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  <title>Comments for H&amp;I Fires* 03 Sep 2007</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2007-09-04T04:55:42Z</published>
    <updated>2007-09-07T14:57:50Z</updated>
    <title>H&amp;I Fires* 03 Sep 2007</title>
    <summary>Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That&apos;s only polite. You&apos;re advertising here, we should get an ad at your place... *********************************** From Bob Owens, who reads these things so that I don&apos;t have to... another fabulist, this time at Daily Kos. Funny thing about those &quot;smaller [helicopter] carriers&quot;: they can handle Harrier jump jets, but there is no way in hell they can land an F18 Hornet. The Kossacks just TNR&apos;d. Lex takes it down better...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p><em>Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That's only polite.</p>

<p>You're advertising here, we should get an ad at your place...</em></p>

<p>***********************************</p>

<p>From Bob Owens, who reads these things so that I don't have to... <strong><a href="http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/239113.php">another fabulist, this time at Daily Kos.</a></strong><br />
<blockquote><br />
Funny thing about those "smaller [helicopter] carriers": they can handle Harrier jump jets, but there is no way in hell they can land an F18 Hornet. </p>

<p>The Kossacks just TNR'd.<br />
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<p><strong><a href="http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/09/02/hoisting-the-flag/">Lex takes it down better than I would have</a></strong>.  Something about that "professional knowledge" thing.</p>

<p>Franklin Foer is cringing at that "TNR'd" thing, I'm guessing.  Nothing like the magazine you edit being "verbed" into shorthand for fabulism.  Give Moulitsas credit - <strong><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/2/15560/00042">he jumped in early and threw Maccabee under the bus</a></strong>.  </p>

<p><strong><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/9/2/194714/9801/43#c43">Maccabee blames her source (or executes her imaginary friend, whichever), </a></strong>deletes the post, and consoles herself with all the props she's getting from her fellow travelers... several of whom firmly believe that it *could* be true, and that's all that matters, anyway.  Why get wrapped up in the details? -the Armorer</p>

<p>*********************************</p>

<p>George Will's column is worth a read today... on the fact that sometimes, war is indeed the answer - or, at least, that out of war can come some good.  That, and there's this, Kansas connection.</p>

<blockquote>
Such heartbreaking stories are written into Normandy's lovely landscape. At the American Cemetery overlooking this beach, amid the many rows of white marble gravestones, are two, side by side, marking the burial places of Ollie Reed and Ollie Reed Jr., a father and his son. The son, an Army first lieutenant, died in Italy on July 6. His father, an Army colonel, was killed July 30 in Normandy. Two telegrams notified the father's wife, the son's mother. The telegrams arrived in Manhattan, Kan., 45 minutes apart.
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<p>Worth reading the whole thing, <strong><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/31/AR2007083101535.html">here, in the WashPo</a></strong>. -the Armorer</p>

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<p>Eagle1 chronicles the history of <strong><a href="http://eaglespeak.blogspot.com/2007/09/sunday-ship-history-uss-finback-ss-230.html">the <em>USS Finback</em>, which 63 years ago yesterday completed a task that many Kossacks wish had gone badly</a></strong>.  -the Armorer</p>

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<p>BTW, NYT (reference that Duranty Pulitzer you keep but shouldn't)... it's never too late to acknowledge you were wrong...  <strong><a href="http://www.nysun.com/article/61666?page_no=1">good on you, Pete Seeger</a></strong>.   -the Armorer</p>

<p>*********************************</p>

<p>Yesterday, I smacked Katie Couric around a bit.  Today, I tip my hat to her:  <strong><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/09/02/couricandco/entry3228244.shtml">Katie gets a clue</a></strong>. - FbL</p>

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      <![CDATA[<p>*A term of art from the artillery. Harassment and Interdiction Fires.</p>

<p>Back in the day, when you could just kill people and break things without a note from a lawyer, they were pre-planned, but to the enemy, random, fires at known gathering points, road junctions, Main Supply Routes, assembly areas, etc - to keep the bad guy nervous that the world around him might start exploding at any minute.</p>

