks along the way that some harsh realities have to be faced, but I&apos;ve gone as far with it as I can.

&quot;Teasing&quot; new work is very de rigeur as communications theory these days, so I may publish a chapter or two on my site in a while...

Rivrdog
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    <published>2007-11-11T03:56:54Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ledger on 2007-11-10</title>
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        That was a good report.

Your blurb on Markos “Screw’em” Zuniga was interesting.

It’s well known that Markos is a political hound dog. He is a master of deflection, obfuscation and innuendo. He and his friends will never admit to being wrong about the war.

Next, the observation that bloggers see themselves as a conduit around the traditional MSM is probably valid. But, bloggers need more boots on the ground where news is made such as Bill T before real gains are made.

Now, don’t discount the possibility of bloggers becoming politicians. Most politicians made huge public blunders in their early careers – yet they still became politicians.

Last, as for the “collegial” atmosphere at the Expo, I suspect that many bloggers realize they are getting in on the ground floor of something big. They are probably correct. Thus, there is no need to start swinging fists now.

Thanks for the good report.

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    <published>2007-11-10T10:02:56Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Trias on 2007-11-09</title>
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        I must admit the main thing i really read out of all that was the damn bacon.

Although it&apos;s interesting to see you interact with the lefties and in a similar position to I was when i started interacting with righties in places like this.

Yes the left has similar MSM issues.  The core thing is MSM is selling stories that sell.  It&apos;s irrelevant to them whether it&apos;s true or a good story.  And MSM primarily sells to populism.  The bulk of America must therefore not be all that inclined to left or right viewpoints.  I&apos;m wondering too, if it has ever been any different.  Even back in the good ol days of word of mouth.
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    <published>2007-11-10T05:20:59Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from steveegg on 2007-11-09</title>
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        Groupie definitely describes me.  It was great to meet you and everybody else I met.

The From The Front session that was going on the same time as the Markos blow-up was an outstanding one, and completely devoid of the fireworks that finally boiled over at the Right v Left one.  Let&apos;s just say that was brewing Thursday.
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    <published>2007-11-10T02:50:58Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from HomefrontSix on 2007-11-09</title>
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        I, too, am envious. I would have liked to have met Hugh Hewitt in person. And Tom Nichols (met his wife already). And it would be great to see Carla, Andi, Rachelle, etc. again but I&apos;ll just have to wait until the end of the month at SpouseBuzz Live.


in the mean time, I&apos;ll just live vicariously!


Oh, and the Peruvian mashed potatoes with caramelized onions and bacon? Sounds delish.
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    <published>2007-11-09T21:33:23Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-11-09</title>
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        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        Oh, I think it reads worse than it is in person, Fuzzy.  Everybody is being pretty collegial, all things considered.


And we&apos;re back on topic.
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    <published>2007-11-09T19:34:17Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from FbL on 2007-11-09</title>
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        Yes, &quot;envious&quot; is more accurate.  I don&apos;t begrudge you a bit.

But after reading the update, I&apos;m not so sure about wanting to be there... that kind thing would&apos;ve had me losing it and saying something really obnoxious, or heading for the door with a sick stomach.
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    <published>2007-11-09T19:30:33Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-11-09</title>
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        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        Jealously is such an ugly word, FuzzyBee.  Better, *envious* yeah, that&apos;s the ticket.

I&apos;ve been taking your message around, I assure you.
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    <published>2007-11-09T19:22:16Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from FbL on 2007-11-09</title>
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        You are making me SOOOO jealous!  *whimper*

Seriously, please express my gratitude to the Valour-IT supporters if you get the chance.
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    <published>2007-11-09T19:09:44Z</published>
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