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  <title>Comments for The Immigration Bill, wounded, but unbowed.</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2007-06-14T11:03:43Z</published>
    <updated>2007-06-19T12:48:26Z</updated>
    <title>The Immigration Bill, wounded, but unbowed.</title>
    <summary>Just in case you&apos;re surfing through here - the Armorer is all for legal immigration with assimilation. Assimilation does not have to mean subsuming the past - as many waves of integrated immigrants show. It does mean becoming Americans and identifying with America, not carving out an enclave of where you came from and bringing with you all the pathologies that made where you come from such a wonderful place that you... left. Learn the language, don&apos;t demand that everybody else learn yours. Learn the systems, don&apos;t demand that they be changed to look like what you left (Mind you,...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Just in case you're surfing through here - the Armorer is all for legal immigration with assimilation.  Assimilation does not have to mean subsuming the past - as many waves of integrated immigrants show.  It does mean becoming Americans and identifying with America, not carving out an enclave of where you came from and bringing with you all the pathologies that made where you come from such a wonderful place that you... left.  Learn the language, don't demand that everybody else learn yours.  Learn the systems, don't demand that they be changed to look like what you left (Mind you, not that we teach our native-born about our systems very well).  Many immigrants bring one important thing to the table that native-borns can lack - ambition, spirit, and a fire to succeed - and the obvious willingness to take some risk to get there.  That pushed this nation forward in the past, and will continue to do so in the future.  Fresh blood is good for the body politic - but yes, I'm an assimilationist.  Through that process, society will cherry-pick and adopt the good stuff you bring with you, as we have generally done before.  Not perfectly, certainly.</p>

<p>That statement out there - let's get on to business.</p>

<p>From John Hawkins of Right Wing News:</p>

<blockquote>
I got together with a GOP aide in the Senate and my source gave me inside details that the pro-amnesty Senators don't want you to know.

<p>For example,</p>

<p>* When the bill will probably be coming back up for a vote and why they'll pick that time period.</p>

<p>* Why passing tough enforcement amendments would be completely irrelevant at this point. </p>

<p>* How pro-amnesty Senators will help get the bill through and then trick their home state voters into thinking that they opposed it.<br />
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<p>You can read <strong><a href="http://www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2007/06/the_inside_story_on_whats_happ.php">the Right Wing News Immigration piece by clicking here</a></strong>.</p>

<p>Secondly, Bloodspite is the Denizen for whom immigration reform is a Big Deal - so I send him all the stuff the White House sends me via their blogger email list.</p>

<p>I sent him the "IMMIGRATION FACT CHECK: Top 10 Common Myths" which he forwarded to another like-minded buddy of his, <strong><a href="http://www.slobokan.com">Slobokan</a></strong>.  </p>

<p><strong><a href="http://www.slobokan.com/archives/2007/06/13/debunking-the-white-house-facts-on-immigration/">Slobokan fisks the immigration fact check here</a></strong>.<br />
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2007-06-14</title>
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        Ain&apos;t the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo still in effect?  Did we not easily defeat the Mexican Armed Forces in 1848 because their hearts were not in the fight, their corrupt oligarchic government being much the same as the one they have now? Did we not turn down the opportunity to annex all of Mexico, in favor of just grabbing those portions with hardly any Mexicans in them?  Were not even the upper-class Mexicans in California so fed up with Santa Ana and his ilk that they didn&apos;t put up much of a fight and happily switched their allegiance? 

Does not El Presidente Jorge Arbusto have entirely too much fellow-feeling for his rich friends and relations, south of the border?

Yah, I know, I voted for him twice
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