May 26, 2007
H&I Fires* May 26, 2007
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You're advertising here, we should get an ad at your place...
Close Air Support in Urban Areas. Heh. You *can* use an airplane for non-lethal CAS.
Battery Commander, Policeman, and second fiddle to an Iraqi. The last part is how we want it to be. That middle part isn't quite what Redlegs signed up to do, but it does result in less damage, perhaps!
An assessment of the surge so far:
Top U.S. commanders have cautioned that any verdict on the overall success of the plan will have to wait until after all units are in place and conducting operations. But Canda and his paratroopers have been on the ground long enough to begin drawing their own conclusions.
Three months after they arrived in Sha’ab, the bodies are gone, the murders have stopped, and the neighborhood has come back to life, Canda said.
“It’s night and day from when we got here,” he said.
Now if only we'll give it time to work, and that time is sufficient to make it take hold and for the Iraqis to not only maintain security in conjunction with us - but on their own. Read the rest here.
Lastly, meet Ray "Bubba" Sorenson, and his rock.
Be safe this weekend - but have fun, too! -the Armorer
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*A term of art from the artillery. Harassment and Interdiction Fires.
Back in the day, when you could just kill people and break things without a note from a lawyer, they were pre-planned, but to the enemy, random, fires at known gathering points, road junctions, Main Supply Routes, assembly areas, etc - to keep the bad guy nervous that the world around him might start exploding at any minute.
*Not really relevant to today's operating environment, right? But, it *is*
The UAVs (oops, can't call 'em UAVs anymore - they're now Unmanned Aerial Systems... some Colonel got his Legion of Merit for that change...), er, um UAS's we fly over Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for targets of opportunity are a form of H&I fires, if you really want to parse it finely. We just have better sensors and fire control now.
I call the post that because it's random things posted by me and people I've given posting privileges to. It's also an open trackback, so if someone has a post they're proud of, but it really isn't either Castle kind of stuff, or topical to a particular post, I've basically given blanket permission to use that post for that purpose. Another term of art that might be appropriate is "Free Fire Zone".
� Secure this line!
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
Bubba has a web site with more background and pictures of previous "editions" of the rock.
http://bubbazartwork.com or if you want to go direct to the rock section http://bubbazartwork.com/patriotic_rock.html
He's not a vet, he just thinks and acts like one.
I salute his service to our country, where he has done more to honor our troops with a rock and a few gallons of paint than the New York Times has with all its paper and barrels of ink.
THANKS BUBBA!
posted by
John S. on May 26, 2007 12:17 PM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
Do Cyborgs dream of electric sheep?
That popped into my head as an old buddy of mine sent me this:
Can cyborg moths bring down terrorists?
A moth which has a computer chip implanted in it while in the cocoon will enable soldiers to spy on insurgents, the US military hopes.
He accompanied it with this commentary.
But this sort of thing just creeps me out. Combine this with the Israelis development of little remote controlled 'skeeter' missiles and ones paranoia can run rampant.
On the other hand, having a little skeeter with an HE warhead smack into OBLs forehead with a nice resulting "bang" is an appealing thought.
My first thought in response to that was... or a head of state.
My response to my auld buddy was, "Heh. You have no *idea* what the boffins are up to. But I'm with ya on the creepy part."
His response?
Well, if you recall that old Kurt Russell movie "Universal Soldier"....
Without being toooooo dramatic about it, with the advances being made in 'cloning' and now combined with this sort of technology, I wonder if SCIFI fantasy cyborg soldiers/critters are really all that far off?
And as Stormtrooper "Starwars" style exoskeletons are being developed for bodyarmor, perhaps it's time to welcome the Imperium and just get it over with.
I can see where future soldiers are implanted/grown with mini-computers hardwiring them up. The question is, just how far off is it?
Brrrrr.
As regards the Israeli developments of skeeters, some of the usual sorts are already calling for an international non-proliferation treaty ban on them being developed, much less being employed.
I honestly dont know how you'd defend against this sort of attack. The only thing I could think of was some means to short circuit the electronics, like a big bug zapper field, to disable them.
Truth is, the genie is almost out of the bottle and once he escapes, this sort of nasty lil' tech will find its way into the wrong hands. Mark my words, within 5 years, if not sooner, of this tech being deployed, we will see some major event where a head of state has his head go *bang* from a remote controlled skeeter.
Brrrr, again I say, brrrrr.
I've seen two schools of development on this. One with the organics they've tested using remote control joysticks and mini-cams for cockroaches, moths, mice etc.
And then there's the Israeli mechanical mini-robots.
I don't know which is scarier, not to mention the inevitable combination of the two. Which is only a matter of time before they meld the two technologies.
Brrrrr.
And, I don't EVEN wanna contemplate what could happen with self-aware AIs being used for this sort of thing.
Terminator and rise of the machines indeed. Self-aware, 'intelligent' skeeters with explosive
pinhole warheads.....
Brrr, brrrr, brrrrr....
Laters. Gotta go form my tinfoil hat and get my black helicopter detectors turned on.
And mebbe buy a can of Raid....
I'll hafta get a new bulb for the bug zapper, too.
H/t to my old buddy Kevin G.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
My first reaction: Cylons in the real world. Yoicks!
posted by
Casey Tompkins on May 26, 2007 2:29 PM
This war's gonna get interesting before it's all said & done.
Hopefully before some jackass terrorist group gets its hands on a nuke.
posted by
Harvey on May 26, 2007 11:42 PM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
Women@War
I've commanded a unit with women in it, albeit not in combat.
Chuck Simmins sent me an email griping about how NRO's military blog, The Tank, covered women in combat yesterday, specifically citing Elaine Donnelly's post, and the follow-up by W. Thomas Smith, who is the most prolific poster over there. Heh. Wonder how Matt, John Noonan, Greyhawk and I could get gigs there? Oh, maybe a sailor or two... Noonan is certainly sucking up and scoring propaganda, but I digress.
