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  <title>Comments for TINS*! There I was...</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2007-06-12T16:29:40Z</published>
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    <title>TINS*! There I was...</title>
    <summary>[Since Bill is about to re-enter the cockpit, it seems a good time to republish this bit of his - which will make some of the Denizen&apos;s comments on Bill&apos;s announcement yesterday take on a clarity for the new readers among us. -the Armorer] Military aviation is an unforgiving vocation -- it&apos;s just as easy to get killed flying the friendly skies as it is flying the hostile ones. The following tale was originally published in Flightfax, Army Aviation&apos;s safety &apos;zine, in September 1997. I&apos;ve added some short notes for clarification purposes, since we don&apos;t have a whole slew of...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>[Since Bill is about to re-enter the cockpit, it seems a good time to republish this bit of his - which will make some of the Denizen's comments on Bill's announcement yesterday take on a clarity for the new readers among us. -the Armorer]</p>

<p>Military aviation is an unforgiving vocation -- it's just as easy to get killed flying the friendly skies as it is flying the hostile ones. The following tale was originally published in <i>Flightfax</i>, Army Aviation's safety 'zine, in September 1997. I've added some short notes for clarification purposes, since we don't have a whole slew of former AH-1F pilots dropping in to visit. Most of it will be in Flash Traffic/Extended Entry, 'cuz John'll get his trousers torqued if I blow the rest of the site out the bottom of your monitor.</p>

<p>The entire flight lasted less than ten minutes. For those of you who need instant gratification, we lived.</p>

<p><b>There I was</b>...in the front seat of a Cobra with a number-one hydraulic system failure, halfway down a 4800-foot runway, doing 50 knots about three inches above the pavement.  Just the normal emergency procedure for this particular situation, with one pesky little difference -- we were flying sideways. </p>

<p>Gee -- glad you asked...<br />
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      <![CDATA[<p>Gary and I were going out to fly some SP [Standardization Instructor Pilot] in the back seat vs. IE [Instrument Flight Examiner] in the front seat training (for me) and a few PARs [Precision Approach, Radar] (for him) -- a mutual beat-each-other-up to keep us honest. We'd flown together for about twenty years and our crew briefing usually consisted of, "We're going out for a Standardization (or Instrument) Evaluation Ride.  You know the maneuvers we'll be doing -- got any questions?"  "Nope."  "You?"  "Nope."  "Okay -- let's go do it!"  This briefing, though, was a little different, because Gary was now the Honor Graduate of our Flight Facility's second Aircrew Coordination Course [civil equivalent is called Cockpit Resource Management] -- only my extreme modesty prevents me from revealing that I had been his trainer.  After a by-the-book crew briefing, he added, "Let's prebrief two specific emergencies; first, an engine failure at altitude and second, a dual-system hydraulic failure."  After he detailed each pilot's responsibilities for each emergency (again, by the book), he said, "If we do get a failure, I'll fly because I've got that good ol' three-to-one mechanical advantage in the back seat."  I said, "Sounds good -- and if you don't ask for the emergency collective hydraulic pump when we're a mile out on final, I'll announce and then turn it on."  "Okay -- let's go do it!"</p>

<p>To make a short story even shorter, we were five minutes into our flight when a noise like a blender full of gravel caused both of us to shrink a little further down into our armored seats.  I've long-since forgotten the RPM of a cavitating hydraulic pump, but it's a figure only Carl Sagan would comprehend.  Two seconds later, the amok blender was joined by its friends, Messrs. Master Caution and #1 HYD PRESS lights.  [Note:  hydraulic fluid lubricates the pumps, and when a pump loses lubrication, it very shortly thereafter undergoes what the engineers laughingly describe as "catastrophic failure of structural integrity," i.e., it explodes.  It's also located right behind the pilot's head.  A number-one system hydraulic failure in an AH-1F means that your antitorque pedals are now about as movable as an I-beam. Which means that you have a problem keeping the pointy end in the direction you're flying. Which is not a Good Thing.]</p>

