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  <title>Comments for &quot;Bush&apos;s Blogger Envy&quot;</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2007-09-18T16:04:56Z</published>
    <updated>2007-09-21T16:22:09Z</updated>
    <title>&quot;Bush&apos;s Blogger Envy&quot;</title>
    <summary>Washington Post staffer Dan Froomkin has his take on the President&apos;s meeting with the adoring sycophants milbloggers last Friday. Hey, I was just happy to get mentioned in this article, vice the first one in the WaPo by Michael Abramowitz. In that one I&apos;m just quoted without attribution and no link. Damn Blackfive and his Huge Presence anyway! ;^ ) I decided to drop a note to Mr. Froomkin. Dan - at least you mentioned and linked me! Blogger heaven, right? You&apos;re right - the President didn&apos;t offer up much in the way of true newsy stuff, and I at...</summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Washington Post staffer <strong><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2007/09/17/BL2007091700952.html?nav=rss_opinions/columnsandblogs">Dan Froomkin has his take on the President's meeting with the <s>adoring sycophants</s> milbloggers last Friday</a></strong>.</p>

<p>Hey, I was just happy to get mentioned in this article, <strong><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/15/AR2007091500759.html">vice the first one in the WaPo by Michael Abramowitz</a></strong>.  In that one I'm just quoted without attribution and no link.  Damn Blackfive and his Huge Presence anyway!  ;^ )</p>

<p>I decided to drop a note to Mr. Froomkin.</p>

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Dan - at least you mentioned and linked me!  Blogger heaven, right?

<p>You're right - the President didn't offer up much in the way of true newsy stuff, and I at least wasn't naive enough to expect that he was going to.  Nor, really were most of us.  My sense of things was that the White House communications crowd were trying to give some props to people they see as a generally friendly (though we aren't all completely friendly, I ragged on Rumsfeld through most of his tenure) and told the President that I was not a fan of invading Iraq as preface to my question on the subject (which I'll be posting tomorrow).</p>

<p>But you get big props from me for quoting with attribution and linking... which is more that I can say for Abramowitz!</p>

<p>We aren't the rubber stamps we appear to be, nor is the milblogging community as homogeneous as it might appear.  </p>

<p>But since most of us exist as a counterpoint to what we see as the MSM viewpoint, we do, therefore, tend to present things in a different light.  </p>

<p>Myself, I try to tell the stories not told - and no, I don't focus on the negative ones - why?  Because the MSM is going to do that, it sells papers, on-air advertising, supports the narrative, and the MSM is a business, with only so many column-inches and air-time to work with.</p>

<p>I don't suffer that constraint, in a sense, so I try to tell the stories not told, present the views not heard, which support my retired soldier narrative.</p>

<p>Unlike some of my fellow, higher-traffic bloggers, I know I'm not going to supplant the MSM, nor do I even want to try.  I complement, contrast, and do some fact checking now and again, within my areas of personal expertise.</p>

<p>And did you know that one of the people at that meeting serves on an advisory committee to a Democrat Representative?</p>

<p>I bet you didn't.  Because you didn't look, because it doesn't fit your template for us.</p>

<p>Cheers,</p>

<p>John<br />
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<p>The Kossack response I've found thus far is this (and I admit, I haven't been looking very hard) and is <strong><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/17/163223/816">from Markos himself</a></strong>:</p>

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Pretty pathetic -- Righty bloggers acting like fangirls in a meeting with Bush at the White House. These kinds of things are pretty silly, which is why I skipped the "blogger meeting" with Bill Clinton. I had better things to do with my time. 

