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  <title>Comments for H&amp;I Fires October 3, 2007</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <published>2007-10-04T04:31:23Z</published>
    <updated>2007-10-08T16:42:44Z</updated>
    <title>H&amp;I Fires October 3, 2007</title>
    <summary>Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That&apos;s only polite. You&apos;re advertising here, we should get an ad at your place... Rush Limbaugh, kind of amusing, sometimes annoying, occasionally funny, but, honestly, not an appropriate debate topic for 24 hours or more in congress. These people literally must have nothing to do. They have certainly accomplished little over the last two years. Of course, they&apos;re after Limbaugh, not just because of the MoveOn mess, but because they...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p><em>Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That's only polite.</p>

<p>You're advertising here, we should get an ad at your place...</em></p>

<p>Rush Limbaugh, kind of amusing, sometimes annoying, occasionally funny, but, honestly, not an appropriate debate topic for <strong><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298999,00.html#">24 hours or more in congress</a></strong>.   These people literally must have nothing to do.  They have certainly accomplished little over the last two years.  Of course, they're after Limbaugh, not just because of the MoveOn mess, but because they can't quell talk radio through competition, they can't make it give up its market share by the "fairness doctrine" and now they are doing some lame "Mom, he hit me, too" dance in congress.  This is so lame I can't believe I'm blogging on it, but wanted to say:</p>

<p>People...the world is going to heck in a hand basket and you're debating Limbaugh.  We're doomed.</p>

<p>Except in Iraq where the surge is going so well that the <strong><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_watching_najaf;_ylt=AkoVaUxuaLnE4oUQR._7BBkUewgF">Shia now asked for our specific assistance backing up the IP</a></strong> during a Shia holiday instead of relying on the segregated police and private security.  They are too worried it will come out like last time with multiple people wounded and killed.  </p>

<p>Hey, some more leaking of the <strong><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003/ap_on_go_ot/terror_exercise">secret plan to conduct a secret test of some not so secret places</a></strong>.  </p>

<p>Now, for something completely different from NRO: <strong><a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=M2I0NzFjYjljMWI0NmFiNTlmMjM5ZDA3ZDJlYzlmYmI=">Why right wing economics beat left wing social causes in elections.</a> </strong> (referencing "the Problem with Kansas")</p>

<p>I'll give you a hint: people don't like people that mess with their money, especially when they have no say in how its spent (no taxation without representation).  For the most part, Democrat social schemes like Health Care for all and $5,000 savings bonds for Children involve something like taking more of my money, giving it to a crooked pyramid scheme con artist (the government) and then passing what's left around to people I don't know and have no idea whether they deserved it, got it or cared about it like I do.</p>

<p>That would be reason #2 why I won't be voting for Hillary.  Scariest thing she ever said in 2004 was "We're going to raise your taxes for the greater good."  </p>

<p>Oh, and sometimes, these social schemes remind me of our friendly new dictator down south who calls his movement "21st Century Socialism", but looks a lot like 21st Century Totalitarian Communism <strong><a href="http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/2007/10/chavez-new-constitution-article-136.html">complete with "politburos"</a></strong> who will make the "will of the people known" to the executive and legislative branches.  Of course, how that will happen since elections are now gone is a mystery unless, of course, the politburos are full of fine upstanding folks with ESP.</p>

<p>Thank you Jimmy Caw-taw for over seeing the destruction of democracy.  I always knew you had it in you.<br />
-Kat<br />
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<p>On the Lebanon Fires: <strong><a href="http://tank.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDA3NzQxZjRhZjNiOTU3MGI5NmY2ODE1Y2Y4ZGVmMjg=">Seems they are under control.</a></strong>  Details. </p>

<p>And, from SWJ: <strong><a href="http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2007/10/coin-seminar-dr-david-kilculle/">Kilcullen's Power Point on Counter-insurgency</a></strong>.  For the most part, this was a very informative presentation on counter-insurgency.  I did find one or two points interesting regarding "strategic communications".  More on that later.<br />
-Kat</p>