Chuck put up his response, which I generally support.
Donnelly would essentially have us turn back the clock to the Women's Army Corps. There are many men out there who would do the same.
There are certainly problems (lord, I know!) with putting young hormonal beings together in the environment they find themselves in.
And the original paradigm for service, when the opportunities were expanded back in the 70's was that of conventional war in Europe, with reasonably well-defined fronts, etc. In other words, WWII, updated for new weapons.
Turns out the first real shooting war which lasted more than a week wasn't that kind of war.
And guess what? To my eye, the paradigm still works. Yep, women are getting killed.
Tough noogies. They're doing some real killing, too.
Much of the commentary Smith provides covers the concern about putting Jane Average soldier into prolonged close-combat infantry units. I happen to disagree with his SOCOM concern - I'm guessing any woman who can pass all the barriers to get into SOCOM units is a woman who can pull her weight in a SOCOM unit - because if you can't fit in on the teams... you don't stay on the teams, one of the more ruthless meritocracies in the service.
The women who are getting killed are MPs, mechanics, truck drivers, etc - because this is a war of ambush and treachery, that more often targets the support elements than the combat elements - precisely because they are perceived as easier, safer targets. Unless it's an MP unit led by Sergeant Hester. Who fought pretty well, methinks. And they aren't getting killed all out of proportion to their numbers in the force. 77 so far, by Elaine's count. With roughly 85,000 women in the Army and Marines, who are doing the brunt of the dying in this war, that's a vanishingly small percentage.
And I've not heard substantive complaints about performance - that can't be met with similar complaints about individual male soldiers and their performance.
Strikes me, we've got it about right, thus far.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
G*d help the rest of the world if we truly start allowing women in combat roles. Being of the female persuasion, I KNOW how wicked and evil we can be when angry or when our den is threatened. It ain't purdy.
posted by
HomefrontSix on May 26, 2007 7:40 PM
This is one of those areas I'm really conflicted about. I'm currently in a combat arms outfit so we don't regularly work with women. Yes, there are a couple up in Brigade doing legal or something, but basically it's an all male environment. If the Army treated gender issues the same way they treated race issues I would have no problem at all with women in CA. But the fact is in the Army women are equal except they're special. They're equal, but they have different PT standards. Bull - that's what PT is for. They're equal but the have to be pulled out of the field every third day for "hygiene." Gee, how about we do a better job teaching field sanitation and hygeine - to everyone, not just women. And then there's the whole sexual harassment problem. (Why doesn't a soldier being harassed just kick the other soldiers a$$?) These problems aren't caused by women being in combat operations, they're caused by the regulations imposed on soldiers male and female that enforce different treatment and restrict womens opportunities on the one side and foster resentment on the other. If a woman can elevate the tube to 1200 mils for a three round mission (with help from the gunner of course, it's not like my AG doesn't get tired on high angles) and hump the projos off the ammo truck with the rest of the section, she's welcome on my gun. If she can't, she either needs to get with it on PT or get a job over at the FDC. I have no doubt that there are many women who would do just fine, just as there are many men who are non hackers. Personally I'm sick of men bellyaching about what women are being allowed to do and women whining about what they're not allowed to do. I say level the playing field and let it sort itself out. Switching to decaf...
posted by
Pogue on May 26, 2007 9:35 PM
Pogue ~ amen.
posted by
HomefrontSix on May 27, 2007 4:34 AM
Well, hypocrisy in the application of standards is nothing new.
AR600-9 being the prime example.
We were told that being fat (or worse, looking fat, but hey, I digress) was inimical to combat readiness, and it was key that we maintain a certain look, er, I mean, level of fitness, er, no, um, percentage of body fat, or our combat performance would suffer, and therefore, careers must be ruined and good soldiers discharged as a result. To uphold the standard, for combat fitness, doncha know.
IT WAS IMPERATIVE, AND IMPORTANT, AND WAS CRITICAL TO COMBAT READINESS!!!
Leave aside the multiple panels of experts who told the Army, "Quit trying to fit all bodies into one mold - set your PT standards high enough, fat guys won't make it."
Okay, we tried some experimentation with that... and, er, well, woulda hadda spend a *lot* more time on PT than we really wanted to dedicate to it (though the *old* Army did just that, via lots of road marching to training areas, and fun and innovative (but injury-producing) PT, but I digress) and, oh hell, the fat guys were hanging, but some of them skinny suckers who look good in the bus driver suit weren't hangin'. And it took a real toll on the women.
So, we kept AR600-9 because, well, being a fatty was BAD! and it was IMPORTANT! to combat readiness (leave aside who goes hypoglycemic faster...).
So, comes the war, and what do we do?
We suspend the discharge part of AR600-9. Because, well, we don't want anyone getting fat to get out of the Army or something.
Heh.
But we kept the part about putting it in the efficiency reports, so that when the war is over, the promotion boards will still kill your career, of course.
Because being fat is bad.
All I know is - when the relight the discharge provisions of the reg, here's hoping the first guy through challenges it. Because the Army justified it based on the criticality of combat performance, then promptly suspended it when combat loomed.
In other words, they don't really believe their own premise.
It's simply prejudice.
Truth is, if you're so fat you can't hang during PT, out you should go.
Otherwise, it just.doesn't.matter. Except to pencil-necked, sunken chested geeks who assume that not looking like them must mean you're a slug.
All I know is - fit fat people rarely flopped on a road march. Skinny suckers did. Even ones with 270 and better PT scores.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 27, 2007 7:10 AM
Aye, Homefront. Reminds me of a conversation I had with a birthright Quaker gal, at the Atlanta Friends' Meeting, years ago. We were talking about integrating wimmin into the military, up to combat command levels, even.
I said something like, "But if wimmin were in charge, I betcha they'd cut loose with the incandescent lithium deuteride sooner than the boys would, there wouldn't be truces to succor the wounded, or prisoner-exchange cartels, or stuff like that!"