<p>Here's the first rule of politics I learned -- politicians never give up anything interesting. Staffers do. So I'll meet with staffers all day and have a blast. But with the politicians? They're generally worth little more than a photo op, and I don't care for photo ops.<br />
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<p>Heh.  He's right.  So, now I have emails and face time with... staffers.  And I got to meet the President and not just in a "receive" mode, either.  Isn't that what Kos just said to do?  </p>

<p>Digby was, well, <strong><a href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/memo-to-lefty-bloggers-by-digby-if.html">let's just say Digby was even less impressed</a></strong>.  Hey, fair and balanced, that's us!</p>

<p>Note to Kos and Digby - if Mrs. Clinton wins, and her staff suffers a brain infarct, and I get invited to the White House - I'll still be impressed with the majesty of the office, and give the occupant thereof polite attentiveness, and won't go with the intent of getting in their face.  That's just not useful.  And I'll try to cultivate the contacts with a democrat communications team, too.</p>

<p>Why wouldn't I?  After all, whoever sits in the office - they're the President.  Even when I didn't like what he was doing, or saying, or how he was behaving with interns, President Clinton was still my President, and I'd have accorded him the same respect in person I gave President Bush last week.  Even if I didn't have to because I was an active duty officer during his Presidency.</p>

<p>It's just polite. </p>

<p>But then - that's one of the many differences between I and those who suffer BDS and CDS.</p>

<p>Update:  <strong><a href="http://fuzzilicious.blogspot.com/2007/09/ignorance.html">Fuzzybear Lioness unsheathes her claws and takes a swipe or two at Mr. Froomkin's attitude.</a></strong>  All y'all otter go read it.</p>

<p>Update: <strong><a href="http://armchairgeneralist.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/09/bushs-bloggers.html">The left side of the Milblogosphere</a></strong> has been heard from.  H/t, Ry.</p>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from Trias on 2007-09-19</title>
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        Oh I wouldn&apos;t worry too much about reactions.  You went others didn&apos;t.  Of course Bush favoured you and the others and it shouldn&apos;t take a degree to figure out why.
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    <published>2007-09-19T10:18:40Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2007-09-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[<i>Senators generally suck as Presidents, if they win the job.</i>

No surprise there -- a lot of Senators suck at being *Senators*. And a few of 'em still have sticking points on that "human being" concept...]]>
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    <published>2007-09-19T03:58:20Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-09-18</title>
    <author>
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        J. - deal.  Though I don&apos;t think it will be Senator Obama, at least not as the tea leaves float now.

I&apos;m hoping for a dark horse.  Senators generally suck as Presidents, if they win the job. We need someone who has actually *run* something.  And your legislative office just isn&apos;t a big enough something.
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    <published>2007-09-19T02:31:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from J. on 2007-09-18</title>
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        Why John, you say the nicest things... I agree with your analysis - mostly - although I&apos;m retaining a little cynicism. Maybe it was me calling him a PrezNut or something... Just for the record, I left KosLand a long time ago, it was just getting too rabid for me over there. A few military types live there, but they&apos;re drowned out by the rabble rabble. When President Obama invites me over to the Roosevelt room, I will insist that you come with me.
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    <published>2007-09-19T01:21:55Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from GeoSTI on 2007-09-18</title>
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        Perhaps Kos and the others are jealous and like most jealous small children, scream, shout, or try to act like it was no big deal.

I don&apos;t think we&apos;ll see Madame Clinton kiss his tail, or even want to talk to him. Something about &quot;useful idiots&quot;...
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    <published>2007-09-18T22:41:13Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-09-18</title>
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        And how many of the commenters over at the Generalist read this space?  He links me, I link him.  We have more in common than most people realize.

And I think the Generalist is pretty sane left-oriented blogger, who generally eschews flecking spittle, thought he&apos;s not above being a bit, oh, *sharp* now and then.

He&apos;s a credible blogger on military affairs.  If a Democrat president invites someone over, I expect he&apos;d be on the list. 

