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Guns for Reeboks...

I'm neutral on the whole gun-exchange program thing, as long as the exchanges aren't *prompting* theft by jerks who go stealing guns in order to get stuff - hence, I tend to prefer item exchanges to cash payment programs.

And, if people have guns laying around they want to get rid of, are afraid of, and aren't willing to take 'em down to a dealer or pawn shop - hey, it's better than them sitting in the trash.

Two people, both readers, sent me links to this story about a recent exchange event in Orlando - where people gave up some expensive weapons (but hey, they may have stolen them at some point, too) and of course, got some *interesting* stuff, too.

My high school bud Kevin sent me the link lamenting the collectables that were turned in and will be destroyed, such as the 1903 Colt or the M1-A rifle.

Another reader, himself a blogger, Parrothead Jeff, sent the link and a link to his blogpost on the subject, Reeboks for MANPADS.

Jeff provides an unintended opportunity for me... stories like this, and his blogpost about it, are why I exist.

I’m not of the mind that “taking guns off the street” is going to make the streets all that much safer. I personally believe that if people want one, they’re going to get it - legally or illegally. Missile launchers are another thing entirely. This is good to have off the streets especially since neither the guy who brought it in nor the people who took it off his hands seem to have a clue about it.

Now this is where I come in... context!

Looking at the picture that accompanied the article - that's a TOW missile container, I believe - and the way that Sergeant is holding it indicates to me the container is empty - the government sells things like that surplus. To make it useful again, you need a launcher, a sight, and... a missile.

I'm guessing from the article and the picture that the local LEOs knew it was empty - though it would appear no one knows what it really was.

The point isn't to score a knowledge gloat - the point is that reading the article, and Jeff's post on the article - you leave with a completely different picture of the item than I did.

Nothing wrong with Jeff's post, based on the info the newspaper provided. But look at the take-away Jeff had from the article.

It's stuff like this, how the mis-information propagates, that makes my life as a collector more difficult - with good intentions all around - and is part of what drove me into blogging.

I actually get questions like that all the time - people send me whatziss' in the mail. And two or three times, I've also gotten what were pretty transparent trolling attempts by LEOs to see if I would either bite on acquiring something illegal, or would give advice on *how* to acquire or dispose of things illegally.

The fact that I'm still here will tell you how I answer - and how I answer even when it isn't an obvious attempt to trap me.

20 Comments

regardles.. you have to admit two things: 1. trading guns for shoes is extremely creative! 2. it's pretty damn funny that he brought a missle launcher to a gun exchange, and that he had tried other ways of getting rid of it but no one would take it.
 
AFSis - once the missile has been launched, the only thing left on the tube is the contact for the guidance wire and the (pretty destroyed) wiring disk. Dunno why the guy couldn't get rid of it -- it's perfect for keeping rakes upright in the corner of the garage...
 
Hee! I use mine to hold fence t-posts...
 
Disposable missiles that can't be disposed... hrm.
 
Hiya, Ymar! No problem disposing of the missile -- just hang it on the nearest launcher and squirt it at that tank crashing through the neighbor's fence or that pesky sniper popping in and out of a cave. [Note: not intended for use against snipers lurking in somnolent volcanoes] Problem lies in disposing of the tube. Folks who don't normally hang around with Uniforms think everything painted OD will go *boom* if you look at it crosseyed -- kinda like Grim splitscreening...
 
Looking crosseyed like Grim splitscreening, not going *boom* like Grim splitscreening. Oooog. A Horse Lord going *boom* -- *there's* a visual for you...
 