She answered, basically, "Yup!"
I think a lot of guys still, at some atavistic level, somehow think of warfare in some kind of "sporting" way.
Wimmin never have, I think. They usually prudently avoid physical fights, but when they do engage, Look Out! They can get into "die with teeth in your throat" mode right easily, in the wrong conditions.
posted by
Justthisguy on May 27, 2007 9:40 PM
JoA is picking on "We slender nervous people"! (That's the way Barney Fife put it, anyway.)
Hey, at least "I" can get shot through the body with a .223 round and have it not tumble or fragment inside me, not being thick enough for that.
As long as I face the enemy squarely of course, which ain't very likely. Snork.
posted by
Justthisguy on May 27, 2007 10:13 PM
I was just looking at something over at Dr. Helen's, about, well, "Aunt Flo." She referred to a post by that Nice Jewish Guy, Eugene Volokh.
I am minded of the discussion we had here a couple or three years ago, about things like that among the troops.
And the curious history of the "Sanitary Napkin", and why it is so similar to, if not identical with, the battle dressing.
posted by
Justthisguy on May 28, 2007 1:43 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
The Whatzis, continued.
Well, this has been fun, if perhaps a bit more erotic than I anticipated. Confused by that? Ah, well, you'd best check out the comments in *this* post then.

Okay, in this pic, there is a clear clue. Well, it would be clear to me, anyway.
Remember - these are all views of the same military artifact.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
Squib to fire (open) a Helium bottle that controls flight actuators (fins) of a missile.
Heath
posted by heath on May 26, 2007 8:50 AM
John,
Late to the party as is usual.
This is a part of a Soviet ATGM. That's my story based on what I've seen so far. Probably not a sagger. Beyond that, ya got me....
Respects,
posted by AW1 Tim on May 26, 2007 9:19 AM
Late to the party as is usual
.
But always a welcome addition! HFS and I are at the bar. I am waiting for sailors to entertain me and while you are a brown shoe, you fit the bill.
John is driving us crazy with the Whatzit and HFS and I are returning the favor!
Be vewwy, vewwy quiet, we almost stirred up the NC-17 last night.
posted by
Maggie on May 26, 2007 12:03 PM
Tim ~ better late than never! Let me know if those are piston return springs I'm seeing.
Maggie ~ any old port in a storm, eh?
John ~ you thought that you'd throw me off that easy? Thankfully I'm awake enough (and not hungover) to follow the links here. *whew*
posted by
HomefrontSix on May 26, 2007 1:42 PM
HFS - That was not nice, throwing Tim under the bus like that!
Tim - Let me help you up and get you a drink. Well, dust you off, you'll be as good as new.
Richard - In the last thread, it appears you are offering me a ride in a helicopter, a Bell-47 I believe. The fact that there is no bartender aboard is no problem as long as you are prepared to entertain me in other ways. Just forward a signed DD-214 as part of your application to the Rotation (men who vie for my attention with varying degrees of success). I'll review it and get back to you.
posted by
Maggie on May 26, 2007 2:36 PM
Maggie,
Yeah, sailor, airdale, whatever :)
I look at that last image and see a blow-out plate on the left. It looks like the spheroid container holds a gas charge of some sort to blow the device clear of it's launch tube before the main motor ignites.
Hmmm.... I'll probably have a better answer after a few drinks.
Respects,
posted by AW1 Tim on May 26, 2007 2:37 PM
Hmmm.... I'll probably have a better answer after a few drinks
Don't we all, baby!
posted by
Maggie on May 26, 2007 2:46 PM
Hmmm.... I'll probably have a better answer after a few drinks.
Don't we all, baby!
Maggie ~ yes we do. Well, most of us.
Tim ~ I really wasn't trying to throw you under the bus, I promise! I'll buy you a drink to make it up to you. Especially if your answers get better as you drink ;)
posted by
HomefrontSix on May 26, 2007 3:41 PM
Okay I got it! It's a artificial hip replacement shooter (inserter) for old people.
Barkeep my usual.
posted by
jim b on May 26, 2007 6:39 PM
Scoresby's comin' up.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 26, 2007 7:13 PM
Okay I got it! It's a artificial hip replacement shooter (inserter) for old people.
OUCH! That had best come with some Versed.
posted by
HomefrontSix on May 26, 2007 7:46 PM
Dangit! When I Google 'military gyroscopic training aid' it sends me right back HERE. That's no help! See...I am trying.
posted by
HomefrontSix on May 26, 2007 7:52 PM
Snerk! Now, I *like* that!
Hee hee hee.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 26, 2007 9:01 PM
Nahh...
let's see though.... If someone's buying, then 3 finger's of Knob Creek or Maker's Mark will hit the spot.
I figure this thingamajig is either Soviet or WWII German. I tend to think Soviet because of the color green on the outer casing.
I believe it to be a rocket of some sort, probably anti-tank, but maybe a 1st gen AAA German. hard to tell. Lots of neat interior shots, however.
Respects,
posted by AW1 Tim on May 26, 2007 9:06 PM
John ~ figured you would. *grumble grumble grumble*
Tim ~ your choice!
posted by
HomefrontSix on May 26, 2007 9:09 PM
Magnetic detonator for a naval mine?
posted by
Pogue on May 26, 2007 11:07 PM
Wouldn't you have to have metal shavings in your naval lint to set of a magnetic naval mine?
Maybe I have had enough Scoresby for one night.
By the way you know what a Naval Destroyer is?
A hoola hoop with a nail in it.
Good night Chesty ... wherever you are.
posted by
jim b on May 26, 2007 11:31 PM
Otay - time to shut down this thread, and send you to the next clue!
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 27, 2007 9:21 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
May 25, 2007
H&I Fires* May 25, 2007
Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That's only polite.