<p>As briefed, Gary continued to fly while I read off the checklist.  As briefed, he turned toward a suitable area for a 'run-on landing at a speed of 50 KIAS or higher' -- which just happened to be home-station.  [Note:  there is a cheery blurb in the Emergency Procedures of the operator's manual which states that, as the airspeed decreases to 40 knots, the aircraft becomes uncontrollable and control inputs are futile.]  As briefed, I called Tower, declared an emergency and told the controller we'd be coming in for a run-on landing to the duty runway.  Suddenly, the grinding noise stopped and Gary said that he had normal pedal control back.  While we mulled over this new development, the pump began to cavitate intermittently for several seconds.  Aha!  We were losing fluid, but we hadn't lost all our fluid; the pump was intermittently operational -- bear that in mind for later.  A few seconds later, the pump resumed its annoying cavitation and (again, as briefed) I provided some additional pressure to the appropriate pedal whenever Gary called for an assist in maintaining heading.  We then performed our by-the-book before-landing check -- as briefed.</p>

<p>Cut to final approach (and yes, I had announced, "We're at one mile.  Emergency collective hydraulic pump coming on," and Gary had acknowledged -- as briefed).  "We've got a slight crosswind, Bill -- help me out with some left pedal to straighten out the nose."  "Okay, left pedal coming in " geez, that's stiff -- nose is straight down the centerline.  Approach angle's good, airspeed's at sixty and before-landing check's still valid.  Hold everything until we hit and I think we'll walk away from it, Gar."  We touched down at sixty knots in an impressive display of sparks, smoke and textbook Aircrew Coordination.  As we slid through fifty knots, we came to the intersecting runway, which has a slight crown.  It launched us upward a few inches and we became airborne again -- just as the hydraulic pump stopped cavitating!</p>

<p>Now go back to <b>There I was</b> and reread the rest of the paragraph.  It's okay -- I'll wait...</p>

<p>When the pump grabbed the last few ounces of fluid, several things happened simultaneously:  the nose snapped left ninety degrees, we rolled right about ten degrees, Gary uttered a scatalogical expletive, our airspeed decreased rapidly (due to the 'barn door' effect), we began sinking back to the runway -- and the pump resumed its manic cavitation.  Ooops -- we hadn't briefed this...</p>

<p>I had a nanosecond visual of each of our three options for dying -- <br />
1. either the rotor blades would hit the runway, fling us vertical and five tons of metal and jet fuel would come down on top of us, or<br />
2. the skid would hit and become a pivot, flipping the canopy into the pavement and we'd get abraded from the top of our helmets down to our shoulders, or<br />
3. the stub wing would hit the runway, crush the fuselage and rupture the fuel cell, turning us into a large, open air barbecue.<br />
 -- not a one of 'em appealed to me.</p>

<p>My Aviation Career Objective was now reduced to living through the next three seconds and appeared to be somewhat in jeopardy.</p>

<p>I then did something we *hadn't* briefed; I planted both size-twelves on the right pedal and shoved -- just as Gary hollered, "Right pedal!"  The nose s-l-o-w-l-y reoriented right, the right skid-heel grabbed the runway -- followed rapidly by the rest of the right skid -- and we wobbled down the runway, teetering on one skid for several amusing seconds until the left skid decided to get with the program, too.  We ground to a halt right next to the crash/rescue folks, who gave us a standing ovation for not plowing into them.</p>

<p>We performed a normal shutdown, but it took me three eternities to get two feet unstuck from an area that Bell had designed to accommodate one; my legs deciding to lock in the straight-from-the-hips position didn't help the situation.  One of the asbestos-suiters came over and said that Ops had told them we'd probably "need this" and handed Gary a roll of Charmin.  Glad somebody thought it was funny.</p>

<p>Eighteen months later (almost to the day), after regaling a relatively new Pilot-in-Command with the story, we were on short final to our weed patch and <br />
Guess.What.Happened?</p>

<p>Heh.  "Twitchy Bill," who told you, John?<br />
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    <title>Comment from Richard on 2007-06-13</title>
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        <name>Richard</name>
        
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        East Bay Regional Park Police, 1982

Back seat, me onboard medic, x slick pilot Randy, (Sarg. Parent to me) angels 900, low in the canyons looking at all da purty hills in the &quot;Flyin Gucci bag&quot;(Sand brown paint with wide green and red stripes down the turbine cowl of an X loach 500-E (bought surplus for a buck from the uncle) look down, look up at the tree o-clock....Big...BIG white wings two engine Bonanza cranked hard port and DDDDIIIIVVVVVVING just below my pucker&apos;d web seat with just the right amount of wake turb to ensure post pucker moistness of an unexpected quanity......Randy would always tell me when I brought it up later, &quot;Come-on Rich,&quot; Not even close!&quot;

He would know, 
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    <published>2007-06-13T05:02:32Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Cricket on 2007-06-12</title>
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        Can I open my eyes and peek now? Every time I read one of the TINS I read between my fingers.
I know, I am the duly appointed Castle Wimp.

