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  <title>Comments for Heh.  I&apos;ll go with the judgement of the GCM convening authority...</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2007-05-17T13:25:37Z</published>
    <updated>2007-05-20T08:25:58Z</updated>
    <title>Heh.  I&apos;ll go with the judgement of the GCM convening authority...</title>
    <summary>But it sure strikes me like a courts-martial for dereliction certainly should have been on the table. And possibly was. [In retrospect, and a little more infomation, that might have been an overly-harsh initial reaction on my part. I do concur with the reliefs vice a reprimand, however.] Consequences of action and inaction matter. WASHINGTON - Three U.S. soldiers slaughtered in a grisly kidnapping-murder plot south of Baghdad last June had been left alone for up to 36 hours in a poorly planned mission, a military investigation concluded. Two officers have been relieved of their commands. Neither of the officers...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>But it sure strikes me like a courts-martial for dereliction certainly should have been on the table.  And possibly was.  [In retrospect, and a little more infomation, that might have been an overly-harsh initial reaction on my part.  I do concur with the reliefs vice a reprimand, however.]</p>

<p>Consequences of action and inaction matter.</p>

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WASHINGTON - Three U.S. soldiers slaughtered in a grisly kidnapping-murder plot south of Baghdad last June had been left alone for up to 36 hours in a poorly planned mission, a military investigation concluded. Two officers have been relieved of their commands. 

<p>Neither of the officers faced criminal charges as a result of the litany of mistakes that left the soldiers exposed, a military official familiar with the investigation told The Associated Press on Wednesday.</p>

<p>A report on the investigation said the platoon leader and company commander — whose names were not released — failed to provide proper supervision to the unit or enforce military standards.<br />
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<p>Depending on circumstances surrounding this incident - there's a Lieutenant Colonel battalion commander who's probably also seen his terminal promotion, whether justified or no.  When lives are at stake, them's the breaks and we all know that going in.</p>

<p><strong><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070517/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/murdered_soldiers_investigation">Read the rest of the story here</a></strong>.</p>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from MajMike on 2007-05-17</title>
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        i wasn&apos;t surprised a bit that JD relieved them.  i am surprised that he didn&apos;t relieve anyone higher up the food chain.

JD don&apos;t screw around.
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    <published>2007-05-17T17:27:22Z</published>
    <updated>2007-05-17T17:27:22Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2007-05-17</title>
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        Every time we get ambushed/kidnapped, it seems to be in an area our military has been charged with a rape/murder charge- this past weekend included.  Seems to me that the military is leaving too much to chance in these volatile areas by letting single vehicles out on patrol.  
Isn&apos;t the SOP in Iraq 2 or more vehicles together, at all times?

Seems to me that the relief of duty reprimands in the June incident were completely warranted.  24-36 hour guard shifts, with no relief, no protection, and only one vehicle? COME ON.  I may be a civilian, but damn... even I know that&apos;s just plain dumb.
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    <published>2007-05-17T17:00:32Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-05-17</title>
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        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        The 1SG was not mentioned in the article - which doesn&apos;t mean career-ending things didn&apos;t happen to him, simply that it wasn&apos;t mentioned.

If anything did happen to anyone else - as the article suggests - it&apos;s probably covered under the Privacy Act and we&apos;re not going to know.

I think Thurman did the right thing in ordering the reliefs, vice letters of reprimand.  Hard conditions or no, they were not up to the rigors of the job.

And, re-reading the whole thing in the cold light of day, I was leaning a little harsh on the courts-martial talk, too.
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    <published>2007-05-17T14:30:58Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Oldloadr on 2007-05-17</title>
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        Since I&apos;m in a &quot;police your own&quot; mood today:
What about the 1st Sgt (I know that&apos;s AF abreviation, but I forgot the Army one)?  Doesn&apos;t responsibility for the health, welfare, morale and discipline of the enlisted corps fall squarely on their shoulders?
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    <published>2007-05-17T14:20:35Z</published>
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