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The New Republic and "Scott Thomas."

I've not been ignoring this story, though, admittedly, I've been busy.

Besides, others, with better sources and more time, have covered it already. We'll get to them in a moment.

The real horror here is how the media and the medium shape the perception. Just as Oliver Stone's movie, "Platoon" and Stanley Kubrick's "Full Metal Jacket" defined what many people perceived as the experience (and values) of all soldiers in Vietnam, where everything bad that ever happened happens to a single platoon in two hours, so, too, the writings of "Scott Thomas" have the potential to be the next "Winter Soldiers" type of generational smear, where (if we accept them at face value) the scattered incidents of bizarre behavior morph into the face of a generation of soldiers in the popular imagination.

I don't think that's as likely to happen here - the media, thanks to the Internet is much more varied and diverse, and there are many many voices out there pointing out how things are different from those portrayals.

But the "Scott Thomas" stuff reads like the fevered imaginings of someone who really really really wants it to be true, because it fits the filter they want to see the world through.

But there are things throughout the "Scott Thomas" stuff that fall like lead weights on my experience... but others have covered those:

Like the Democracy Project on the "Chasing Dogs with Bradleys" assertion.

Cassandra, at Villainous Company, runs with the Winter Soldier Redux meme - and I gotta tell ya, the whole "melted face" thing just rings so false in my ear from how I've seen soldiers treat fellow soldiers with horrific wounds. And I've spent time amongst wounded soldiers, both as a kid, when I spent a week on an amputee ward at Fitzsimmons Army Hospital in Denver, and later through my military career.

I've heard carp like that (or read about it in aviator memoirs of WWII pilots who were hideously burned) from... *civilians* with no experience of war, but never a soldier. Not saying it can't happen, or hasn't happened - just that it isn't very likely to happen. And the perpetrator is likely to find themselves a casualty of "barracks justice" in the form of a blanket party or worse.

Then there's the New Republic itself.

Bob Owens of Confederate Yankee, with his "Two questions for the New Republic."

My contribution to this is simple. I went to my bookshelf. The 30 linear feet or so of reference material I have on firearms and ammunition.

And tried to figure out "square-backed" 9mm ammunition - and how that related to Glock pistols. Because that's who "Scott Thomas" decided that a massacre scene he happened upon had to have been perpetrated by Iraqi police. "Square-backed" 9mm shell-casings that are unique to Glock pistols, which, according to "Thomas," only the Iraqi police carry.

I know of two total types of ammo in which the word "square" could be applied (leaving aside "square weight" as used for separate loading artillery ammunition).

The Puckle Gun, an early flintlock attempt at a Gatling-style mechanical machine gun, which proposed round bullets for use against Christian troops and square bullets for use against the Ottoman Turks. No casings here, just bullets.

The second is the experimental Heckler and Koch G11 Advanced Combat Rifle, which used a revolutionary (and ultimately unsuccessful) caseless round which was... square in cross-section - but, being caseless, didn't eject a... casing, square-backed or otherwise.

People are still working on the concept - though the tendency is to go for round casings - oddly enough, square caseless rounds, because they have corners, have a tendency to get damaged along the corner edges. See a 2005 brief on DoD caseless ammo efforts here.

There are lots of reasons, ease of loading and handling, as well as the physics of barrels and chambers, that bullets and their casings are... round, vice square, except for the exotics like the G11.

So, perhaps "Thomas" meant a different feature.

Primers? Nope. No square primers. Makes assembling the cartridge a pain.

Perhaps the rim and extractor groove? The SAAMI-standard 9mm round (for which Glock chambers it's barrels and designs its extractors) has an extractor groove which is square to the base, but has a slope from the edge of the casing body to the bottom of the extractor groove.

Such as these examples at Cartridge Collectors. None of my references anywhere - and I've got current books on all the ammo being made in the world today and most of the obsolete ammo - show anything that might be construed as "square-backed" ammo.

