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H&I* Fires, 20 OCT 2007

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Okay, here's a Whatziss? for ya... CAPT H might even play in this one.

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As someone who has been in the nuke weapons business - the laxity in standards revealed in this story was literally stun-me-mute. Back in my day, mishandling a tool, as in passing it *over* a weapon vice *under* or around - was grounds for immediate decertification. There wasn't any rocket science, really - but there was *meticulous* attention to detail and procedure. I once drew and locked my weapon on a General Officer because he wasn't on my access roster, nor was he accompanied by someone who could vouch him into my exclusion area. And I did not get in trouble for it. To this day I don't know if it was a test or a simple mistake on the part of the General. (Word to the wise, if the Armorer says, "No, you can't enter here, sir, you're not on my roster nor are you accompanied by anyone who can vouch you in." he means it.)

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Air Force said Friday it has punished 70 airmen involved in the accidental, cross-country flight of a nuclear-armed B-52 bomber following an investigation that found widespread disregard for the rules on handling such munitions.

"There has been an erosion of adherence to weapons-handling standards at Minot Air Force Base and Barksdale Air Force Base," said Maj. Gen. Richard Newton, the Air Force deputy chief of staff for operations.

The thing that simply stunned the little Nuke Weapons Fraternity at the place I'm currently doing some work was this:

Newton was announcing the results of a six-week probe into the Aug. 29-30 incident in which the B-52 was inadvertently armed with six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and flown from Minot in North Dakota to Barksdale in Louisiana without anyone noticing the mistake for more than a day.

Emphasis mine. To us, it was simply incomprehensible. But wait! There's more!

A main reason for the error was that crews had decided not to follow a complex schedule under which the status of the missiles is tracked while they are disarmed, loaded, moved and so on, one official said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record.

The airmen replaced the schedule with their own "informal" system, he said, though he didn't say why they did that nor how long they had been doing it their own way.

Again, emphasis mine. Now the initial reporting was histrionic. We spent *decades* with aircraft overhead carrying nukes. That wasn't the story - though that seemed how it got spun.

The story is that weapons were loaded that weren't supposed to be - and that no one noticed (or at least reported that they noticed) for over a day.

That is simply mind-boggling if you grew up in the nuke business when I did. There is a *serious* service culture problem represented in this story. One I'm sure the Air Force is working feverishly to fix. Keep you eyes on the ball, gents. Or in this case - the bombs.

Simply amazing. -the Armorer

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Madame Speaker spanks Stark. Heh. How sad that passions have so over-ridden judgement in the people who are sent to govern. One wishes they could find their adult pants. "Inappropriate" Madame Speaker? Surely a stronger word would fit. Of course, we wouldn't want you dipping into Representative Stark's vocabulary and oratorical style... -the Armorer

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*A term of art from the artillery. Harassment and Interdiction Fires.

Back in the day, when you could just kill people and break things without a note from a lawyer, they were pre-planned, but to the enemy, random, fires at known gathering points, road junctions, Main Supply Routes, assembly areas, etc - to keep the bad guy nervous that the world around him might start exploding at any minute.

*Not really relevant to today's operating environment, right? But, it *is*

The UAVs (oops, can't call 'em UAVs anymore - they're now Unmanned Aerial Systems... some Colonel got his Legion of Merit for that change...), er, um UAS's we fly over Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for targets of opportunity are a form of H&I fires, if you really want to parse it finely. We just have better sensors and fire control now.