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Frank - <strong><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=4VFIAFga1UI">this one's for you</a></strong>!  Battery Adjust!  -the Armorer</p>

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      <![CDATA[<p>*A term of art from the artillery. Harassment and Interdiction Fires.</p>

<p>Back in the day, when you could just kill people and break things without a note from a lawyer, they were pre-planned, but to the enemy, random, fires at known gathering points, road junctions, Main Supply Routes, assembly areas, etc - to keep the bad guy nervous that the world around him might start exploding at any minute.</p>

<p>*Not really relevant to today's operating environment, right? But, it *is*</p>

<p>The UAVs (oops, can't call 'em UAVs anymore - they're now Unmanned Aerial Systems... some Colonel got his Legion of Merit for that change...), er, um UAS's we fly over Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for targets of opportunity are a form of H&I fires, if you really want to parse it finely. We just have better sensors and fire control now.</p>

<p>I call the post that because it's random things posted by me and people I've given posting privileges to. It's also an open trackback, so if someone has a post they're proud of, but it really isn't either Castle kind of stuff, or topical to a particular post, I've basically given blanket permission to use that post for that purpose. Another term of art that might be appropriate is "Free Fire Zone"</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2007-10-03</title>
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        <![CDATA[<em>The term hiding under a rock comes to mind.</em>

Ah-HA! The ol' "I can ignore you until you grow tired of pestering me" tactic! ]]>
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    <published>2007-10-03T23:29:12Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from kat-missouri on 2007-10-03</title>
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        Well, I think congress should have stayed off of MoveOn add, too, believe it or not.  The only reason it got traction and hurt the Dems is that it came out on the same day as the testimony and the little speeches the Dems were giving.

Which made it seem like it was coordinated and that is why they got cornered into making a comment on it.

Otherwise, I think that these messages should remain off the congressional floor.  as if they didn&apos;t have anything better to do.
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    <published>2007-10-03T23:24:28Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from jim b on 2007-10-03</title>
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        Rule 1. No one is allowed to disagree with Dingy Harry and Move on.

Rule 2. If Move on screws up with an ad .. scream about anything else.

Rule 3. I enjoy the screaching.

PS Denny Moore has not responded to either of the two letters I sent him asking if he condemned the Move on ad concerning the general.  The term hiding under a rock comes to mind.
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    <published>2007-10-03T20:32:41Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2007://1.8159-comment:65199</id>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2007-10-03</title>
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        I recall the 2005 &quot;secret&quot; test of the &quot;secret&quot; plan.

First, NJ EmerOpCen issued a press release the week prior so people wouldn&apos;t panic, with followups on the day prior and the day of. On the day of, ERs from Newark to Cape May were jammed with people demanding &quot;pneumonia shots&quot; because the press releases only appeared in three newspapers -- two of which were in Trenton. The local Talk Radio stations kept reminding people it was only an exercise, but the station managers decided to do that as a public service after the first hundred panicky calls about &quot;the germ bombs.&quot;

Second, after a week of promising aviation support to augment the State Police and making phone calls to Fort Dix, Lakehurst, West Trenton and Picatinny Arsenal, the EOC discovered that they couldn&apos;t get any medevac support because
1. the 1159th AeroMed had been disbanded in January 2002,
2. the last UH-1V in the state had been sent to Ft. Drum in April 2003, and
3. the only UH-60 helicopters -- and crews -- in the NJARNG had been deployed to Iraq in November 2004.

Iceberg, tip of the.

On the positive side, the tranny folks who had been mobilized performed Above and Beyond -- until the fuel allocated for the exercise ran out...