I KNOW how it ends because one of the participants is alive to tell the tale.

And the html doesn&apos;t work so I can&apos;t ever snark in a refined manner.


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    <published>2007-06-13T01:22:35Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2005-03-25</title>
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        So, should we lobby Congress for sideways ejection seats in hellafloppers?
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    <published>2005-03-25T06:25:36Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Barb on 2005-03-24</title>
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        OK - you got me there!  But you didn&apos;t answer the core question - was there anything worth recovering from the helo?
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    <published>2005-03-25T02:02:13Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2005-03-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[Walked away?!? It's amazing they <i>lived</i>!]]>
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    <published>2005-03-24T04:32:38Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Barb on 2005-03-23</title>
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        Was much of the machine recoverable??  It&apos;s amazing that the guys walked away!!
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    <published>2005-03-23T20:17:44Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2005-03-23</title>
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        I heard about that one--one of my buds was on the recovery mission (the aircraft, not the crew).
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    <published>2005-03-23T14:48:58Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from R. Jewell on 2005-03-23</title>
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        Great thread, I&apos;ll have to stop by more often.  Reminds me of the time in &apos;73 in Germany....CW2 Maint Off liked to use the AH1&apos;s for parts runs (about the only way to get some hours on them) with an EM maint type for front seat ballast.  Ammo bay door dropped open letting a brand new in the box top half UH-1 particle seperator exit the aircraft, taking the tail rotor with it.  Story was they swapped ends from 2000 feet. Finally found CW2 and SP5 somewhat inebriated in the closest gasthaus.  Aaahhh, the good old days!!

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    <published>2005-03-23T13:57:02Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2005-03-22</title>
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        Absolutely correct. Ansbach vs. Mesa, Arizona.
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    <published>2005-03-23T04:18:45Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from J.M. Heinrichs on 2005-03-22</title>
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        &quot;Why Tankers Get Depressed&quot; Not too often, one of my buddies in training (Tank school) was an ex-TOW gunner, and started out on the 106mm Recoiless Rifle. Depends on the infamous &quot;Tactical Situation&quot;.

Cheers
JMH
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    <title>Comment from UtahMan on 2005-03-22</title>
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        Nothing to ruin a tanker&apos;s day like a TOW from the blue...

Thanks Bill!
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    <published>2005-03-22T22:51:28Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2005-03-22</title>
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        Have a seat, kiddo--you&apos;ve got a foot-rub comin&apos;!
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    <title>Comment from MAWK on 2005-03-22</title>
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        Hi Bill!

I&apos;m all done dancing...ready to party!
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2005-03-22</title>
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        <![CDATA[UtahMan - As promised, links to teethy Snakes. No crossed sabres, but the triangle (or circle or square) on the sail (fairing over the tranny) is a line-unit ID we used for quick recognition; we conducted all our missions under radio silence, using an AMESLAN variation during the day and flashlight semaphore at night. First Cav evaluators in '91 went ballistic until we taught it to them...

Okay, tactical grey-on-CARC is <a href="http://www.fototime.com/{B21FF829-9B63-46FB-BAE2-5644940A847D}/picture.JPG" rel="nofollow"><b>here</b></a> and a long-shot of full-color is <a href="http://www.fototime.com/{A2F751B8-AA01-4A45-96D7-E4BCFA25EF28}/picture.JPG" rel="nofollow"><b>here</b></a>. And, for something completely different, follow the smoke trail to view a just-launched <a href="http://www.fototime.com/{86ADA138-366A-43A6-B085-A13D6B1C47BB}/picture.JPG" rel="nofollow"><b>TOW missile</b></a>--subtitle: "Why Tankers Get Depressed"...
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2005-03-21</title>
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        Barb - Thirteens in the original &apos;cuz I was wearing winter-weight boots and two pair of socks. It&apos;s spring now.