That leaves headstamp markings. There are some headstamps that incorporate a square. But one wouldn't naturally refer to those as "square-backed" - at least not anyone I've ever talked to, like a soldier, who has a passing familiarity with ammunition.

Just sayin'.

Update: The subject continues in the comments - worth reading.

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As Murtha's Haditha "massacre" looks more and more like a Jenin event, it's not surprising that journalists like Scott Thomas scramble to create yet another bogus American "atrocity" fantasy to push their agenda. We can expect more extreme examples of this as The Surge continues to succeed, and anti-war Leftists become more desperate as their political focus on "failure" and "defeat" is jeopardized.
 
John, Do you know about the Royal Navy's aborted volley gun of the late 18th century early 19th century vintage. It was seven half-inch barrels arrayed so that one flintlock spark discharged all of them simultaneously. The weapon was supposed to fired from the rigging to clear the enemy deck. The kick was so great that most men were not big enough to handle it and some were pushed out of the rigging by the kick. So only about 600 were made and they never caught on. It is probably more famous for being Sergeant Patrick Harper's weapon in the Sharpe series of novels by Bernard Cornwell. They are superb historical fiction.
 
I agree with fdcol. Don Henley said it best in the 80's with the song Dirty laundry. Crap sells. And if you can't find crap, then make up crap. War is not just a chance for hero's to rise from the trenches to slay the enemy in glory, but it's also a chance for the vermin to profit upon their names, for Pultizers and other awards for writing things that never happened, or twisting the way it was. But then, looking at our modern education systems...we can't really ask where it is they learned to do that at.....
 
being generous here in attempting to decipher the meandering "thoughts" of Thomas, but it might be possible that he is referring to the back of a round having a "squared off" profile, vice "boat tail". other than that, i gots nuthin...
 
That would be Nock's Volley Gun, I believe, Jim. And since you bring up Patrick Harper...
   
MajMike - Master Thomas was referring to casings, not bullets - and all standard pistol-caliber bullets are like that, not just 9mm. Here's Bob Owen's bit that focuses on that issue. Thomas clearly states "casing."
 
Well, I do have a thought on "Square-backed" rounds from a Glock- Glocks have a rectangular "firing pin" (actually a striker) indentation. If you had vaguely heard about that and weren't actually familiar with firearms, you might morph "square firing pin indentation" into "squared-back" inside your mind while you were creating your fabrications.....
 
Karl brings up the last thing I was going to check, having only fired a Glock once, and not taken one apart - mainly because I don't like 'em very much. And that could well be the source of the characterization - though for an alleged combat Infantryman, it's odd terminology.
 
Here's a website that discusses the Glock firing pin dent (which you have to scroll down a bit for). If we accept Karl's thesis - which is certainly plausible - my scepticism remains unassuaged, as the terminology used in the "Thomas" article sounds more like someone whose heard stuff from other people, but doesn't truly understand himself, and then writes about it - just those sorts of things that gripe us soldiers and historians when we watch movies and read novels. In other words, absent better proof from TNR, I still think "Thomas" while he may be an extant individual, is writing a composite story - see my example of "Platoon" - and TNR is letting it stand as "normal" for in-theater behavior.
 
I cheated- I thought I remembered that and went to the collection to look- and sure enough. I don't like em either, or really any double action only design. Especially since every 3rd or 4th spent shell bounces off my forehead with mine...
 
Must be that Large Cranium getting in the way...
 
Ho ho. It's just temporarily swelled by FINALLY knowing something about firearms that you didn't... I will treasure this moment forever. Heh heh heh.
 
Snerk! Nowhere near as hard to stump me on New Stuff. If it ain't 50 or so years old or older, I ain't interested in it. Right SWWBO? [Ooooo - double-entendre!]
 
... As John hijacks his own thread ;-)
 
We may be very close to identifying "Scott Thomas" as someone who actually IS a soldier in Iraq. An officer from FOB Falcon has written a letter to Blue Star Chronicles, saying there are threads of truth to Thomas' writings (i.e. the "mass grave" was actually a cememtary).
 
