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  <title>Comments for Congresswoman Boyda and her now-famous walk.</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2007-08-02T12:52:18Z</published>
    <updated>2008-01-14T21:02:45Z</updated>
    <title>Congresswoman Boyda and her now-famous walk.</title>
    <summary>Coming in to work yesterday was interesting - I had voicemail from Representative Nancy Boyda - mostly about our upcoming veteran&apos;s/military group meeting next week, but a little bit about her &quot;walk-out&quot; during the testimony of General (ret) Keane at the HASC committee meeting. Uncle Pavian over at West Neanderthal Drive has a wrap-up of the incident and the coverage it&apos;s received in the press, along with some... commentary on the subject. Leavenworth Centurion, retired warrior, fellow rural denizen, and occasional commenter here was so fired up about it that he hit me up for contact information, which, with permission,...</summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Coming in to work yesterday was interesting - I had voicemail from Representative Nancy Boyda - mostly about our upcoming veteran's/military group meeting next week, but a little bit about her "walk-out" during the testimony of General (ret) Keane at the HASC committee meeting. <strong><a href="http://westneanderthaldrive.blogspot.com/2007/08/nancy-boyda-watch-8107.html"> Uncle Pavian over at West Neanderthal Drive has a wrap-up of the incident and the coverage it's received in the press, along with some... commentary on the subject.</a></strong></p>

<p>Leavenworth Centurion, retired warrior, fellow rural denizen, and occasional commenter here was so fired up about it that he hit me up for contact information, which, with permission,  I provided and his email chat with her staff resulted in a personal call to him from Representative Boyda.</p>

<p>The Centurion's email to me, full of the colorful imagery we routinely fling at each other is below:</p>

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<p>John,<br />
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We have beaten to quarters, run out our guns, ported our helm, and are bearing up.  I intend to rake her by the stern.  I have the weather guage.<br />
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[Leavenworth Centurion]<br />
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My note is below.  I will hit send before I go to lunch, your comments are welcome<br />
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<p>Dear Doug,  [This would be Ms. Boyda's Legislative Director, Doug Matties - a fine fellow in all regards, politics aside]</p>

<p>With your kind permission, I received your email address from a friend, John Donovan.</p>

<p>The Associated Press has quoted Ms. Boyda as saying by way of an explanation for walking out of a committee hearing during testimony by retired General Jack Keane, "there was only so much that you could take."</p>

<p>These are my sentiments exactly.  But, what I can no longer take is the political rhetoric coming from the Leadership of the Democrat Party, and now from my own representative.  Nancy may be tough, but if she is listening to Senator Reid and Speaker Pelosi, she is also profoundly ignorant of what is going on in Iraq at both the tactical and operational level.  Like many in the retired military community, have friends, colleagues, and family who have served and are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan .  I can sort the wheat from the chaff amongst the press reports, the official military releases and feedback from trusted and knowledgeable sources.</p>

<p>What Jack Keane said is what many of my ilk can also report.  There is a profound change in the conduct and nature of the war at the tactical level.  The signs are clear and unequivocal.   The only way that the insurgents can achieve victory is if our politicians hand it to them on a silver platter.  I have no doubt that is exactly what the Democrat Party intends to do.   Their political strategy is transparent:  profit politically by engineering a defeat for the United States .  I am glad to know that Ms. Boyda is now a full participant in that strategy, for it will steel my opposition to her.</p>

<p>Many, including myself, have been sharply critical of the way that this war has been fought over the past five years, and the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the President and the former Secretary of Defense.  But, we cannot let their mistakes lead us to an even bigger mistake.  Can anyone who advocates surrender (for that is exactly what a withdrawal short of our goals will mean) provide a credible and plausible scenario of the positive consequences of that action.  If Ms Boyda can offer one up, she will be the first in her party to do so.</p>

<p>This war can be won, and we must show the political will to do so.</p>

<p>Respectfully,</p>

<p>[Leavenworth Centurion]<br />
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<p>He later reported out on his conversation with Nancy, when she called him later that day:</p>

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<p>Cordial, but not worth much.  She apparently doesn't like criticism from people who appear before her committees.  Jack Keane said that schools were open, markets are busy, and that people are going about their daily lives in Bagdhad.  This she knows to be a lie.  Exactly how she knows this, she did not make clear.<br />
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Says that she is just trying to have an honest conversation about what to do in Iraq.  I believe that was my complaint - her leadership is doing exactly the opposite, refusing to have an honest conversation. So we talked past each other.  Didn't impress me with either being well informed or well spoken on the issue.  Cited Article 8 of the Constitution regarding Congress' role in regulating the Army and Navy - seems to think that warfighting is done by regulation and policy.<br />
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<p>In her voicemail to me, she basically said "Let's not over-react to partisan political rhetoric." </p>

<p>My point remains - while Leavenworth Centurion and Uncle Pavian may not be in a part of the district electorate that she can really expect to win over as a Democrat, the views they express *are* representative of the chunk of the center of the electorate who gave her the victory last November, and who's sensitivities on the issues of Iraq and the larger GWOT she needs to be mindful of.  Her hard-core base, who probably ate the stuff up, aren't the slice of her electorate that may switch back to a Republican candidate, if she's going to give us Daily Kos moments of political theater - whether it was her intention to do so, or no.  In human interaction, perspective is reality, and an objective truth is essentially a philosophical construct (i.e., the "if a tree falls in the woods, and no hears it does it make a noise" example).</p>

<p>And the real crux, from the political perspective - is that the truth of the matter as she believes it to be matters not - as it's the appearance of the matter, as expressed in such mainstream media outlets such as the WSJ, WashTimes, and, more damaging for her in the district, the KC Star, not just the blogs.  That's what the electorate are going to take away from this event.</p>