You're advertising here, we should get an ad at your place...
Before I head off to continue building this FCS db for a sim, I'll leave you with this snippet sent by CAPT H, regarding Parliamentary point-scoring in the Great White North...
Hon. Jay Hill (Secretary of State and Chief Government Whip, CPC): Mr. Speaker, I too have been here quite some time now, about 14 years or close to it.
I have, as my colleagues have, for the past number of weeks listened to the member for Bourassa denigrate and personally attack our Minister of National Defence. The member says he has been asking these questions properly. The Minister of National Defence is a man with an outstanding 35 year career serving our country in the Canadian armed forces. The member has called him an “arms dealer”. Today he called him a “spendthrift” for the minister's efforts to rebuild the Canadian Forces and to give it the equipment it needs, to give it the tanks it needs.
If he wants me to apologize, I will apologize. I should not have called the member an idiot because even an idiot would support the Minister of National Defence.
Get the whole picture here, at David Akin's blog.
Nice take-down, Mr. Hill. -the Armorer
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What is this? Groundhog’s Day? (Rubs out 24. Writes in 25. I may get the month wrong, and the time, and…., but I at least get the day right.).
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Maggie's mother, Alyson Breathed, says she was told her daughter would not be able to graduate if she didn't pay or name the other kids involved.
“They were encouraging me to encourage her to out the other kids and I don't encourage her to do that,” said Alyson
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Ah, yes, don’t rat out your friends to ‘The Man’ for vandalism,
but whine about taking on the consequences (girl won’t receive her diploma for a prank of vandalism) for getting caught. Yeah, that’s smart and consistent. I wonder what the do in ‘critical thinking classes’ up there in Portland, OR high schools these days.
--ry
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I have some insider insight on this (not this particular event, but the threat of it):
Such a scenario, say some experts, is not only possible but likely in the near future.
Look, for example, at what happened to Estonia last week. Ever since the government of the Baltic state decided (rather tactlessly it must be said) to remove a war memorial to the Red Army from a square in the capital, Tallinn, Russian outrage has ensued.
This took the form of demonstrations and even riots. But then something extraordinary happened: quickly, and wholly without warning, the whole country was subjected to a barrage of cyber-warfare, disabling the websites of government ministries, political parties, banks and newspapers.
Techniques normally employed by cybercriminals, such as huge remotely-controlled networks of hijacked computers, were used to cripple vital public services.
Nato has sent its top cyber-terrorism experts to Tallinn, with western democracies caught on the hop over the implications of such an attack.
The Estonian defence ministry said: "We've been lucky to survive this. If an airport, bank or state infrastructure is attacked by a missile, it's clear war. But if the same result is done by computers, then what do you call it? Is it a state of war? These questions must be addressed."
What am I talking about? This. Attack of the Cyber Terrorists. More likely than Y2K ever was. -the Armorer
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Maryann of Soldier's Angels Germany sent me a link to a Stars and Stripes article about the collectible weapons (most of 'em not importable to the US, alas) being discovered amongst the arms caches in Iraq.
Leaving aside some of the inaccuracies - like WWII Sterling (they must mean Sten, vice the 50's era Sterling or just got it altogether confused) and the pic caption calling the PPSh 41 submachine gun a rifle...hey, I've got one - but I digress!
If I were recalled and sent to Iraq, I would be struggling with my collecting jones... but I also know I would be indulging myself getting to shoot some weapons that I only own in unshootable fashion. The collection has benefited from this sort of thing. The Castle PIAT is now properly dressed in canvas (usually missing from the few samples in private hands) that were recovered from a warehouse in Iraq. -the Armorer
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Snerk! Take a break, surf the referrals, find this. Salamander, you *dog* you. Note the date. -the Armorer
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Flash Traffic (extended entry) Follows... �
*A term of art from the artillery. Harassment and Interdiction Fires.
Back in the day, when you could just kill people and break things without a note from a lawyer, they were pre-planned, but to the enemy, random, fires at known gathering points, road junctions, Main Supply Routes, assembly areas, etc - to keep the bad guy nervous that the world around him might start exploding at any minute.
*Not really relevant to today's operating environment, right? But, it *is*
The UAVs (oops, can't call 'em UAVs anymore - they're now Unmanned Aerial Systems... some Colonel got his Legion of Merit for that change...), er, um UAS's we fly over Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for targets of opportunity are a form of H&I fires, if you really want to parse it finely. We just have better sensors and fire control now.
I call the post that because it's random things posted by me and people I've given posting privileges to. It's also an open trackback, so if someone has a post they're proud of, but it really isn't either Castle kind of stuff, or topical to a particular post, I've basically given blanket permission to use that post for that purpose. Another term of art that might be appropriate is "Free Fire Zone".
� Secure this line!
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
Small correction: it's David Akin, a television reporter for CTV who covers the goings-on in Ottawa.
posted by
Damian on May 25, 2007 9:12 AM
Ah, a blog. Leave a comment where an email is more effective... but scores fewer points!
Well, okay, it's really simpler, too.
8^)
After it's fixed, the comments don't make sense, either.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 25, 2007 9:24 AM
If I had wanted to score points, I would have pointed out that I blogged this yesterday at Babbling Brooks, but didn't think your readers would be interested in the verbal fencing that goes on in the Canadian House of Commons... ;)
Besides, I never know when you're entirely wired in and when you're busy with the rest of your life, John. As you said, a comment seemed easier and quicker - no snark or snub or point-scoring intended. I'll leave that to the Jay Hills and Denis Coderres of the world.
posted by
Damian on May 25, 2007 10:21 AM
oh johnny johnny boy...
the paroxyms you would have undergone, had you only had a tour of the two 40ft conex containers of captured pieces i had at Abu.
loverly little pieces they were, some in fine condition, some others not so much.
pieces that could well have told tales of Gallipoli, and many another place.
and all of them destined for the scrapper.
posted by MajMike on May 25, 2007 10:34 AM
Damian - the emoticon meant you weren't supposed to take it personally!