Jtg - Teetering (aka &quot;semi-rigid) rotor is keerect. Three things can cause mast bumping: suddenly unloading the rotor system (negative G), too-rapid cyclic movement aft-then-forward and losing a portion of the control linkage above the swashplate, which is the component that transmits pitch-change movement to the rotor disk. A Cobra has a fourth little trick, a SCAS failure. SCAS is the Stability Control Augmentation System--electric sensor, hydraulic actuator. If it fails and you don&apos;t catch it in time, the nose pitches up, the hub pitches down and you launch the Big Frisbee. If you have normal reflexes, you can correct for it with no problems.

MAWK - Yer back! Problem isn&apos;t picking up extra heartbeats, it&apos;s keeping the ones you&apos;ve got inside your rib cage and out of your throat. I won&apos;t mention the other two things that sometimes feel the need for company at a time like that and crawl up to grab your epiglottis, cuz you don&apos;t have &apos;em to worry about...

John - And aviation. They don&apos;t let the new kids visit the boneyard anymore. 
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    <published>2005-03-22T04:16:01Z</published>
    <updated>2005-03-22T04:16:01Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Barb on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Barb</name>
        <uri>http://barbette.blogspot.com</uri>
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    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://barbette.blogspot.com">
        Whatsa matter, John - feet ticklish??
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    <published>2005-03-22T03:57:43Z</published>
    <updated>2005-03-22T03:57:43Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2005://1.3823-comment:18966</id>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
        <uri>http://www.thedonovan.com</uri>
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        EEEEeeeee!!!!!!  EVERYBODY leave everybody&apos;s feet alone!
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    <published>2005-03-22T02:35:27Z</published>
    <updated>2005-03-22T02:35:27Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Neffi on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
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        Well, stop handling Chief&apos;s sweaty, puffy feet! sheesh hehe
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    <published>2005-03-22T02:03:26Z</published>
    <updated>2005-03-22T02:03:26Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2005://1.3823-comment:18960</id>
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    <title>Comment from Barb on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Barb</name>
        <uri>http://barbette.blogspot.com</uri>
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        Hmmm - sweaty feet usually feel puffy to me ;-)
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    <published>2005-03-22T02:00:41Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Neffi on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
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        ...sweat shrinkage, I&apos;ll bet...
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    <published>2005-03-22T01:53:55Z</published>
    <updated>2005-03-22T01:53:55Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2005://1.3823-comment:18957</id>
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    <title>Comment from Barb on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Barb</name>
        <uri>http://barbette.blogspot.com</uri>
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        *Ahem*
Bill - How come in the original it was size thirteens, and now it&apos;s size twelves, Hmmm????
Your feet gettin&apos; smaller over time? ;-)
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    <published>2005-03-22T01:52:21Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2005://1.3823-comment:18950</id>
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    <title>Comment from Neffi on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
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        <![CDATA[John- I think we were <i>all</i> once young, dumb, and full of.. errh... combustibles. Nobody with any sense of self-preservation joins combat arms; gotta recruit those kids who think they're indestructible.
 old adage:
'Everyone is born into this life with a full bag of luck, and an empty bag of experience.
 The trick is to fill the bag of experience before the bag of luck runs out...']]>
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    <published>2005-03-22T00:56:33Z</published>
    <updated>2005-03-22T00:56:33Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2005://1.3823-comment:18949</id>
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    <title>Comment from Neffi on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Neffi</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[oops, I <b>am</b> back now, Vogons like orders too much for my taste...]]>
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    <published>2005-03-22T00:33:22Z</published>
    <updated>2005-03-22T00:33:22Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2005://1.3823-comment:18948</id>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        Heh. This just goes to show why we recruit youngsters with no knowledge of what they&apos;re facing for the infantry, eh, Bill?


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    <published>2005-03-22T00:33:00Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Neffi 9aboard Vogon Destructor Fleet on 2005-03-21</title>
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        ah sheesh, JMH... what&apos;s a model number or two. As for my own influence in the progression of tank designs, the fact is that I... I... ah Helk, I didn&apos;t tell the Grand Jury, why should I tell you?! heh
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    <published>2005-03-22T00:32:03Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2005-03-21</title>
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        Chief, that was OUTSTANDING!