<p>I don't know if this will be an item of discussion in the formal meeting, as there are numerous veteran's and general military issues and such on the table, but I'm willing to bet, if her schedule has the time in it - it will at least get discussed off-line by the gaggle of retired senior leaders and at least one mid-level retiree-who-blogs - Jack Keane, as Leavenworth Centurion observes, is widely respected in the military community as a straight-shooter, not a political shill - and deserves a respectful hearing, even if it seemingly doesn't match your pre-conceived notions.</p>

<p>But Uncle Pavian is correct - her handling of this does constitute a test of her ability and political agility.  It's interesting having a ring-side seat to the theater, to, um, badly mix metaphors.<br />
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    <title>Comment from David M on 2007-08-03</title>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2007-08-02</title>
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        And oh, Marine6, I reckon you know that the closest Jack Aubrey came to death, in all of the novels, was the wound from a rifle ball fired by a US Marine?

Yup, almost killing Jack Aubrey is something no-one else was able to do, not the French, not The Doctor, not The Dutch, not the Random Incompetent Highwayman, not STDs, not jealous boyfriends, not nobody, just some Marine rifleman.

Snork.  No, really. Y&apos;all almost got him, nobody else came anywhere near so close!
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    <published>2007-08-02T21:52:47Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2007-08-02</title>
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        Bearing up is no way to act, if you think you have a chance in the fight. It means putting the wind behind you and running off to leeward. Dacres did a lot of that in Java, versus Constitution. 

As someone said to Jack Aubrey in the novel, during that fight, &quot;I have no notion of all this wearing.&quot;

Luff up for a good broadside; if yer good, you won&apos;t get stuck in stays, and can unload the other side on &apos;em!
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    <published>2007-08-02T21:36:46Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Marine6 on 2007-08-02</title>
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        Like most Democrats in Washington she seems to have a closed mind on the question of what&apos;s actually happening in Iraq. It should come as no shock that Rep. James E. Clyburn - the third ranking Democrat in the House of Representatives -and an important memeber of the Democratic Party Leadership in the House - was quoted this week as saying that a positive report from General Petraeus &quot;would be trouble for us.&quot; To paraphrase another Democrat, It depends on what the definition of us is.

And, by the way, you might suggest to your representative that she really ought to read the Constitution. The powers of the Congress are enumerated in ARTICLE I of the Constitution. And she should probably review Article II which states, in part, &quot;The President shall be the Commander in Chief of the Army and the Navy of the United States.&quot; 

Marine6 Sends
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    <published>2007-08-02T20:53:57Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from kat-missouri on 2007-08-02</title>
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        Well, frankly, I thought the little prancing move was juvenile and petulant, not particularly the moves of a leader pondering a very important question.  

&quot;theater&quot; best describes it.  Frankly, I am surprised that Boyda did that, though I understand that she is taking her cues from from the Democrat leadership, I am thinking that someone&apos;s assessment is correct: that type of action is pandering to the rabid anti-war folks since your average citizen sees it for what it is - theater.

Of course, congress these days is looking more and more like kabuki theater with over exaggerated emotions painted on their faces, fake sword fights and paper dragons.  

Most days, I wonder how citizens could vote any of these people in.  Boyda&apos;s just one of the many. 
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    <title>Comment from Heartless Libertarian on 2007-08-02</title>
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        Tell Ms Boyda that she shouldn&apos;t go in for half-measures, fence-stradling, and mealy-mouthedness.

If she&apos;s going to throw in with the dKos/McGovernite crowd, she should go all the way and start doing photo ops with Murtha, McDermott, et al.

The grunt language version is in email, as it most likely violates the Rulez.
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    <title>Comment from FbL on 2007-08-02</title>
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        Well said, Centurian.  Thank you for both taking the time to speak up and for saying so well what I have been thinking on this topic.

At the moment I am taking comfort in the fact that there seems to be a building wave of change in how the major media are reporting on Iraq this last week.  Let&apos;s hope their sudden &quot;discovery&quot; that things are actually improving in Iraq and that a pullout would be disastrous for both them and us isn&apos;t just a passing fad on their part.
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-08-02</title>
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        Jim - understanding where you&apos;re coming from, I&apos;ve dealt with both Ms. Boyda and Mr. Moore.

While I&apos;m not campaigning for Boyda - I&apos;m glad she&apos;s my Rep and not Mr. Moore.  I share your opinion on Mr. Moore.
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    <title>Comment from Rita on 2007-08-02</title>
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        Mrs. Boyda ought to get her head out of her arse and just listen to what General Keane has to say. Why are the Democrats so blinded by their egos, and why do they continue to be one-sided? To understand the situation in Iraq you need to keep an open view of the discussion, and you have to be willing to listen to suggestions from &quot;professionals&quot;, and make a fair and balanced decision. It really urks me when politicans think they are God-like and look down on us citizens and &quot;think&quot; they know the right answers. Or they just don&apos;t know, and they are constantly brain dead. Whatever happened to the &quot;tarred and feathered&quot; method to ridicule our political representatives? Well, it is time to write up that law. It is pure hatred of this administration from the Democrats that has them unhinged concerning the Iraqi war, as well as anything involving the current administration. It has so blinded them to the facts,and to the overall picture that they are now walking zombies. I am a registered Democrat, but too tell you the truth I really am disgusted with them and plan on voting Independent. Just give me a bucket of hot tar and some feathers, I will be happy.
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    <title>Comment from jim b on 2007-08-02</title>
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        I believe Ms Boyda is another Moore.

I believe them both to be Moonbats and to do what the Pelosi leadership calls them to do.

I would like to introduce them both to another life option ... called Career.com.

It&apos;s time for them to Redeploy to another occupation.
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