Score points = CAPT H and others.
Easier to comment than email = Damian and others.
Overall, just a comment on blog-culture.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 25, 2007 10:39 AM
A little note concerning Ry's snark about the young lady who is waiting for her diploma: she's not complaining about the consquences; she's complaining because the school expects her to foot the entire bill for the lawn repair!
To be honest, I think the other kids are being just a little bit chickencrap about this. Fess up, and pay your part of the fine.
On the other hand, it's hard to swallow that the damage (i.e. flowers) in the photograph will cost "thousands of dollars" to repair. But maybe the school is stuck with certain contractual providers for such a service.
Here's an idea: waive the fine, and allow the young lady and any other volunteers (no questions asked: wink, wink) to replace the grass themselves.
Naa. Makes too much sense.
posted by
Casey Tompkins on May 25, 2007 11:08 AM
One of my buddies commanded a Bde HHC in 1ID on their first trip to Iraq. In his company HQ, they had a gorgeous K98k Mauser. He left in the the company CP when they rotated out.
I wonder if there's a way that the Iraqi govt could make any money off the seized weapons that are importable. Have 'em put some sort of Iraqi capture stamp on them, I'll bet they'd bring a premium just for that. Or maybe send the CMP over to buy the old Mausers, Enfields, Mosins, etc that are floating around direct from the Iraqis and then sell them here
posted by
Heartless Libertarian on May 25, 2007 11:47 AM
Heartless, I doubt the CMP could do it, but Century, SARCO, Interordnance and those guys certainly could.
And yeah, I'd pay for a genuine article like that.
It's all part of the history.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 25, 2007 12:31 PM
Oh, and by the picture, that is a Sterling. Stock and barrel shroud are wrong for a Sten.
And yeah, I'd pay a bunch extra for and IA capture mark and associated papers-DTG, location, capturing unit, etc.
What they didn't mention is the Stg-44s, a bunch of which were apparently acquired by Syria after WWII. And the presence of Stalin's Banjos shouldn't be a mystery at all, given how many guns the CCCP dumped into that region during the Cold War. And all those Mausers dumped onto the world arms market after WWII as well...
posted by
Heartless Libertarian on May 25, 2007 3:22 PM
First - "Thousands of dollars worth of damage"? BS. Bigtime BS.
Second - Ratting is wrong. Period. She should not be pressured or encouraged to rat.
Third - I am going to email the author of the article and see if there's a way to send her a buck or two, even though it's a big peace sign, 'cause she didn't rat.
I had a similar situation. My younger son got caught skipping school (dumb, wrong, whatever). The person who caught him saw another student, but not closely enough to identify. By the time I was called down to the office, they were grilling Frank to give up the other kid. They told me that they were doubling Frank's suspension because he wouldn't give up the other kid's name. I asked them to show me where in the school handbook there was a rule that you had to name accomplices. There wasn't. I told them I would grieve the suspension and I was taking Frank out to lunch for not ratting. Frank saved the slip from the school administration because it detailed their frustration about not ratting. He showed my father and got $10 slipped to him.
When I tell that story to people from the city (Boston), they "get it" and nod. People from the 'burbs are disturbed. Whatever.
When I was little and I did something wrong, I was punished. Unless someone (i.e. my evil tattletale sister) ratted me out. My mother would look at Grace and say "Normally the punishment for XYZ is such-and-such, but now my hands are tied." Broke Grace of that habit.
And besides, I have to be on her side......her name is Maggie.
posted by
Maggie on May 25, 2007 4:46 PM
Maggie: agreed, snitches are scum. I never said she should rat out her friends; I just said her friends were really chickencrap for letting her dangle in the breeze like that. That's the other half of loyalty, isn't it?
I was wondering about the bill as well. As I asked above, does the school has a contract with a specific company, and must to go thru them?
Good on ya for your boy! Also, I like your idea about sending her a couple bucks, I can't afford much right now, but I imagine anything would help. :) Please let me know what you find out at: caseyt "atsymbol" thegantry dought net.
posted by
Casey Tompkins on May 26, 2007 1:37 AM
John: just followed the vintage weapons link, and even I'm drooling! I imagine you're dripping all over the keyboard over there... ;)
...Which sort of reminds me of someone I met at work tonight; a new server, who turns out to be passionately interested in history. My kinda gal. Except that she's half my age. And married. To a Marine. I don't get any breaks. {sniff}
But seriously, we got to talking (you should have seen her face when I said a had a copy of Churchill's History of the English Speaking Peoples I would be willing to lend her), and it turns out she was fortunate to know her great-grandmother and great-grandfather before they passed. Point being that great-grandaddy owned a Revolutionary War musket as well as a Civil War musket. Or do you already have those? {chuckle} Apparently an uncle inherited them.
I'd love to pick up some of those historical goodies myself, but considering I'd be lucky to afford a working Garand, forget it.
The "Iraqi stamp" idea sounds great. I doubt the income would be huge (millions of dollars don't go very far for governments these days, damn Dirksen's eyes!) but still it couldn't hurt.
posted by
Casey Tompkins on May 26, 2007 1:54 AM
Casey - concur on the friends stepping up. That's something I would have encouraged my son to do, although I'd like to think I wouldn't have needed to. I've raised them both to never leave their friends out in the wind. That's how I ended up with the two extra boys. Frank couldn't leave his friends in hostile homes. Remind me to be careful what I espouse!
I 'll let you know what I find.
posted by
Maggie on May 26, 2007 9:52 AM
I think our friend Maggie is going to be just fine. Another boy stepped up to the plate and according to his Facebook page, they have lots of support.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2386126741
posted by
Maggie on May 26, 2007 3:03 PM
Not to be catty, but I followed the link to CDR Salamandar's place and I have to say.....unimpressed. First, tasteless. Second, yeah, she's blond and tanned, but those muscles? She loooks as though she'd be equally interested in me as her dorky date. She scares me.
posted by
Maggie on May 27, 2007 11:05 AM
As to the peacenik vandal:
This is a hard lesson she learned early; standing for something means you are accountable.