...which would make the Winter Soldier or simple fabulist angle more likely. But would at least take some of the stink off of TNR.
 
JD Johannes over at Outside the Wire said the same thing. Some parts are true but sounds like everything else someone has taken "literary license" with. In which case, I don't think it takes the stink off of anything. Still, what I was really hoping was that it was total BS because this guy probably has just got himself, his buds and his command in some hot water considering the things that he admits to and, even if not true, still gets them in trouble for coloring outside the lines so to speak.
 
Kat - by "some of the stink" I mean TNR may have done some pro-forma fact-checking, and not gone too deeply, simply because the story confirms what they want to think anyway - vice deliberately and consciously putting forth a fabrication.
 
The author of this story is a bad apple. He is trying to get attention by telling wild stories. He too will be identified and removed from the service. Respectfully, U.S. Army Officer
as I was saying...
 
and following up...Mr. Thomas (Hunter Thomas wannabe? anybody else pick up on that interesting coincidence?) has opened up a can of worms that he is probably ill prepared to handle:
4. I immediately notified MAJ Lamb of MND-B PAO, who advised me to send him the link and pertinent information on the New Republic's blog posts, which I did. He informed me of his intent to engage the CENTCOM blog team to see if they could take action, and at the very least, make them aware of the situation. 5. I contacted the only unit in our brigade that has Bradleys, 1-18 IN, and advised their XO of the situation, recommending that they talk to their Soldiers about Army values and the Warrior ethos, reminding them of the rules for blogging in uniform and also reminding them of integrity and telling the truth. The bottom line: If you put something out there you should be willing to put your name next to it and stand by it. That he and New Rpublic are insisting on anonymity is very telling here.
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Who needs cubical bullets, now that we can cause lithium deuteride to become instantaneously incandescent? I'm kinda sorta thinking about entertaining the notion that the problem with large parts of the Middle East is their bad mineral proportions; that is, too much petroleum and not enough trinitite. Hey, sometimes the Alexandrine solution may be the best one. I might think differently later, but like Skippy, I am *so* tired of those A-rabs. All the ones in Iraq have to do is pretend to play nice until we say, "that's nice!" and leave, and then get back to unhindered killin'. They don't seem to have enough patience for that.
 
Sounds like this 'Scott Thomas' is engaging in a load of "Fairbanksing" (easy term to google), a style that is becoming popular at The New Republic. I wonder if Eve Fairbanks, Assistant Editor at TNR, 'edits' his work? Perhaps she actually writes it?
 
Does anyone remember a bit of whimsy from back in the black powder days, an advertisement for a gun that shot round bullets for Christians and square bullets for infidels? I seem to remember seeing this on the back cover of an old copy of American Rifleman.
 
Sounds like this 'Scott Thomas' is engaging in a load of "Fairbanksing" (easy term to google), a style that is becoming popular at The New Republic. I wonder if Eve Fairbanks, Assistant Editor at TNR, 'edits' his work? Perhaps she actually writes it?
 
Thorn - that *was* the Puckle gun!
 
Leave it to the Armorer to be all over the ammo angle :)
 
Now I know that mr. T peed in y'all's wheaties, but is that any reason to use the facts? You vicious meanies, how DARE you look up the TRUTH?!?!?! Dont you know you are supposed to shaddup and take this lying down? Yeah right. Not that the military blogs have EVER shied away from a good fight, but you so totally rock. You could almost be Molly Weasley. *sniff*
 
I don't understand why he is interesting. It sounds like a cheap money spinner to me.
 
I read this story to my father last night. Bless him, he is 87 years old and when I got to the part about the BFV running over the dog, he just about became unglued, simply because for a tank (yes I know it's a Bradley but it is still armored and tracked) to just break the convoy simply wasn't done. He said the SOP would be for the convoy commander/leader (I am not sure about what they are called) to dress down the crew for endangering the mission. Dad is WWII era, so uh, some things don't change. He did say that if Mr. T did indeed exist and the unit found out who it was...he sort of chuckled evilly and let it go at that.