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  <title>Comments for On how the Cheyenne came to be...</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2007-10-23T10:46:33Z</published>
    <updated>2007-10-27T15:24:07Z</updated>
    <title>On how the Cheyenne came to be...</title>
    <summary>So, given what we know about Sugarbuttons Bill, ya gotta think it went down something like this... Bill and V29 (or someone very much like V29) are sitting at a table in a bar in Enterprise, Alabama, telling war storys. The TINS are flying so fast and hard the air has taken on an ochre tint... kinda like a dust storm, only... messier. Anyway, sitting at a table slightly behind them is a white-shirted, dark-pitted, greasy-haired, taped-glasses pocket-protector wearer with pimples, slipstick clipped to his belt. Yeah, an engineer. Taking copious notes on his napkin, because he desperately wants to...</summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p>So, given what we know about <s>Sugarbuttons</s> Bill, ya gotta think it went down something like this...</p>

<p>Bill and V29 (or someone very much like V29) are sitting at a table in a bar in Enterprise, Alabama, telling war storys.  The TINS are flying so fast and hard the air has taken on an ochre tint...  kinda like a dust storm, only... messier.  Anyway, sitting at a table slightly behind them is a white-shirted, dark-pitted, greasy-haired, taped-glasses pocket-protector wearer with pimples, slipstick clipped to his belt.  Yeah, an engineer.  </p>

<p>Taking copious notes on his napkin, because he desperately wants to get the lingo down so he can sound like an insider on the flightline.  Nope, couldn't be me - I was too young at this point.  Besides, I'm not an engineer, however much the rest of the description may, or may not, fit.</p>

<p>Bill cocks his head towards the engineer and in a voce all sotto tells V29 (or someone much like V29) "Watch this!"  Raising his voice, and maneuvering his hands to match his narrative, Bill sez, "Yeah, I got this from guys flying for the 11th ACR - they're out flying the border, when this new Rooshian bird comes up to 'em - a big brute of a beast, with wings, cannon, stacked drivers, and get this - it was a pusher!  Yep - they hadda look twice, they said - thought the commie bassids were bringing in some kinda turbo-prop or something... but nope - it's a helo awright.  Said it took off like a bat outta hell and scared 'em sober for 15 minutes!"</p>

<p>Bill checks out of the corner of his eye and Engineer-boy is scribbling furiously, reaching for his slipstick.</p>

<p>One year later...</p>

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<p>It's all Bill's fault, I tell ya.</p>

<p>Oh, sure, <strong><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AH-56_Cheyenne">this is the *official* story</a></strong>.  But which one sounds more real?</p>

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    <title>Comment from Tim on 2007-10-24</title>
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        Cheyenne?  They shoulda called it the Platypus.
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    <published>2007-10-25T02:18:30Z</published>
    <updated>2007-10-25T02:18:30Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2007-10-24</title>
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        <![CDATA[<em>All true, but was it not the fastest hellaflopper ever built?</em>

Nope. The Ka-22 and a couple of DARPA one-offs were faster. Of course, all of them (the Cheyenne included) were composite aircraft, using props to boost their speed past the 200-knot mark. A true helicopter has *huge* aerodynamic problems with the rotor system when its airspeed approaches 200 knots, but Westland designed a set of transonic blades and fitted them to a Lynx in 1986 and the beast actually got up to 217 knots in level flight.     ]]>
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    <published>2007-10-24T13:54:04Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from jim b on 2007-10-23</title>
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        This just in, the exact quote from the voice recorder was:

&quot;Hold my beer and watch this!!!!&quot;

Followed by crash noises.
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    <published>2007-10-24T03:42:57Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2007-10-23</title>
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        All true, but was it not the fastest hellaflopper ever built?  (Still catchable by lotsa airplanes owned by private citizens, of course.)
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    <published>2007-10-24T02:59:18Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from J.M. Heinrichs on 2007-10-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[Ignoring the question of optical corrective measures, it could have been <a href="http://avia.russian.ee/helicopters_eng/mi-12.php" rel="nofollow">this</a>, or possibly <a href="http://http://avia.russian.ee/helicopters_eng/ka-22.php" rel="nofollow">this</a>.

Or <a href="http://avia.russian.ee/helicopters_eng/ka-56.php" rel="nofollow">this.</a>

Cheers]]>
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    <published>2007-10-24T01:47:10Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from steveH on 2007-10-23</title>
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        I was in high school near Thousand Oaks, CA from &apos;64-&apos;68, about a half hour south of Pt. Mugu Naval base. Out of which occasionally issued one odd/old/interesting flying machine. 

The father of two brothers who were classmates of mine was based at Pt. Mugu for a while working on the Man in Sea project.
He got us passes to the Armed Forces day airshow one year, where we got to see two passes by an SR-71, a demo of the Fulton system picking up of a fellow from the ground, and the only time I&apos;ve seen a pair of sidewinders fired off at a flare shot off from the beach. (Best. Airshow. Ever.)

Some months later, an AH-56 overflew the school, with something or other flying chase with it, can&apos;t recall what.

I do remember that the Cheyenne was hands down the strangest sounding, and loudest rotorcraft I have ever in my life heard. The closest thing I can recall to the sound was hearing an A-10 fire its gatling gun, but lower pitched.
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    <published>2007-10-23T23:51:04Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2007-10-23</title>
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        Saw the 8mm gee-whiz-shazam film Lockheed released in &apos;70, and immediately decided a rotating gunner&apos;s station was both needlessly complicated and the fastest way to induce vertigo in a mildly-maneuvering aircraft. Plus that reduced the internal support for the pilot&apos;s station. When the test ship looped, that confirmed my decision to never get inside one. 

I don&apos;t *do* inverted well.

BTW, didja get a pic of the dinged tail rotor blade? Got half a dozen decent grognard-type shots when I was down that way before the Pak jaunt. No, I didn&apos;t ding it. I was drinking in the club at the time...
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    <title>Comment from Barb on 2007-10-23</title>
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        Your version sounds much more realistic, John.  At least, I can totally picture it ;-)
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    <published>2007-10-23T15:11:57Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-10-23</title>
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        I *said* it was scary! Geez, MajMike... 
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    <published>2007-10-23T13:24:08Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from MajMike on 2007-10-23</title>
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        15 straight minutes of sobriety for a Blackhorse aviator??  what kind of sap do you take me for!
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    <published>2007-10-23T13:13:21Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from V29 on 2007-10-23</title>
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        Well it sure wasn&apos;t me. Nothing short of an atom bomb could scare me sober! Well one thing could... flying copilot with Sugarbuttons and hear him say, &quot;Watch This&quot;. Anytime a pilot with the controls says watch this, cinch up your parachute and if you&apos;re in a helimachopper, bend over and kiss it goodbye. Chances are you&apos;re in for the ride of your life, literally.
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    <title>Comment from MR T&apos;s Haircut on 2007-10-23</title>
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        No that is a good looking bird!
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    <published>2007-10-23T11:35:07Z</published>
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