I guess her friends are willing to let her pay their debt.
Wonder if she will get some new pals...?
posted by Cricket on May 28, 2007 8:04 AM
And I give myself a pat on the back because I posted my thoughts before I read the Denizens'.
I was ratted out once. I took the punishment.
Did it stop me from pulling pranks? Nope. I learned who I could trust.
My prank? There have been so many.
*fades to black*
posted by Cricket on May 28, 2007 8:14 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
The War Comes Home To Kansas, and Missouri.
As is our wont, the Master and Mistress of Argghhh! note the deaths of soldiers from the demesne of the Castle. This is a double-whammy of sorts, the death of a soldier from across the river in Independence, Missouri, who was assigned to the 1st Infantry Division at Fort Riley. Make it a three-fer - our newest young soldier tapping a keg at Fiddler's Green was also a Redleg, like the Armorer, the Armorer's Father, and the Armorer's Grandfather. I commanded at Fort Riley and am a veteran of the 1st Division, too.
FORT RILEY SOLDIER KILLED IN IRAQ
Spc. Benjamin Ashley, 22, was killed May 24 in Balad, Iraq, when the vehicle he was driving struck an improvised explosive device.
Ashley was a Field Artillery Tactical Data Systems Specialist assigned to 1st Battalion, 5th Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 1st Infantry Division. His home of record is Independence, Mo.
Ashley entered the Army in March 2004 and began serving in the 1st Inf. Div. in September 2005. This was his first deployment in support of the Global War on Terrorism.
To date, 100 Soldiers from Fort Riley have died while serving in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Specialist Ashley, Centurion of the Fort Riley contingent now holding forth at Fiddler's Green.
Apt, in a sense, to enter the Memorial Day weekend with a memorial post. This is who/what the holiday is about - not just a three day weekend. It will be a *very* tough weekend for Specialist Ashley's family.
Now is the time at Castle Argghhh! when we dance: In Memoriam.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
rest easy young redleg, rest easy.
posted by MajMike on May 25, 2007 3:38 PM
My thoughts and prayers go out to Specialist Ashley's family. This hits close to home for me. I have a new nephew (by marriage) serving in Balad. He was home in January and married my niece, who is also in the National Guard. I just found out she is scheduled to be called up to go to Afghanistan shortly after he gets home.
posted by NevadaDailySteve on May 25, 2007 10:17 PM
He looks like an earnest fellow in that pic.
As a somewhat "excessively earnest" person, myself, I do now stand up, take a sip of the fermented product, and spill some upon the ground while trying to think good thoughts about the guy.
Ok, back indoors, now.
Would y'all join me in Decatur's toast? Argghhh!
posted by
Justthisguy on May 26, 2007 2:19 AM
For those unfamiliar with JTG's exhorted toast..
"Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong."
Commodore Stephen Decatur, Jr., Bane of the Barbary Pirates.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 26, 2007 7:45 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
Dragon Skin, in context of the procurement system.
I just can't leave it alone. Neither can Cassandra.
WASHINGTON - The system for delivering badly needed gear to Marines in Iraq has failed to meet many urgent requests for equipment from troops in the field, according to an internal document obtained by The Associated Press.
Of more than 100 requests from deployed Marine units between February 2006 and February 2007, less than 10 percent have been fulfilled, the document says. It blamed the bureaucracy and a "risk-averse" approach by acquisition officials.
Another little gem, this time by a contractor, Titus Casazza, president of LE Systems:
"The bureaucrats and lab rats sitting behind a desk stateside are making decisions on what will be given to our soldiers even if contrary to the specific requests of these soldiers and their commanding generals," he said.
Read the whole article here. As always, I recommend you click through to get the whole context, not just my snippets.
This article came to my attention right after I got this email, from a good friend and former colleague, who is "In A Position To Know" - it has been redacted a touch at his request to protect the guilty, but while this talks about Dragon Skin, the part I'm quoting here is about more about procurement in general, with Dragon Skin as a training aid:
I have three general observations:
Theory vs. Practice. My experience with hundreds of “good ideas” is that most fail on the simple issue of environmental and operational conditions. Heat failure is the biggest problem – most things that the we see are engineered to commercial standards, typically about 120 degrees F. When exposed to higher temps, they start failing like jocks in a physics exam. Looks to me like that was Dragon Skin's number one problem. It also had big problems when exposed to petroleum products – not that getting soaked with diesel ever happens in real military life (sarcasm off). Bottom line is that they have a problem with their glues and laminations – I’d send them back to lab and tell them to fix it.
Weight budget. Everybody keeps adding weight and arguing that its only a few ounces or pounds. They all add up. [emphasis mine] Dragon Skin offers a slightly larger coverage area, but imposes a severe weight penalty. Not too many soldiers are going to sign up for that, ATEC, PEO Soldier, and the Acquisition Corps aside.
Snake Oil Salesmen. I haven’t met this guy [Murray Neal, CEO of Pinnacle Systems], but he reminds me of others of his ilk whom have beaten a path to the Services. They claim to be interested in saving soldiers lives, but their behavior suggests that their real interest is in sales and profits. Most of these guys are very good at leveraging their political and media contacts and know how to push the right buttons. They don’t take no for an answer, and will badger the politicians and bureaucrats until they get what they want. I am very suspicious of this guy. His stuff may have promise, the idea has been around for a few thousand years, but he clearly doesn’t have it right yet. I have a pretty low opinion of the [Un-named Federal Agency] dicks (gets lower every day based on my daily experiences), and of the Acquisition Corps overall, but when forced to make a call between what the Army is saying, vs NBC, this guy, and self serving politicians – I’m going with the Army for the time being.