I&apos;d like to be, but, hey, I&apos;ve no expectations there.
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    <published>2007-09-18T21:59:29Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from ry on 2007-09-18</title>
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        I dunno.  Seems like their questioning your credibility and ability to think independently.  That&apos;s a slagging(not savaging) in my book.  It&apos;s saying, &apos;Oh, well, of course the droolers and the suckups would get invited.  That&apos;s all Bush has left in his corner, the people whose iq&apos;s couldn&apos;t melt water or those who just want to felate him.&apos;  Nope, couldn&apos;t actually be any thought or action behind the bloggers in question as they&apos;re just stuuuuped sychophants who can&apos;t see straight, can&apos;t agree to disagree on things.  Nope, they&apos;re just stone cold stupid.  Which is why J can be so hard to deal with sometimes---but I do love his work on CBRN issues, even when I disagree with him on things.
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-09-18</title>
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        Y&apos;know, in several places, right and left, there&apos;s an element of twisted underwear of people who obviously feel like *they* should have been invited.  A bit of &quot;who let *those* nobodies in?&quot;

Heh.  I&apos;m just guessing here, but if you want invitations like that, don&apos;t be a spittle-flecked ranter - which is essentially what Ry said.

There was another common thread to who got invited.

All of us, one way or another, do more than just bloviate on line - we *do* things, tangible things, in support of the troops.  Whether it&apos;s Roggio and Ardolino and their embedding and putting out the stories that way, Mohammed&apos;s very real risking of his life to blog, or Mrs. Greyhawk&apos;s tireless scanning of the milblogs, looking for the stories, or the fundraising efforts we&apos;ve put together for Spirit of America, Soldier&apos;s Angels, and other things - we&apos;re actively involved, making a positive change for the troops, in big ways and small.

*Doing something* not just talking about it, was what we had in common.



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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-09-18</title>
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        Ry - that&apos;s what you call savaging?  Seemed pretty tame to me.

Most people are playing it down as a ho-hum, so what (at least if they weren&apos;t on the invite list).

I still got an hour - an hour - of some pretty important time.

And anyone who thinks that you get that kind of time (lets not call it access, because that implies a lineal continuity of same that isn&apos;t involved here) without there being some sort of percieved payback is fooling themselves going in.  I did make contacts that may well turn into access - to act on things I care about.

Of course it was political.  But it was different from being invited to a Rose Garden ceremony, or to a State Dinner.

And if people want to pooh-pooh that, fine with me.  I&apos;ll take their invitations, too.
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    <title>Comment from fdcol63 on 2007-09-18</title>
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        Whatever, Markos. But staffers don&apos;t give out COINS!  LOL
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    <title>Comment from ry on 2007-09-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[Apparently John hasn't seen the slagging he received in the small <a href="http://armchairgeneralist.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/09/bushs-bloggers.html" rel="nofollow">left of center quadrant of the milblog community</a>.  Sheesh.

What is it people want?  Bush to basically bring in everyone who will get into a spit inflected screaming fit in his grill?  To bring in a group of people who will make him go thru a brainwashing so that he now chooses to end the Iraqi campaign?  Not doing that means whoever he did bring in is a shill?  Christ, when did *that* become the stakes? ]]>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-09-18</title>
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        Oops.  Department of Redundancy Department Warning&quot; &quot;adoring sycophants&quot; is double-tapping somewhat repetitively.
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    <published>2007-09-18T19:37:26Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from FbL on 2007-09-18</title>
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        I&apos;m not to sure about that, John...  I didn&apos;t just attack the message, I implied he lacked solid character.

Thanks for the compliment of a link, though.  :)
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-09-18</title>
    <author>
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        Oh, I dunno, Fuzzy - that looked within the Rulez.

You went after the message, appropriately, without going after Mr. Froomkin in needlessly personal ways.

Y&apos;all oughta go read what Fuzzy said.
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    <title>Comment from USCitizen on 2007-09-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>USCitizen</name>
        <uri>http://TractionControl.well-regulatedmilitia.org</uri>
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        Touche, sir. Touche.
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    <published>2007-09-18T17:19:01Z</published>
    <updated>2007-09-18T17:19:01Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from FbL on 2007-09-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>FbL</name>
        <uri>http://www.fuzzilicious.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[John, it should not surprise you that I could not be as polite as you.  In deference to the Rulez, I posted it at <strong><a href="http://fuzzilicious.blogspot.com/2007/09/ignorance.html" rel="nofollow">my place</a></strong>.]]>
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    <published>2007-09-18T17:00:02Z</published>
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