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Hmmmm.

Randy K. sent this interesting little snippet from the Enfield Independent regarding a historical display of a crashed Bf-109, which is an interesting view into modern sensibilities and a curious, to me, outlook on the portrayal of history - as well as an excessive personalization of things that happened to others, in other times, yet wrapping yourself in them.

Just as interesting is the little bit in the right sidebar of the linked piece, titled "Stop Knife Crime." Especially in conjunction with this article from the Daily Mail:

Parents are sending children to school in stab-proof uniforms to guard against knife crime, it has emerged.

They are paying a firm which makes body armour to line blazers and jumpers with a stab-resistant material called Kevlar.

The precautions are aimed at protecting pupils from knife attacks as street crime spills over into schools.

A wave of stabbings involving teenagers includes the killing of promising footballer Kiyan Prince, who was knifed just yards from his school gates in north London.

Now, I've long maintained that banning possession of the implements used by bad people to do bad things is the politician's easy out, enabling them to say "Look! We did something! You're safe again - now, Vote For Me!" when, in fact, they have but put a band-aid on the actual problem, which is much tougher to solve, will involve making judgements about people, and, dare we say it, sub-cultures within the greater culture, and perhaps, the greater culture itself (which, at least for the "progressive" elements, is actually *easier* to make condemnatory judgements about, because, after all, the white patriarchal power bloc is, in fact, the source of *all* evil in the world, and any lesser-sized elements of society are excused thereby, but I digress).

England effectively banned handgun ownership - which, predictably, caused a shift to blunt-force instruments and knives (though, as the black market adjusted, guns became available again to those who wished to obtain them for illicit purposes). Now, one can quite easily argue, "So what? It's harder to actually kill people with clubs and knives, so that's a net good."

Fair enough, as far as it goes. Does it also make it *easier,* in the greater culture and sub-culture, to use those tools against people - *because* it's perceived as being non-lethal, therefore you won't get in as much trouble? I only ask that question, because last I checked the stats, you are far more likely to suffer a home-invasion burglary with beatings in the UK than in the US - but you are less likely to get killed by a gun, true enough. But you are more likely to be victimized by direct personal violence. Trade-offs, I know.

Not surprisingly, the Usual Suspects in England have been running the usual traplines to... ban knives. They've enlisted chefs who have pontificated that, outside of professional kitchens with professionally trained staff, *no one* needs a knife longer than two inches - a size chosen by the medical professionals involved in this as being short enough to make the damage from stab wounds minimally dangerous while still actually allowing you to, oh, slice or chop something - though they'd really prefer to mandate the use of things like mandolins and food processors, etc.

Heh. In other words, pretty much what I, and many others, said on this subject some time ago.

My point? Focusing on the tools used gains small, incremental results - *and absolves the political and cultural elites from having to do the hard work - make judgements, and act on them, on those sub-groups in society where *most* of this violence, though certainly not all, emanates from - and they don't want to do that because there are all those ugly elements of ethnicity and minority status many times integral to it. So they take the easy way out, banning the implements, trampling the rights, livelihoods and habits of the law abiding - precisely so they don't truly have to do the ugly work of making judgements about the mores of less-inclined-to-be-law abiding groups.

An abdication of their responsibilities.

But, of course - that's also the fault of the electorate - because we don't demand they do it, and support them when they do, those times they timidly, tepidly try.

Just sayin'.

*I know this screed doesn't have any links in it to support my contentions, and I'm frankly too lazy to look 'em up on a Sunday morning.

16 Comments

...*no one* needs a knife longer than two inches - a size chosen by the medical professionals involved in this as being short enough to make the damage from stab wounds minimally dangerous... ...while allowing a blade length that will still make an effective slashing weapon against an untrained individual. They've not only abrogated their responsibility, they've abandoned common sense.
 
I'm wondering when the next law will be no more Crickett bat's, or baseball bats. Personally I think I'd rather have one of those in a knife fight :) Especially against a fella with a 2 inch shiv :P
 
In regard to the story about the Bf-109 one can only quote George Santyana "Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it." Unfortunately we live in an era in which revisionist history has become commonplace. Instead or recognizing the context of the times in which things occured, and using the opportunity for lessons learned, too many people today choose to impose thier political beliefs on what they THINK should have happened and erase all possible records that don't support their political viewpoint. Santyana would understand, and probably be appalled. Marine6 Sends
 
*sigh* Just like a techie to bring a stick to a knife fight...
 
