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  <title>Comments for H&amp;I Fires* 30 Aug 2007</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2007-08-31T04:30:04Z</published>
    <updated>2007-09-04T12:45:49Z</updated>
    <title>H&amp;I Fires* 30 Aug 2007</title>
    <summary>Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That&apos;s only polite. You&apos;re advertising here, we should get an ad at your place... *********************************** From the Multi-National Force-Iraq news desk... - Iraqi doctors, medics treat fellow Iraqis during medical engagement - Attacks down, economic development up in Iraq - Commander says Iraqi citizens turning against insurgents - American cops teach Iraqi Police to &apos;serve and protect&apos; ********************************* Guess what? Opposing segregation is a thought crime, suitable to get you...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p><em>Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That's only polite.</p>

<p>You're advertising here, we should get an ad at your place...</em></p>

<p>***********************************</p>

<p>From the Multi-National Force-Iraq news desk...</p>

<p>- <strong><a href="http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13643">Iraqi doctors, medics treat fellow Iraqis during medical engagement</a></strong></p>

<p>- <strong><a href="http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13634">Attacks down, economic development up in Iraq</a></strong></p>

<p>- <strong><a href="http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13600">Commander says Iraqi citizens turning against insurgents</a></strong></p>

<p>- <strong><a href="http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13646">American cops teach Iraqi Police to 'serve and protect'</a></strong></p>

<p>*********************************</p>

<p>Guess what?  Opposing segregation is a thought crime, suitable to get you fired.  No, not in West Byrdinia, home of former Klansman and pork king Senator Robert Byrd...  <strong><a href="http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2007/08/29/ohio-democrats-protect-racial-segregation/">but in the Ohio Democratic Party</a></strong>.</p>

<p><strong><a href="http://one.revver.com/watch/328650">A video worth watching</a></strong>.  Work safe except in rabidly-anti-war workplaces.</p>

<p>In honor of Denizen Bloodspite's <strong><a href="http://www.techography.com/article.php?story=20070829062022358">new wheels</a></strong> - <strong><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=ABFthKAW6ic">a little Redneck Rappin'</a></strong>.  But don't miss his tribute to <strong><a href="http://www.techography.com/article.php?story=2007082508531626">Old Faithful</a></strong>, either.  Heh.  The Armorer has a similar vehicle, a white Ford Taurus that has been in the family since it rolled off the factory floor.  Originally a pampered pet, driven by the Armorer's now-passed Mother, the "Muti Car" was booted from her covered estate out into the driveway of a distant state, and suffered the indignities of being the learning venue for the Armorer's son Andy to master the intricacies of driving... and she suffered due to some depth perception problems...  and now she sits, forlorn and lonely, a/c not working, transmission cranky... with me having trouble letting her go because she was... Mom's.  Which Mom would find silly.</p>

<p>Note to scarf-wearers everywhere... be afraid, be very afraid.  <strong><a href="http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2007/08/29/airforce-ready-to-deploy-the-reaper/">Pretty soon pimply fat kids with basement pallor are going to replace you...</a></strong>   </p>

<p>Let's close this section with some more Tank Pr0n...</p>

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<p>Anybody besides me think that thing looks like a Sheridan?  A really big Sheridan on steroids?  A Barry Bonds-style Sheridan?  -the Armorer</p>

<p>********************************</p>

<p>Heh.  I've been ignoring the Senator Craig thing, not to "protect" some Republican with a morals issue hanging around his neck, but because heck, I've got nothing to add to it, except to say that based on my experiences as a college student and a campus cop back in the day, Senator Craig would not want me on his jury in a trial.  And even though it just further reinforces the fact that Dems get away with this kind of stuff while Republicans don't - I think he prolly ought to resign.  The library was particularly rife with that kind of behavior, as to a lesser extent was the old student union (there being a new, far busier one across campus, the old Union was a much quieter building.  I'm just astounded that a place as busy an airport has enough of a problem they're stationing cops in the latrines...</p>

<p>But mostly, I added this just because I wanted to see how many Googlehits it would generate.  Me so bad. -the Armorer</p>

<p>*********************************</p>

<p>Things have been hopping over at <i><strong><a href="http://talkingwithheroes.blogspot.com">Talking with Heroes</a></strong></i> blog.  Bob has been doing everything from accompanying patrols to sitting in on meetings between bigwigs.  And on the homefront, <strong><a href="http://talkingwithheroes.blogspot.com/2007/08/welcome-blogspotters.html">getting linked on Blogspot's homepage</a></strong> has made things <strong><a href="http://fuzzilicious.blogspot.com/2007/08/bad-good-and-ugly.html">rather interesting</a></strong>...  Just start <strong><a href="http://talkingwithheroes.blogspot.com/2007_08_01_archive.html">here</a></strong> and scroll down for all the latest posts.  -FbL</p>

<p>*********************************</p>

<p>Heh.  At least <strong><a href="http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,146920,00.html?ESRC=army-a.nl">Major Cockerham, his wife and his sister</a></strong> were thinking big.  <strong><a href="http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,146996,00.html?ESRC=army-a.nl">Captain Key, if guilty, sold his honor for peanuts</a></strong>.  If this all holds up, I expect some new residents at the <strong><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=&ie=UTF8&ll=39.378165,-94.935136&spn=0.007198,0.014205&t=k&z=16&om=1">back end of Fort Leavenworth</a></strong> soon.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p>*A term of art from the artillery. Harassment and Interdiction Fires.</p>

