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The immigration bill.

Whooeee - hasn't that sucker generated some passion, both here and elsewhere.

I was going to link to some specific posts... but right now Denizen Bloodspite's Techography site is All Immigration, Alla Time... Um, Bloodspite is *not* a fan of the bill, nor current immigration policy, I might add.

Neither is Dusty, the Instapilot. This came to me under the subject line of "You're fired." I admit my first reaction was - "Hey, waidaminnit! I own this joint - you can't fire me!" and then I opened it and read it:

Senator XXXXXXXX,

I understand you voted against an amendment to the immigration bill that would remove the amnesty provisions for illegal aliens. I also believe you voted against any attempt to end the practice in "sanctuary cities" of prohibiting local law enforcement from inquiring about immigration status and reporting findings to federal officials.

I cannot explain to my daughter why a sitting senator would:

1) consciously vote against any effort to uphold our national sovereignty by tacitly endorsing unlawful entry into this country, or;

2) how a Republican would actively encourage state and local officials to not enforce federal attempts to identify and apprehend foreign nationals on US soil in a time of war.

I'm done. You will never, ever get my vote for reelection.

Respectfully,
The Instapilot, Col, USAF, Ret.
Somewhere, USA.

That was clear enough, I think.

So, where do I stand?

1. I think any bill this large and putatively comprehensive, should die abornin'. Huge bills like this are usually so internally contradictory (plenty of evidence of that in the detailed analysis put out by the think tanks of all stripes) that it will end up being whatever whichever political appointee bureaucrat or Federal judge says it is, as it goes through the inevitable interpretation and litigation processes - and that what comes out the end will be what mostly unaccountable federal officials say it is, not necessarily what individual Representatives, Senators, and President thought it would be. Talk about 6 blind men and an elephant...

So, no, I'm not in favor of this bill. I'd rather have smaller, tighter, more focused bills. There's no reason to rush this monster anywhere but the morgue, and start over.

That said - anything that has just about everybody unhappy with it can't be all bad, in that it has to have been pushed to the center in the sausage-making that is the legislative process. But count me also as one of those people who simply doesn't trust the Federal government, as it currently stands (and this would include a Democrat administration, mind you) to actually enforce the "enforceable" provisions of this bill, if only because it's so full of contradictions... well, see my discussion of Federal Officialdom above.

Count me also among the people described below by Ramesh Ponnuru in a discussion of the WSJ's attack on National Review:

Daniel Henninger says that the bill's opponents' objection to illegal immigration "is fundamentally cultural and they can't say that." Kathryn objected to that idea, and it does paint with too broad a brush, but I do think that Henninger is on to something important. A very big part of what we mean by assimilation is that newcomers will adopt the native culture (while also, of course, changing it in some respects). A major reason for popular anxiety over current immigration policies is the fear that this assimilation is not taking place, or not taking place fast enough, and that as a result the country runs the risk of cultural balkanization. I don't know why that should be unsayable.

I do have cultural objections. There is a reason that many people want to flee/leave where they are and come here - they perceive greater opportunity (some find that also comes with greater risk, too). And those who wish to come to better themselves - I say let 'em come! They help infuse us with entrepreneurial blood. And they can't help but influence our culture - but I do have concerns that the nature of much public policy today is designed to encourage them to balkanize, and not assimilate. And to maintain their comfort bubbles from home - which, of course, contain many of the seeds of the pathologies of *why they left* in the first place. In the give and take and rough and tumble of social interaction, much of what they bring to the table that is good will be adopted by the culture at large. But if we encourage them to "fort up" in enclaves (which most first generation waves do anyway) and provide incentive to *stay* in their enclaves... well, that's the recipe for balkanizing this country. Which I don't think is a good thing.

I want to send Congress back into their conferences and committees, and tell 'em to start over.

And give us multiple bills, not a huge omnibus mess.