I&apos;d fly with you in a heartbeat (even though I may pick up a few dozen heartbeats in the process!)
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    <published>2005-03-22T00:29:03Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2005-03-21</title>
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        I have a URL about the dreaded &quot;mast-bump&quot; saved around here somewheres, but can&apos;t find it right now. Suffice it for me to say that it&apos;s a problem one can have with hellafloppers with two-bladed teetering rotors, when the pilot, or the atmosphere, or something, causes the rotor to move violently and quickly about its teetering axis so as to bang up against its stops and break something, usually the &quot;mast&quot;, or shaft from which all of the rest of the machine  hangs..

Did I get that right, Bill?

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    <published>2005-03-22T00:00:31Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
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        Umm, when I wrote &quot;Did you live?&quot; I was referring to the most ancient, most traditional kind of war story, in which the last two lines are:

Grandkid: And what happened then, Grampa?

Grampa: Why, I was killed, of course!

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    <published>2005-03-21T23:51:01Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2005://1.3823-comment:18939</id>
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    <title>Comment from Barb on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Barb</name>
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        I figure that Bill&apos;s proven his ability to find a way to survive anything!  I&apos;d love a ride in a helo he&apos;s flying ;-)  Then again - what&apos;re the odds of that happening, eh?  
:-(
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    <published>2005-03-21T23:47:40Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2005://1.3823-comment:18938</id>
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    <title>Comment from UtahMan on 2005-03-21</title>
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        Woops. Posted too fast, and now I see Bill&apos;s comment. Manufacturer numbers - OK, that makes (more) sense.

Still like the look of the old Cobras, especially with the toothy mouth. I thought that was a thing of the past, but I remember seeing a couple of Apaches with calvary swords and alligator mouths on them during Operation Iraqi Freedom (7th Cav, I think). That just a Calvary thing?

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    <published>2005-03-21T23:47:17Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        Oh, the sad thing is, I like flying in &apos;em.  Always have.  

And I&apos;ll even get in one Bill&apos;s flying.

Sigh.

I&apos;m stupid that way.

Hell, Heaven would be the cargo seat of an A-10 trainer - with Dusty at the stick, &apos;rolling in&apos;.

Hell, I&apos;ll even go scout Minuteman silos with Neffi.
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    <published>2005-03-21T23:41:53Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from UtahMan on 2005-03-21</title>
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        Ah, that clears it up. Clear as mud. Thanks anyway, though.

Back to the story - great one. I like the look of the Cobras - but I think I like being able to admire them from here, safe on the ground.
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    <published>2005-03-21T23:18:34Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2005-03-21</title>
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        Jtg - If I&apos;d had an in-flight mast-bump, nobody would ever have heard of me except as a statistic. And yer right about the &quot;Jesus nut.&quot;
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    <published>2005-03-21T23:08:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2005-03-21</title>
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        Think manufacturers. Think manufacturers&apos; product numbers. 
Lockheed AH-56 (Cheyenne).
Sikorsky S-67 (Blackhawk, as distinct from the UH-60 Black Hawk). Woulda been the AH-67, except the AH-56 beat it out, then the AH-56 folded and was replaced by the AH-64.

Heh. Scout/Observation designations are even more fun.
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    <published>2005-03-21T23:05:03Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from J.M. Heinrichs on 2005-03-21</title>
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        UtahMan
Probably was influenced by the Army tank numbers advancing, in a logical sequence, from M-60 to MBT-70 to M-1. I blame Neffi as a root cause.

Cheers
JMH
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    <published>2005-03-21T22:33:45Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2005-03-21</title>
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        Mast Bump Story! I wanna mast-bump story! (And, uh, did you live?)

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    <published>2005-03-21T22:23:35Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2005-03-21</title>
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        Ummmm--I was exonerated on

[*peering over shoulder*]

all sixty-two counts.

Heh. Long story.
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    <published>2005-03-21T22:14:53Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from UtahMan on 2005-03-21</title>
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        <name>UtahMan</name>
        
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        In Bill&apos;s defense - he did *survive* all his incidents.

Which, while a mandatory requirement for recounting his adventures, is not necessary to experience them!

By the way, chopper question for anyone to answer - why do the model numbers go from the AH-1 (cobra) to AH-64 (Apache)? What happened to the intervening 62 models? Or is Bill the explanation?