<p>Back in the day, when you could just kill people and break things without a note from a lawyer, they were pre-planned, but to the enemy, random, fires at known gathering points, road junctions, Main Supply Routes, assembly areas, etc - to keep the bad guy nervous that the world around him might start exploding at any minute.</p>

<p>*Not really relevant to today's operating environment, right? But, it *is*</p>

<p>The UAVs (oops, can't call 'em UAVs anymore - they're now Unmanned Aerial Systems... some Colonel got his Legion of Merit for that change...), er, um UAS's we fly over Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for targets of opportunity are a form of H&I fires, if you really want to parse it finely. We just have better sensors and fire control now.</p>

<p>I call the post that because it's random things posted by me and people I've given posting privileges to. It's also an open trackback, so if someone has a post they're proud of, but it really isn't either Castle kind of stuff, or topical to a particular post, I've basically given blanket permission to use that post for that purpose. Another term of art that might be appropriate is "Free Fire Zone"</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-08-31</title>
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        Heh.  Where *did* it go?  I didn&apos;t delete it.
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    <published>2007-08-31T22:29:46Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Maggie on 2007-08-31</title>
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        lol, where is my comment about my son&apos;s Nazi men&apos;s room views?  Lost in the ether.
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    <published>2007-08-31T21:06:48Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-08-31</title>
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        *I.did.not.send.that.woman, um, Ms.Maggie,into.a.men&apos;s.room.*

I categorically deny any and all such allegations.

I have no [expletive deleted] recollections of those [expletive deleted] events.

[insert 18-minute erasure]

It depends on what your meaning of &apos;sent&apos; is.

Yer son gets it. 


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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2007-08-30</title>
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        Way to go, Jim -- tie in the military miscreants and you&apos;ll have today in a nutshell!


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    <published>2007-08-31T02:38:43Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from jim b on 2007-08-30</title>
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        Because they have Bigazz mosquitoes there. Some suspect that they cross bred with croc&apos;s. They all hang out in the restrooms down by the river and it gets really perverted there.
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    <published>2007-08-31T01:05:36Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2007-08-30</title>
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        Okay, the Merk4 looks like a Sheridan, but if it&apos;s that tough, why did the crew have to protect it from mosquitoes with that bigazz net? 
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    <published>2007-08-30T23:45:49Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-08-30</title>
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        Maggie - if the Senator did what was alleged, he wasn&apos;t soliciting to go somewhere like a hotel room, he was soliciting for right then and there.

;^ )

As for the rest of your story... &quot;I have no recollection of those events...&quot;
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    <published>2007-08-30T23:31:41Z</published>
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        <![CDATA[<em>You are the one who sent me into a men's room in Seattle.</em>

Perhaps he mistakenly thought it was the Ladies' Room (it *was* Seattle, after all -- hard to tell the difference, at times).

Or perhaps the Ladies' Room was *full* and he offered to stand guard while you used the Mens' Room.

Or perhaps he just wanted to see how many guys you'd come out with.

Or if you'd come out sometime within the same 24-hour period...]]>
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    <published>2007-08-30T22:12:46Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Maggie on 2007-08-30</title>
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        Strikes me, Maggie, that you probably want the law changed to where hitting on the guy in the next stall in a public restroom isn&apos;t illegal.

Are you telling me that it is currently illegal?  Holy smokes!  If the law allows you to be arrested for *suggesting* you are interested in sex with another adult....hell, yes!  I want it changed.

BTW, what will we charge you with?  You are the one who sent me into a men&apos;s room in Seattle.
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    <published>2007-08-30T22:03:15Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-08-30</title>
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        Strikes me, Maggie, that you probably want the law changed to where hitting on the guy in the next stall in a public restroom isn&apos;t illegal.

I can live with that.

I&apos;m just saying that if I got selected for the jury, absent knowing anything more than what was in the police report and the Senator&apos;s public statements, he wouldn&apos;t want me on his jury.

That said - one wonders how much and how blatant the activity was that the Minneapolis police/airport authority felt the need to put undercover vice cops in the latrines.


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    <published>2007-08-30T20:38:21Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Maggie on 2007-08-30</title>
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        <![CDATA[Re: Senator Craig.

1st, he is a nitwit.  2nd, he should resign.  3rd, yes this is a perfect example of how the two different parties operate.  4th, I know only what I have read on the internet.

Now that we have those disclaimers out of the way.....

Senator Craig <strong>would</strong> want me on his jury.  

IMO, this was a baseless arrest.  The man was unjustly arrested.  What law prevents you from hitting on another adult male (if that is what he was doing and I'll concede he probably was)?  
Did the Senator verbally solicit a sex act?  Not that I can see.  
Did the undercover officer state that non-verbal contact was unwanted?  Not that I can see, so that leaves out harrassment.  
Did the undercover officer appear underage?  Not that I could see.  
Did the Senator expose himself?  Was he seen by anyone else?  Not that I have read.

IMO, that police officer jumped the gun.  Not only would I have encouraged Senator Craig to fight this, I would further have called for an investigation of this officer in particular and that police department in general.  Clearly there was an abuse of the process by people who knew that were dealing with a class of accused who were very unlikely to fight back.  

This does not mean that Senator Craig's actions were smart, or honorable.  But his mistakes do not excuse the actions of the officer.]]>
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    <published>2007-08-30T19:35:27Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from MajMike on 2007-08-30</title>
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        dang if that ain&apos;t exactly what it does look like...

..and i would know, having put on a couple pounds meself!
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    <published>2007-08-30T13:53:31Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2007-08-30</title>
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        I cruz in mah white truck.... 
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