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I'd be happy if we just addressed the problem incrementally, rather than having such a broad, sweeping bill that has to be compromised so much. Step 1: 1) Stop the hemorrghaging at the border. Plug the holes, build a fence, step up patrols, whatever. Without secure borders and without knowing who, exactly, is coming in, we're definitely vulnerable to infiltration by terrorists. 2) Enforce immigration rules at the employer level, and penalize employers for violating existing laws. 3) Improve ways for documented immigrants to get work visas, green cards, whatever, and then improve on - if needed - the path to legitimate and legal citizenship.
 
Andy McCarthy also has a pretty good NRO response to the WSJ that I think represents a lot of the national security/law & order focused opponents:
"I don't want to kick the illegals out of the country....the illegals have chosen to be illegal so it's not unfair to make them live with that choice..."
Also, Bill Bennett has a great analogy on immigration, 'The Gates Test'
 
In order to be somewhat more informational versus a rant, one my partners (P_G_S) is posting the opposite view, why the Bill is good, while I'm just hammering :) My view on it a little skewed. I'm all for Legal immigration. I have no problem with 400,000 or 200,00 as long as they are key word *Legal*. I like Charlie Foxtrot's quote above :) I also like how Cobb put it recently: I don't think we have too many cars on the road, but everyone who subverts the system destroys the commons and undermines the rule of law as well as respect for it. The only way to establish respect for the process of immigration in America is to insist on enforcement for the law. You simply cannot drive around with no plates and tags. If this system isn't fixed for real, then there is going to be road rage............ ...... Let us presume the inevitability of three things. 1. America forgets about Iraq. 2. One terrorist attack succeeds on American soil through Mexico. 3. The coming immigration bill is loaded with compromise. This is the nightmare that awaits. * Every container ship that is unloaded by Mexicans, every truck that is driven my Mexicans, every Mexican in the transportation business will be under attack. * Civil Libertarians will be crapping bricks and wishing for something as mild and pleasant as GTMO. * Mexicans turning on Mexicans will be brought into media focus. * MS 13 replaces AQ on everybody's lips. * Vigilantes will rise. * Tourism to Mexico will stop. * Taco Bells will be set afire. * Popular Latinos will become professional pets. * Police CRASH units will be reinstated. * Black vs Latino gang violence will escalate in the streets, in the schools, in the jails and in the prisons. Like the man said it's hard to deport 3million people. But when you start fining companies, fining home and apartment owners, essentially holding those who abuse the predicament of Illegals....making it a unfriendly place to be illegal versus legal, then we have substantially changed the status quo. Versus encouraging it further which I believe the bill does. I'd LOVE to get amnesty for all my speeding ticket. But I'm a citizen of these United States. What does a little thing like the Law mean, right? :P
 
Until the 535 representatitve members of the Republic's citizens believe the rule of law is paramount to a Western nation's survival, the merits of ANY legislative proposal are irrelevant. My beef is about fundamentals--an elected legislator can pass a law; that's his/her job (alas) but if they vote AGAINST enforcing an existing law, what are they, as legislators? To me, you're either a towering hypocrite, a breathtaking cynic, or an idiot. In my case, my senator is a little of all three (with apologies to the idiots out there). The disconnect between American politicians today and their constituents over one of the most fundamental principals I, as a VERY ordinary citizen, assume to be a given, i.e., one should obey our laws or change them through the legislative process, just makes my head explode. Until we wrench ourselves back to the civilized path of a modern representative democracy, we will continue to cultivate cynicism in our citizens and contempt from the illegal aliens violating our national soveriegnty. If it was in my power, I would recall my Senator immediately. He's a disgrace for supporting law breakers both in our country (the "sanctuary" city governments) and outside it (illegals). To quote a friend, "Argghhh!!!"
 
Did not the Mexican Government of the time sign the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo? Did we not pay them lots of money for territory we'd already taken by conquest? Did we not only annex the parts of Mexico which had very few Mexicans in them, or, like California, had Mexicans who were fed up with the Mexican Government? Yah, I know about the Texicans and Negro Slavery, but I've also read "Two Years Before the Mast." Everyone should read Dana's description of criminal justice in California when the place was run by Mexicans. Hint: The "justice" was right godawfully criminal