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    <published>2005-03-21T22:09:24Z</published>
    <updated>2005-03-21T22:09:24Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2005://1.3823-comment:18926</id>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2005-03-21</title>
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        No, I believe that&apos;s called the &quot;Jesus *Nut*&quot;. 
Suspended in the air by one nut...
Heck, *two* would be pretty bad...
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    <published>2005-03-21T22:08:04Z</published>
    <updated>2005-03-21T22:08:04Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2005://1.3823-comment:18925</id>
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    <title>Comment from Bad Cat Robot on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
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        I hear tell of a crucial component of a helicopter known as the &quot;Jesus bolt&quot;.  &apos;Cause when you lose it ...

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    <published>2005-03-21T21:53:21Z</published>
    <updated>2005-03-21T21:53:21Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2005-03-21</title>
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        Ah, yes, why I prefer airplanes to hellafloppers! An airplane is a structure, a &apos;flopper is a *machine*.  All of the hubschrauber&apos;s itty bitty linkages and spinning things have to work, just for it to fly at all!  

That said, I tend to agree with the fellow who said that a well-designed, well-made, well-maintained, well-flown helicopter is the safest thing in the air.  

That&apos;s a kinda long chain of conditions, though.

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    <published>2005-03-21T21:36:28Z</published>
    <updated>2005-03-21T21:36:28Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2005-03-21</title>
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        O&apos; course they were first person. Think I&apos;d subject some other poor schnook to all that adrenaline overdose?
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    <published>2005-03-21T21:24:44Z</published>
    <updated>2005-03-21T21:24:44Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2005://1.3823-comment:18914</id>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh!!! on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!!!</name>
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        Dusty - no snark intended, I was just  referring to tales of horror from the cockpit.

Bill has been submitting these to FlightFax for years... always in the First Person, which is some cause for concern, what with he&apos;s flying US Gubbermint proppity &apos;n all!
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    <published>2005-03-21T21:02:25Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2005://1.3823-comment:18913</id>
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2005-03-21</title>
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        But not knowing until it&apos;s over is part of the 

[*gaaak--hork*]

thrill.
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    <published>2005-03-21T20:58:35Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Barb on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Barb</name>
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        Hey - I have a sense of adventure.  I just want to survive the lessons ;-)
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    <published>2005-03-21T20:23:38Z</published>
    <updated>2005-03-21T20:23:38Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2005://1.3823-comment:18908</id>
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2005-03-21</title>
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        Hmf. No sense of adventure.

&gt;&gt;hzz. has sense of common, though. 

[*whap*] YIPE!
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    <published>2005-03-21T19:11:07Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2005://1.3823-comment:18906</id>
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    <title>Comment from Barb on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
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        Wow, Bill!  I&apos;m glad you&apos;re here to tell the tales - we&apos;ll have to renegotiate the next series of virtual helo lessons ;-)
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    <published>2005-03-21T18:47:30Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Neffi on 2005-03-21</title>
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        ...and I had an entertaining 2 minutes myself Saturday, culminating in a near-perfect touchdown after a &apos;sideways&apos; approach on final, courtesy a very strong gust-front. But can&apos;t touch Chief for pucker factor this time...
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    <published>2005-03-21T18:46:32Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Instapilot on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
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        I&apos;m not writing...but I am listening...Have nothing profound to say right now but when I do I&apos;ll mash the mic button.
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    <published>2005-03-21T18:41:43Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2005-03-21</title>
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        Not a problem.

Quite the reverse, in fact. 

You&apos;d probably have to go to an ER to get the seat removed...
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    <published>2005-03-21T18:35:53Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh!!! on 2005-03-21</title>
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        Yeah, but Beth would get grumpy about the underwear situation...
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    <published>2005-03-21T18:32:06Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2005-03-21</title>
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        Look on the bright side--you won&apos;t be bored...
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    <published>2005-03-21T18:28:47Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2005-03-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        Bill - I&apos;ve got some good news and some bad news.

1.  Good news - you write aviation crash/problem stories pretty well.

2.  Bad news.  They&apos;re first person.


3.  Good News.  You get published a lot.

4.  Bad News.  In FlightFax, in First Person Stories.

I&apos;m somewhat nervous about getting into any aircraft in which you have a front seat...

Of course, for all I know the only difference between you, Dusty, and Neffi is - they don&apos;t write much...


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    <published>2005-03-21T18:26:18Z</published>
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