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            <title>H&amp;I Fires* 28 Aug 2007</title>
            <description>Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That&apos;s only polite. You&apos;re advertising here, we should get an ad at your place... *********************************** I gotta admit, my visceral reaction to reality TV is... &quot;bleah!&quot; And the Kid Nation one, based on the ads, looked to be a new low. Mary Hamm disagrees, and provides a useful example of why one should take care when ranting in the age of Google - especially if you haven&apos;t taken the time...</description>
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            <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2007-08-30</title>
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                Ry, the Georgia Piedmont accent of my Dad&apos;s family can be a bit harsh, I admit. Now my Mom&apos;s family&apos;s Mississippi accent is such that they can get at least 2.3 syllables into anything a DY would call a syllable.

 If you were sentenced to death by a Mississippi judge, you would weep; not at the prospect of imminent death, but from aesthetic admiration for the slow mellifluous and euphonious way he would have said, &quot;...hanged by your neck until you are dead, and may God have mercy on your soul.&quot;


I think I may have just figured out how Trent Lott has managed to get away with all he has done. I always liked Haley Barbour better, anyway
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            <pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:43:53 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2007-08-30</title>
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                Boq, that looks like a pic of a *Canada* goose! I know that they sometimes refuse to go home in the Summer because silly people indulge them (yeah, ethercat, I&apos;m talking about you) but they&apos;re not necessarily representative of SC culture.

Can Cap&apos;n H help us out here? With goose recipes? Best goose loads for one&apos;s gun?

(I must confess I do, hate stepping in their poo.)
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            <pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:21:28 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from Boquisucio on 2007-08-29</title>
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                <![CDATA[I for one don't care where Am'rica is; for I know VERY well where her <strong><a href="http://www.creeksidesc.com/" rel="nofollow">GOOSE CREEK</a></strong> is. :@()]]>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:10:42 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from ry on 2007-08-28</title>
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                <![CDATA[<blockquote>Gotta get the trash out. No, that doesn't mean you, Ry.</blockquote>
Huh?  You getting lenient in your dottage or something?  I usually have to tunnel back in or bribe the interior guard with fresh tuna.  

Well, at least us Californians actually pronounce, like, every syllable in a word instead of just a few we happen to like, JTG.;)(Gawd, someone get me out of this state, pronto.  Please?) Besides, she still had enough twang to know she wasn't from The Valley or any other part of CA.
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            <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:41:50 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from BillT on 2007-08-28</title>
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                Whaddya know. Cassie shows up and *John* starts flouncing.

What&apos;s next, Cass doing a five-parter titled, &quot;Inter-Bellum Aiming Circles of the Sub-Saharan Military&quot;...?
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            <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:12:42 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from BillT on 2007-08-28</title>
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                I *still* think she said, &quot;Osama people in the country don&apos;t have maps.&quot;

A transparent hint to the folks at Rand-McNally that they didn&apos;t kick in enough to Barry&apos;s war chest...
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            <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:18:12 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2007-08-28</title>
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                Now, it might be tricky to identify the rectangular states on a map, but my fifth-grade teacher told us, &quot;Nebraska looks like a bus.&quot;

Oh, and I do wish that silly bimbo actually talked like a South Carolina girl. She sounded like the most revolting kind of Valley Girl with that California accent she was using.

Made her seem even dumber, y&apos;know?
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            <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:28:01 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from MajMike on 2007-08-28</title>
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                true all, and i concur.

and i have given names of who SHOULD have been standing alongside him in the docket.

i still lean toward the gov&apos;t having tanked the case.
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            <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:35:10 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-08-28</title>
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                MajMik e- Au contraire - he was accused, he went before a Court, presented his side of the story... and was acquitted of the worst charges, and got tagged on the &quot;saver&quot; the government had larded into it.

Having sat on Courts Martial panels before - if they deliberated for 7 hours, there was a lot of talking, diagramming, dissecting and searching for an answer going on - and it sounds like the government didn&apos;t prove it&apos;s major case.

Which just goes to show that the possibly the wrong people stood in the dock - and LTC Jordan should have just been slammed in his OERs.

Unlike some officers who got slammed in their OERs, or who got Non-Judicial punishment.

It just further highlights that the chain-of-command was broken at Abu Ghraib, and that LTG Sanchez, who lost his shot at a fourth star, and Colonel Karpinski, who lost her star, failed in their responsibilities, if not to the level of &quot;provable in court negligence.&quot;

For the same reason that it&apos;s easy to snag little hoods, but not get the Al Capones they work for expcept through tax evasion - the higher up the chain you go in a situation like this, the harder it is to pin a criminal culpability, and the &quot;correction&quot; has to come via professional accountability, and most of the officers involved have suffered in that regard.

Yeah, I think we let senior people skate in ways we shouldn&apos;t, but I think in this case, everything was so muddy, we got about the best outcome we could ask for.

Assuming the government just didn&apos;t tank it&apos;s case.

And we took a far harder look at it than most other militaries in similar situations would have.

The outcome wasn&apos;t perfect, but the lesson is there for the future.
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            <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:19:55 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-08-28</title>
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                <![CDATA[<em>They make tutus in khaki?</em>

Actually, they're purple.  To celebrate the diversity of 'jointness'...]]>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:01:48 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from MajMike on 2007-08-28</title>
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                <![CDATA[new story out now, and John ain't gonna like the lack of "scalp"age involved...

<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294929,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294929,00.html</a>

split verdict on LTC Jordan.]]>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:43:04 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from Dean Esmay on 2007-08-28</title>
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                I&apos;m surprised they still are running with that ammo story. Bizarre.
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            <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:16:09 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from AFSister on 2007-08-28</title>
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                On John, tutu&apos;s only come in &quot;tacky&quot;... not &quot;khaki&quot;.
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            <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:36:37 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from Maggie on 2007-08-28</title>
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                They make tutus in khaki?
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            <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:34:15 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-08-28</title>
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                Yeah, you *don&apos;t* want me to post that video again...
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            <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:37:51 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from AFSister on 2007-08-28</title>
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                Well, at least he&apos;s flouncing in a huff and not a tutu this time.

John in a tutu is *not* a pretty sight.
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            <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:32:14 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-08-28</title>
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                Me!  In a huff! [which will bring Bill in for a snark...]
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            <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:14:59 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from Maggie on 2007-08-28</title>
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                **As proof no one reads anything around here, and just looks at the pictures - not *one* Canuckistanian commented on the props I gave them yesterday. [flounce!]**

Clarification please.  Who is flouncing here?

*The Princess puts her hands close to her face....getting ready to cover here eyes, if necessary*


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            <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:09:01 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from MajMike on 2007-08-28</title>
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                re: the Brit father/son team.

there&apos;s something to be said for the Regimental system...
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