I call the post that because it's random things posted by me and people I've given posting privileges to. It's also an open trackback, so if someone has a post they're proud of, but it really isn't either Castle kind of stuff, or topical to a particular post, I've basically given blanket permission to use that post for that purpose. Another term of art that might be appropriate is "Free Fire Zone"

11 Comments

Every one of the derelict flyboys/girls involved from tippy top down the to most junior should have their career isntantly and permanently ended. No excuses, no appeals, no leniency, no nothing but a big hammer. Every single one had the obligation to do it right the first time, and to halt everything if they even thought there was something going on contrary to prescribed (in teeny tiny detail) practices. I am sure that there are always billets available with Army units in the sandbox needing IMA personnel assigned, and these clowns might learn somthing with boots on the ground in a hostile environment. Too many homesteaders in cushy jobs working 9 to 5 hours in the flyboy fraternity. "What would Curtis [Lemay] do?"
 
I didn't get near nukes, but was in Strategic Air Command units twice in the 20 yr AF career and I too was flabbergasted that something like that happened. No way would that have occurred in SAC. Heads would roll, careers would end and any NCOs involved would be starting over again as E-1.
 
Every one of the derelict flyboys/girls involved from tippy top down the to most junior should have their career isntantly and permanently ended. No excuses, no appeals, no leniency, no nothing but a big hammer. I'll sign up for that. That's how it was in my world. You get decertified as an officer, you'd seen your last promotion, and were simply a "Dead Man Walking..."
 
I loaded or supervised the loading of nukes for most of my 24 years in the AF and I can't comprehend this much stupidity distilled down on one base. One base because all the screwing up occurred at Minot. It doesn’t surprise me that Barksdale personnel didn’t catch the mistake right away since they were told they had received conventional missiles; therefore no special security would have been required. I’m sure it was the Barksdale loaders who caught the screw-up when they went out to down-load the jet. The number of rules that would have to be violated and the number of airmen violating them in order to screw up on this magnitude is truly mind-boggling. When I first heard the news and that 4 officers had been relieved, I said there should be at least 20 more careers terminated and now I see the AF is looking at 70, which is probably a good number.
 
Exactly right about the AF. Moving to Congress, I'm reminded of the difference between Congress and the Boy and Girl Scouts; being the Scouts have adult supervision. It's long past time for someone to use the paddle my 5th grade teacher had on ALL the behinds of the members of Congress, and most have at least two. Walter M. Clark, SFC, USAR, Ret.
 
I was once in a similar position. My ship had two capable systems and we were in a security alert drill. I had the quarterdeck watch, was cocked and locked and the Admiral waited on the brow. No trouble. In another incident the weapons officer came off the beach, three sheets to the wind, and decided to do a security drill. It is rather scary to see a bunch of drunks (they had just came back too) running around in their skivvies with 1911s. The officer wound up against a bulkhead with a .45 screwed into his ear. I'm sure the skipper explained why it is not a good idea to rattle a security control room door at 2:30 in the morning.
 
Jotm, I, too, am surpised that this entire event happened. The Navy uses Marines to secure their special weapons, and havinf been certified to load and deliver these, it is unimaginable how such a thing could occur. There is an awful lot I can forgive, but not this. This is absolutley unforgiveable, and I am happy to see so many heads rolling. This nation is at war. there is no excuse for such sloppy procedures.
 
SO IT IS THAT "I" THE DRUNK DUDE IS OFF THE ISO. I WILL JUST POINT ME WINKIE-PUFF-GROMET AT THE SIR ARGGHHH AND FAIR THEE MAIDEN PULL THE CORD BORED GRAPE-SHOT, NO QUARTER YE,NO QUARTER YE, FOR FUN YA.......TURKEY?....SIMO...IRAN? WHERE ARE THE SUBS??
 
And Richard perplexes us all until you realize his comment is intended for the post *above* this one... Then it's slightly less scary. Pirates and cannon, vice a pirate commenting thusly on nukes.
 
Newton acknowledged that the Air Force needs to "restore the confidence" lost among the American people after the August incident, which raised questions about the safety of the country's nuclear arsenal. Didn't raise the question of safety of the country's nuclear arsenal in *my* mind (especially since I grew up knowing about with these incidents) -- the question I thought about was "How often did they almost load a nuke for a live-fire exercise?"
 
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