<p>*Not really relevant to today's operating environment, right? But, it *is*</p>

<p>The UAVs (oops, can't call 'em UAVs anymore - they're now Unmanned Aerial Systems... some Colonel got his Legion of Merit for that change...), er, um UAS's we fly over Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for targets of opportunity are a form of H&I fires, if you really want to parse it finely. We just have better sensors and fire control now.</p>

<p>I call the post that because it's random things posted by me and people I've given posting privileges to. It's also an open trackback, so if someone has a post they're proud of, but it really isn't either Castle kind of stuff, or topical to a particular post, I've basically given blanket permission to use that post for that purpose. Another term of art that might be appropriate is "Free Fire Zone"</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from BloodSpite on 2007-09-05</title>
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        <name>BloodSpite</name>
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        Too Little too late to be sure

But it&apos;s hard to knock someone who is willing to stand up and say &quot;Look, I fornicated the canine. I know it. I should have asked more questions, I didn&apos;t.&quot;

I found it interesting, as a guitarist myself, that he mentions Woody Guthrie (with his infamous slogan of &quot;This Machine kills Facists&quot; placed on his guitar), with a touch of regret.

But the best part I think was his statement on violence. Making him more of, for lack of better workds, an aging hippie at worst, versus a hardcore Red.

Sort of like Upton Sinclair suddenly acknowledging Capitalism prevailed.
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    <published>2007-09-05T10:33:29Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from KCSteve on 2007-09-04</title>
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        <![CDATA[The comment's over at Curic's blog are amusing.
The comprehensible ones appear to be variations of "How <b>dare</b> you report good news from Iraq!"]]>
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    <published>2007-09-04T18:40:47Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from lex on 2007-09-04</title>
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        That Maccabee thing just fell in my lap.

Too easy.
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    <published>2007-09-04T16:34:02Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-09-04</title>
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        It&apos;s official, Mr. Seeger - the overwhelming opinion *expressed* here is... too little, too late.

Sorry.  

Now, small detail question - how many who rapped him actually *read* Ron Radosh&apos;s article I linked to?
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    <title>Comment from emdfl on 2007-09-04</title>
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        Seeger - another Stalin/communist apologist looking for a come-back song.  Screw &apos;im and the nyt as well.
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    <published>2007-09-04T11:25:01Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Trias on 2007-09-04</title>
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        Interesting mix of the left there.  Maccabee talked way too much.


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    <published>2007-09-04T10:27:21Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-09-03</title>
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        More likely in that era, a Nagant.  And later, a Makarov.
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    <published>2007-09-04T03:12:25Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2007-09-03</title>
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        <![CDATA[<i>That doesn't acknowledge that it was communists who killed one hundred million people while Seeger was singing their song.</i>

Pete toed the Party line, and the Party line was that the kulaks just had a run of bad luck. It'd be interesting to see that same interview if the USSR was still around writing the words to the tune, to mix a metaphor.

Or, as in Uncle Joe's case, calling the shots -- as in, from a Tokarev...]]>
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    <title>Comment from Fred on 2007-09-03</title>
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        &quot; He acknowledged that he underestimated, and perhaps still does, &quot;how the majority of the human race has faith in violence.&quot;

That doesn&apos;t acknowledge that it was communists who killed one hundred million people while Seeger was singing their song.
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-09-03</title>
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        As ever, Jim&apos;s a tough audience!
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    <published>2007-09-03T22:02:35Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2007-09-03</title>
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        <![CDATA[<em>This was a friend of yours? And now you're saying she "punked" you and are taking the words of Kossak's over your friend's? I am more convinced by this that you made it all up then by anything else so far.</em>

Blood. In. The. Water.
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    <title>Comment from jim b on 2007-09-03</title>
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        Pete Seeger repents.... waaaaaaaay after the nick of time. Stalin is not a neat guy.

Good for you Pete now get a quarter and see if you can find someone who cares what you think.


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