John, Thanks for the email reply and for this post - both have been just what I hoped you'd provide - context and vastly superior knowledge! I knew it wasn't a Stinger - got acquainted with the Captive Flight Trainer for that at the MCAS Miramar airshow - but aside from the Stinger, I confess that one tube looks a lot like another. Those covers on the ends were one of the things that tripped me up on the fired vs. live issue. Military aircraft are more my area of interest.
It's stuff like this, how the mis-information propagates, that makes my life as a collector more difficult - with good intentions all around - and is part of what drove me into blogging.
I can understand about media and misconceptions - I was in high power rocketry for quite a while. You get some raised eyebrows when you carry around a 3" x 36" cardboard tube with plywood fins and a plastic nose cone, even if it is painted as loudly and as brightly as a NASCAR race car and there's nothing in the bottom end.
Dunno why the guy couldn't get rid of it -- it's perfect for keeping rakes upright in the corner of the garage...
Sounds about right to me! Thanks again and keep up the good work! Jeff
 
Doh! Sorry for the double post. A correction has been posted over on my blog along with an apology for assisting in making John's collecting more difficult. Thanks again guys!
 
I heard this on the radio yesterday and was blown away (no pun intended). Now that I have the context, it's not quite so shocking. Amusing, yes. But not shocking.
 
Those covers on the ends were one of the things that tripped me up on the fired vs. live issue. The covers are only there to keep the missile snug until it's party time, Jeff. Loosen the retaining screw, flip off the clamp and no more cover. Sojer-proof, too. You can't load the launcher with the covers still in place -- although it's been tried...
 
The article has been updated to pretty clearly say that it was *not* a missile, or indeed anything more dangerous than a "carrying case." They've changed the headline, the photo caption, and added a correction to the beginning of the article. Not that that undoes any of the damage caused by the original misinformation, but at least they've fixed it...
 
Andy - the "Army of David's" does it's work once again! Heh. I've *offered* to help CNN and AFP and AP with this sort of stuff - but they don't care, really.
 
Went to read the updated article - they acknowledge it up front, and don't try to sneak it in like some outlets do. Good on 'em. My services as a consultant on the issue of ordnance are *still* available... though admittedly, if the police told 'em, well, they thought they *had* the expert answer. Police knowledge on this subject is very spotty. Some LEO EOD people know this stuff cold - but many don't know it as well as they think they do - especially if it's older stuff. We had fun, anyway!
 
We had fun, anyway! The LEA folks had mixed emotions, from the tenor of the article. They got to see memorabilia and collectibles but *not* what they were looking for -- the gats the gangbangers use. A fifty-buck coupon for cheap-sneaks isn't going to tempt a scuzzbucket to turn in his nine-hundred dollar persuader. They probably got some kid-tempters out of people's closets, though...
 
Problem lies in disposing of the tube. Folks who don't normally hang around with Uniforms think everything painted OD will go *boom* if you look at it crosseyed -- kinda like Grim splitscreening... Yes, last time that happened I think a star went nova. Heh. I've *offered* to help CNN and AFP and AP with this sort of stuff - but they don't care, really. Well, John, maybe you're just too high class for them to afford. Their warfare mandates that they try to acquire munitions from a Scott Thomas Beau type, given the pricing.
 
Bill- I know the launcher's pretty much useless after it's used... which is why I brought up the "I can't believe he couldn't get rid of it" comment. But come on... you have to admit that bringing a launcher to a gun exchange is kinda like bringing a Sherman tank to a antique car show. "neener, neener... mine's kewler than yours!" It's cool how the "Army of Davids" took care of this story!
 
Actually, Sis, bringing a TOW tube to a gun exchange is like bringing a dog sled to an auto show -- minus the Huskies. The guy who traded the tube for the sneaks got the best of the deal...
 
Folks who don't normally hang around with Uniforms think everything painted OD will go *boom* if you look at it crosseyed -- Well, they will go boom if you are a jihadist firing mortars and called out to Allah, and Allah smited you causze he was pissarsed. Link
 
Manlaw Question! When Ymarsakar leaves a link to his post, which in turn links to Uncle Jimbo's post which has an embedded link to a jihadi self-destructing with a mortar... that *I* embedded in this post - is that a Manlaw Violation? Hmmm. I guess not. Jimbo got there first. Okay.
 
JoA! Stop that Sir, pleez! You are messing with my mind, making my brain hurt, sticking the cyber-icepick through my eye socket and waving it around in there! Please explain this silliness! (Only yours, of course; nobody can explain my silliness.)