Just noting that no one seems to be happy with the procurement system. As noted in the paper cited by the AP article:
"Process worship cripples operating forces," according to the document. "Civilian middle management lacks technical and operational currency."
Word.
*That said* my Impeccable Source With Experience In The Field added this when I sent him this post to make sure I wasn't violating a trust and confidence:
I saw the article on Marine gear. This article is based on a false premise. It assumes that the 100 urgent requests from Marine units were all valid. From my experience, they aren’t. Many ONS (Operational Needs Statements), UONS (Urgent Operational Needs Statements), and JUONS (Joint Urgent Operational Needs Statements) that I have seen are redundant, OBE, and just the military version of Home Shopping Network. With access to the internet, many units surf around for “neat stuff” and ask someone else to buy it for them. Often they ask for stuff that has already been looked at and rejected in favor of another solution. Sometimes they ask for stuff that just doesn’t work. Congress can claim that they are prepared to “take care of the troops”, but the cold hard truth is that they have funded DoD at a level that does not permit buying everything on the wish list, and we shouldn’t.
I think that what is correct about this report is that the Marines were late to the table on MRAP. The Army moved ahead with small buys for specialized missions: Route Clearance and EOD. The Marines passed. After they saw how the EOD vehicles (Cougar and RG31) performed in theater, they reversed course and went for the whole enchilada. [Army procurement] is overrun by all of the MRAP candidates running around going through the testing gauntlet. They are a big improvement over the uparmored HMMWV’s, but the production line is going to take a while to gear up.
The Army bought lots of the laser dazzlers for the troops and, I believe, some for the Marines as well. They have been very popular as a EOF tool [Armorer's note: Escalation Of Force], do a great job stopping civilian cars at checkpoints and without the body damage associated with 5:1 .50 cal [Armorer's note: 5:1 means 5 ball, 1 tracer mix]. Don’t know why MCCDC rejected the laser dazzler.
As ever - everything is muddier and less spectacular than will fit in the column-inches provided. Lose context, you can even change meaning. One nice thing about a blog - you can update it as it goes along.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
i'm surprised the laser dazzlers ever made it past TJAG, in light of {heh, made a funny} Geneva/Hague prohibitions on blinding weapons.
such was the fate of an earlier system i was a little tangential too in an early job. (still have my DEW patch as a souvenier)
posted by MajMike on May 25, 2007 10:40 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
The Iraq War supplemental.
"We will bring this war to a responsible end by every single solitary day, vote after vote, keeping the pressure on the president," said Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del).
I see that both Kansas Democrats, Nancy Boyda (my rep) and Dennis Moore (who represents metro Kansas City, Ks and environs) voted *for* the supplemental. Ms. Boyda, who has Fort Leavenworth and Fort Riley in her district voted as I'd hoped, and I suspect her vote was representative of the district as a whole, though I'm sure that there is *plenty* of outraged and vituperous email stuffing her inbox, much of it from .edu addressess (she also has two large universities in her district...).
While I've not been happy with the tone and approach of the players in this drama, I would note that the Dems, with the exception of the timeline for withdrawal, have gotten some of what they were after, and much of that *is* what I think voters nationwide were wanting to see happen - a change and shift in policy, and more pressure on a weak Iraqi government to step up to the plate and take more responsibility and a greater sense of urgency (though I would submit - the *Iraqis* are paying a much higher price than we are in this, and some of the wailing over our losses and silence on the sacrifices of the Iraqis leaves me cold).
And the President has been forced/chosen to adopt some of the elements of the Baker/Hamilton recommendations - which represents a change in policy. Again, it's sausage, and no one is happy - which strikes me as overall, probably as good a balance as we can ask for. The signs out of Iraq are mixed, but again - anyone who expected it to go radically one way or another was, I think, destined to be disappointed.
Senator Russ Feingold, (D-Wis) asserts that the Congress is not following the will of the people by forcing the President to end our presence in Iraq.
Heh. I think the Senator overstates things. There's a reason 44% of the Dems in the House voted *for* the bill.
They want to keep their jobs. Sure, MoveOn is threatening. And they get lots of press. But Joe and Jane Six-Pack, they're not averse to success. They don't want the troops screwed while in combat. They don't like the way the war is going - of course, they get most of their news from people who didn't/don't support the war at all, so... but they didn't like the way the Dems were approaching the issue, either. And I'm guessing the 44% of Dems who voted *for* the bill got a lot of input from their districts that indicated something along those lines.
"We will bring this war to a responsible end by every single solitary day, vote after vote, keeping the pressure on the president," said Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del).
Heh. I would suggest that is *exactly* what the American people want.
We will bring this war to a responsible end by every single solitary day.
Me too, Senator. Me too. The key word in that sentence is... responsible, not end.
The immigration bill.
Whooeee - hasn't that sucker generated some passion, both here and elsewhere.
I was going to link to some specific posts... but right now Denizen Bloodspite's Techography site is All Immigration, Alla Time... Um, Bloodspite is *not* a fan of the bill, nor current immigration policy, I might add.
Neither is Dusty, the Instapilot. This came to me under the subject line of "You're fired." I admit my first reaction was - "Hey, waidaminnit! I own this joint - you can't fire me!" and then I opened it and read it:
Senator XXXXXXXX,
I understand you voted against an amendment to the immigration bill that would remove the amnesty provisions for illegal aliens. I also believe you voted against any attempt to end the practice in "sanctuary cities" of prohibiting local law enforcement from inquiring about immigration status and reporting findings to federal officials.
I cannot explain to my daughter why a sitting senator would:
1) consciously vote against any effort to uphold our national sovereignty by tacitly endorsing unlawful entry into this country, or;
2) how a Republican would actively encourage state and local officials to not enforce federal attempts to identify and apprehend foreign nationals on US soil in a time of war.
I'm done. You will never, ever get my vote for reelection.
