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        <description>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</description>
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            <title>H&amp;I* Fires 08, JUN 2007</title>
            <description>Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That&apos;s only polite. You&apos;re advertising here, we should get an ad at your place... *********************************** Heh. Remember when people were arguing that the victory of the neo-Anabasis was a product of Clinton policy? Don’t hear much of them or that argument anymore do you. --- This is an old book review, but interesting to me none the less. The juicy stuff is toward the end and is a much more...</description>
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            <title>Comment from Casey Tompkins on 2007-06-10</title>
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                But DougK, think of the possibilities of a low-rider tank! The chicks will dig it on the main drag on Saturday nights... 

John, haven&apos;t been around in a while; congrats on the new Manor. I&apos;m green, now. Heh.

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            <pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:47:17 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from DougK on 2007-06-09</title>
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                <![CDATA[Don't get into too much of a lather about the Korean XK2, there's no "new" technology there. Autoloaders, NBC overpressure tech, navigation tech, active protection, etc have all been done. The active suspension adds to complexity and might be nice for getting quickly into defilade and lowering silhouette in a defensive mode, but that's not the best use of tanks (and what engineer vehicles have blades for, to prepare positions for).

As for deep water fording, nuthin' new, I was testing and we were doing that in the early '70's for the defense of 'Urp. Here's us in an M60A1 doin' the same thing at Tobacco Leaf Lake at Ft. Knox, oh, about 35 years ago:
(under less controlled conditions than in the video)

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            <pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:44:41 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from Deborah Aylward on 2007-06-09</title>
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                Oh dear!  Hip and hot?  That lets me out, as I&apos;m in a square igloo up here in the Great White North.  

Do I want a tour of the &quot;Jungle Room&quot;?  Well, if absolutely necessary.

Veritas et Fidelis Semper
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            <pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 06:22:36 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from Maggie on 2007-06-09</title>
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                Someone needs to give Deborah a tour of the Jungle Room.  We are hip and hot here at the Castle!
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            <pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 05:33:46 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from Deborah Aylward on 2007-06-09</title>
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                I&apos;m genuinely sorry that Gen. Pace won&apos;t be the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff for another two years.  It has always seemed that he was damned if he did and damned if he didn&apos;t, and blamed for the rest.  Yet, he has always been the epitome of grace under fire.  A good man, and an even better Marine; with no disrespect intended to anyone on this site.

Veritas et Fidelis Semper

P.S.   I can&apos;t believe that P.H. was named, no matter how briefly, on this site!
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            <pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 04:24:58 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from Maggie on 2007-06-08</title>
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                Concur with Cassandra&apos;s appreciation of Pace.

However, this &quot;Swabbie Doxie&quot; (as the Armorer has called me).........has to point out........

ADM. Mike Mullen is going to replace him!

Navy leads the way!!!!!!!!!!!
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            <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:47:16 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from Karla (threadbndr) on 2007-06-08</title>
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                re the JROTC camp - The kids get SO much out of opportunities like this.  The mentoring and the leadership skills and the self confidence that these camps foster are priceless.  

The Marine!Goth got to go to the MCJROTC mock boot camp at Paris Island twice and the Army JROTC leadership camp once.  He credits those experiences as a major part of his success in active duty.

Glad that the funding was re-instated.  And it&apos;s great to see new JROTC programs starting up.  All too many school districts are cutting the funding.  If you get a chance to talk up the JROTC programs to school board members and administration, please do.  These kids are the future warriors. 
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            <title>Comment from AW1 Tim on 2007-06-08</title>
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                John, et al,

     I want a bill that will mandate a secure southern border, and the estblishment of a border defense force before anything else. 

     As to the 12 million here, well, if they got in, then they can get back out. I am ALL for LEGAL immigration, but no dice to those who can&apos;t play by the rules. They expect us to play by the rules when we arrest them. They cry about not being given their rights, and then game the system against us. That&apos;s not right, and we need to deal with that.

     I want a bill that will deny citizenship to anyone born here whose parents are here illegally. Same with those visiting, etc. If your folks aren&apos;t in the que for citizenship, then you shouldn&apos;t get it just by being born here.

     In this country WE get to say who comes through the door. It&apos;s OUR house. We get to set the rules, the dress code, the behaviour rules, etc.

     I have no problem with legal immigration. Folks that want to play by the rules, to assimilate, to walk the road to propserity and freedom, then come on down!

     The rest that are hanging onto the bumpers, cutting in line, and sneaking in the back door need to be rounded up and booted out, and then they can get back in line and start again.

     Respects,
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            <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:53:39 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from Maggie on 2007-06-08</title>
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                BloodSpite - If you feel better baby, that&apos;s all that matters to me!
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            <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:36:30 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from BloodSpite on 2007-06-08</title>
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                <![CDATA[Thanks for the link Sir!

I'm celebrating in style today, with the FOP, and Fireman's Union, then this afternoon we have that meeting with Congressman Boozman I E-mailed you about.

Meanwhile we'll be chowing down at <a href="http://www.springdale.com/featherfest/" rel="nofollow">Feather fest</a>

As for the new Bill, I want a new Bill, I do. But with less Amnesty, more enforcement, and after spending the last baying like the Hounds of Baskerville I've found there are a LOT of folks out there who are in the same agreement. According to Kitt Bond, Senator for Missouri whom I spoke to last week, he initially came out in support of the Bill, but both he and McCaskill (the other MO Senator) literally had to change step because they received hundreds of thousands of letters, E-mails and calls pertaining to just that: Enforcement. 

98% of the communication he got, per him, was about Enforcing current laws, Hazleton & Farmers Branch style ordinances, and speeding up the current legal immigration process. All things I can get behind happily.

I'm with you, we'll never get everything we want, but I'll feel a lot better when we get something with a lot more thought put in to it, instead of being a play to earn voters for the next election. ]]>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:04:21 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-06-08</title>
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                Hey- at least we have the opportunity.

It&apos;s all sausage making.  
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            <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:36:18 -0600</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment from Maggie on 2007-06-08</title>
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                Congrats on having all your details tied up.

I over to Lia&apos;s place and told her that I wouldn&apos;t complain so much about her foolish mojitos in the future.

I wouldn&apos;t celebrate too much about the immigration bill.  It will be back and if they tone down just a few things it will squeak through.  This version was just too far over the line.  The next one won&apos;t have any enforcement in it either.  (Sorry to be such a downer)
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            <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:19:10 -0600</pubDate>
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