Shipmates, Ya know, interestingly enough, it would appear to me that the reverse is also true. Banning the tools of crime to stop crime makes as much sense as saying that giving a chemistry set to a kid makes him a chemist. It's the skill set, the knowledge and the intent to use that knowledge which is important, not the tools associated with it. Talk about Xerxes flogging the ocean! I mean, seriously, mandating licenses, permits, registrations, and operator classes ofr drivers hasn't done anything to stop drunk driving. The only thing that will stop drunk driving is banning booze and cars. Oh. Wait. they tried that banninc booze part, didn't they? Yeah... funny how THAT turned out. Seems people still kept drinking it. Just found another source for the stuff. Sort of like guns in gun-free zones, eh?
 
It's the skill set, the knowledge and the intent to use that knowledge which is important, not the tools associated with it. Bingo! And which is the aspect of crime prevention the solons are so fearful of addressing, lest they *offend* the scuzzbucket subculture...
 
" ...*no one* needs a knife longer than two inches ... " You can tell a European said this. They've never had a reason to carve a Thanksgiving turkey. LOL
 
Maybe England should outlaw opposable thumbs. That would make those nasty knives and bats very hard to use. And of course, strangulations would drop precipitously...
 
Jimmy - excellent point...!
 
If knives are outlawed, only outlaws will have knives! Oh, yeah, ummmm, and professionally-trained kitchen staff...
 
Chief, there's a Patrick O'Brian quote I sorta remember: Dr. Maturin said something like, "Jack, a human is a tolerably fragile machine. Two inches of steel in the right place can do for him." Or something like that. I don't have the book before me, don't remember which one it's in, even, and why don't novels have indices, anyway?
 
There's always the knitting needle into and past the eye socket, and then wave it around in there, if you have the stomach for that kind of thing. I don't, and just contemplating it makes me taste the HCl in the back of my mouth, a little. I doubt if I could even work myself up to it, at my age, even for a good reason. I betcha there are some folks who wouldn't be bothered at all.
 
Not in the eye socket -- you'll skew the tip of the needle and gran'ma will get torqued. And twirling it around in the frontal lobe doesn't always work -- where do you think trials lawyers come from?
 
Hope nobody points out to the potential customer base of those kevlar backpacks that while kevlar may help protect against a slashing-type attack, it won't help a lot against a stabbing-type attack.
 
"So what? It's harder to actually kill people with clubs and knives, so that's a net good." The only thing you need to kill people is knowledge, preparation, and practice. Guns or knives are just tools. They are not the weapon itself. Knives are good for the silent kill. A stab in the kidney or a puncture of the eye, are manifestly more noiseless and intimidating than noisy handguns. A gun you can shoot a man and then what? Dead folks can't give you money. However, a man or a woman has two eyes and two ears and 10 fingers. Plenty of redundancy there. Politicians are spineless enough to be intimidated by anything, anyone, and any implement so to them banning handguns removes a portion of the threat. Threats to them that is. Politicans then only have to worry about assassination and attacks from peasants wielding pitchforks and blades, rather than handguns and rifles. But you are more likely to be victimized by direct personal violence. Trade-offs, I know. Free food. But we get to beat you. Trade offs indeed. Choices, choices. a size chosen by the medical professionals involved in this as being short enough to make the damage from stab wounds minimally dangerous while still actually allowing you to, oh, slice or chop something - though they'd really prefer to mandate the use of things like mandolins and food processors, etc. With the use of a scalpel, I think you can conduct some very profitable extortion and intimidation rackets. So sharp. Off comes the finger. precisely so they don't truly have to do the ugly work of making judgements about the mores of less-inclined-to-be-law abiding groups. And they will eventually say that you are arming militias, going up against the central government and the rule of law by helping little kids and their families protect themselves. They will say that this militia in Al Anbar might solve one problem, but they will become another problem soon enough. Let the police handle things. I betcha there are some folks who wouldn't be bothered at all. Probably. Thugs think they are the hard mofos. Too bad they weren't paid for their brains Hope nobody points out to the potential customer base of those kevlar backpacks that while kevlar may help protect against a slashing-type attack, it won't help a lot against a stabbing-type attack. Posted by emdfl at August 20, 2007 7:32 AM It also won't help a boy or a girl held down as they carve up their face. A turtle in its shell may be safe. Unless you already grabbed its head and one of its legs.
 
From the time I was a cop I remember the vest manufacturer (Safariland in our case) did NOT certify their Kevlar vests as protection from pointed or edged weapons! These people are living in a fools paradise.