Lessons Learned: Sorry -- FOUO.
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    <title>Comment from Pogue on 2007-10-03</title>
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        Wow, that hydraulic rammer is a real pita when it&apos;s broken, isn&apos;t it.  
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    <title>Comment from Oldloadr on 2007-10-03</title>
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        I don&apos;t think the administration should say anything on the Rush thing, either.  However, the point that I was trying to make (and obviously missed making) is: because the moon-bats have been constantly on the offensive in the propaganda sphere, it would only stand to reason that their attacks would become more visceral and less connected to logic as time goes on since there is seldom a counter-attack from the conservative establishment, including the White House. 
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    <title>Comment from kat-missouri on 2007-10-03</title>
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        I don&apos;t think Bush should say anything at all.  I&apos;m not sure they hit any sort of psychology with the folks at home.

Here, among the moonbats I know, they were like &quot;whose Rush?&quot;.  It got tuned out ASAP.  So, we&apos;ll see.  

It was pretty obvious who he was talking about, but since most of the outside world does not know who Jesse macbeth was and a few other phonies, it is easy to misconstrue.  

Still, it&apos;s a good way for them to waste time, quietly pass spending bills, pass non-binding resolutions and do nothing that really changes the status quo.  They don&apos;t get blamed for anything bad happening and people will forget soon enough that they were talking about &quot;losing Iraq&quot; since they stopped talking about it and the press has stopped talking about it.  


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    <title>Comment from Oldloadr on 2007-10-03</title>
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        The whole Limbaugh brew-ha-ha is a text-book example of Reid &amp; Co. attempting cognitive dissonance on a grand scale.  The scary part is: I think they will succeed because they have laid the groundwork with their previous forays into the realm of social psychology (e.g. the war is already lost).  The sad thing is instead of counter-attacking, the administration has played perfectly into their hands by refusing to engage in the info/propaganda war.  I wonder what Ronnie would say about a White House that is so communicatively challenged… 


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    <title>Comment from Maggie on 2007-10-03</title>
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        Yesterday I watched/listened to the Blackwater hearings from my desk in work.  Rep. Diane Watson (D)-CA, used nearly the entirity of her time to discuss Rush &quot;Limbo&quot; (I don&apos;t think her mispronunciation was intentional).  Not that she would have had anything intelligent to say to or ask Mr. Prince, but it was silly.

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    <title>Comment from kat-missouri on 2007-10-03</title>
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        Best part is they unleashed the attack dogs from Vote Vets.  I will not question their patriotism, but I will question their sanity.  These dufuses were supporting Oberman&apos;s &quot;George Bush had Tillman murdered for his political beliefs&quot; conspiracy.

Before that, I just thought they were a bunch of guys who wanted us to go kick some but in Afghanistan and get out of Iraq, which I could debate.  After that sterling moment on MSNBC, I realized they were bat sh^t crazy.
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    <title>Comment from fdcol63 on 2007-10-03</title>
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        Yeah, Limbaugh can be annoying, and it&apos;s unbelievably absurd that Congressional &quot;leaders&quot; have wasted time and effort both condemning and lauding him on the floors of their respective chambers.

But the incident is more disturbing for the serious political and cultural conflict it&apos;s a part of. It exposes a serious attempt by some on the Left to squelch commentary from the Right that exposes their hypocrasy and weaknesses on national security and support of the military, and their desire to suppress freedom of speech through the use of manufactured McCarthyite scandals.

Absurd, but serious ..... and very dangerous.
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    <title>Comment from MR T&apos;s Haircut on 2007-10-03</title>
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        Did the Congress pass any meaningful legislation in the last session?  Have they passed the upcoming years Defense Budget?  They surely have better things to do with their time than &quot;condemn, Rush Limbaugh&quot;  All that did was commit the known opinion from some on the left  into the history books and the official record of Congress.   As a tax payer that pisses me off! 

I pity the FOOLS!!

Suckas are just trying to lay the ground work for next year to neutralize the right side of the governments certain political add/commercials over Move On... won&apos;t work but hey if Sen Reid and Boxer want to waste time on this fine, it means they are not earmarking... right...  
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