Respectfully,
The Instapilot, Col, USAF, Ret.
Somewhere, USA.
That was clear enough, I think.
So, where do I stand?
1. I think any bill this large and putatively comprehensive, should die abornin'. Huge bills like this are usually so internally contradictory (plenty of evidence of that in the detailed analysis put out by the think tanks of all stripes) that it will end up being whatever whichever political appointee bureaucrat or Federal judge says it is, as it goes through the inevitable interpretation and litigation processes - and that what comes out the end will be what mostly unaccountable federal officials say it is, not necessarily what individual Representatives, Senators, and President thought it would be. Talk about 6 blind men and an elephant...
So, no, I'm not in favor of this bill. I'd rather have smaller, tighter, more focused bills. There's no reason to rush this monster anywhere but the morgue, and start over.
That said - anything that has just about everybody unhappy with it can't be all bad, in that it has to have been pushed to the center in the sausage-making that is the legislative process. But count me also as one of those people who simply doesn't trust the Federal government, as it currently stands (and this would include a Democrat administration, mind you) to actually enforce the "enforceable" provisions of this bill, if only because it's so full of contradictions... well, see my discussion of Federal Officialdom above.
Count me also among the people described below by Ramesh Ponnuru in a discussion of the WSJ's attack on National Review:
Daniel Henninger says that the bill's opponents' objection to illegal immigration "is fundamentally cultural and they can't say that." Kathryn objected to that idea, and it does paint with too broad a brush, but I do think that Henninger is on to something important. A very big part of what we mean by assimilation is that newcomers will adopt the native culture (while also, of course, changing it in some respects). A major reason for popular anxiety over current immigration policies is the fear that this assimilation is not taking place, or not taking place fast enough, and that as a result the country runs the risk of cultural balkanization. I don't know why that should be unsayable.
I do have cultural objections. There is a reason that many people want to flee/leave where they are and come here - they perceive greater opportunity (some find that also comes with greater risk, too). And those who wish to come to better themselves - I say let 'em come! They help infuse us with entrepreneurial blood. And they can't help but influence our culture - but I do have concerns that the nature of much public policy today is designed to encourage them to balkanize, and not assimilate. And to maintain their comfort bubbles from home - which, of course, contain many of the seeds of the pathologies of *why they left* in the first place. In the give and take and rough and tumble of social interaction, much of what they bring to the table that is good will be adopted by the culture at large. But if we encourage them to "fort up" in enclaves (which most first generation waves do anyway) and provide incentive to *stay* in their enclaves... well, that's the recipe for balkanizing this country. Which I don't think is a good thing.
I want to send Congress back into their conferences and committees, and tell 'em to start over.
And give us multiple bills, not a huge omnibus mess.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
I'd be happy if we just addressed the problem incrementally, rather than having such a broad, sweeping bill that has to be compromised so much.
Step 1:
1) Stop the hemorrghaging at the border. Plug the holes, build a fence, step up patrols, whatever. Without secure borders and without knowing who, exactly, is coming in, we're definitely vulnerable to infiltration by terrorists.
2) Enforce immigration rules at the employer level, and penalize employers for violating existing laws.
3) Improve ways for documented immigrants to get work visas, green cards, whatever, and then improve on - if needed - the path to legitimate and legal citizenship.
posted by fdcol63 on May 25, 2007 7:48 AM
Andy McCarthy also has a pretty good NRO response to the WSJ that I think represents a lot of the national security/law & order focused opponents:
"I don't want to kick the illegals out of the country....the illegals have chosen to be illegal so it's not unfair to make them live with that choice..."
Also, Bill Bennett has a great analogy on immigration, 'The Gates Test'
posted by
Charlie Foxtrot on May 25, 2007 8:58 AM
In order to be somewhat more informational versus a rant, one my partners (P_G_S) is posting the opposite view, why the Bill is good, while I'm just hammering :)
My view on it a little skewed. I'm all for Legal immigration. I have no problem with 400,000 or 200,00 as long as they are key word *Legal*.
I like Charlie Foxtrot's quote above :) I also like how Cobb put it recently:
I don't think we have too many cars on the road, but everyone who subverts the system destroys the commons and undermines the rule of law as well as respect for it. The only way to establish respect for the process of immigration in America is to insist on enforcement for the law. You simply cannot drive around with no plates and tags. If this system isn't fixed for real, then there is going to be road rage............
...... Let us presume the inevitability of three things.
1. America forgets about Iraq.
2. One terrorist attack succeeds on American soil through Mexico.
3. The coming immigration bill is loaded with compromise.
This is the nightmare that awaits.
* Every container ship that is unloaded by Mexicans, every truck that is driven my Mexicans, every Mexican in the transportation business will be under attack.
* Civil Libertarians will be crapping bricks and wishing for something as mild and pleasant as GTMO.
* Mexicans turning on Mexicans will be brought into media focus.
* MS 13 replaces AQ on everybody's lips.
* Vigilantes will rise.
* Tourism to Mexico will stop.
* Taco Bells will be set afire.
* Popular Latinos will become professional pets.
* Police CRASH units will be reinstated.
* Black vs Latino gang violence will escalate in the streets, in the schools, in the jails and in the prisons.
Like the man said it's hard to deport 3million people. But when you start fining companies, fining home and apartment owners, essentially holding those who abuse the predicament of Illegals....making it a unfriendly place to be illegal versus legal, then we have substantially changed the status quo.
Versus encouraging it further which I believe the bill does. I'd LOVE to get amnesty for all my speeding ticket. But I'm a citizen of these United States. What does a little thing like the Law mean, right?
:P
posted by
BloodSpite on May 25, 2007 11:32 AM
Until the 535 representatitve members of the Republic's citizens believe the rule of law is paramount to a Western nation's survival, the merits of ANY legislative proposal are irrelevant.
My beef is about fundamentals--an elected legislator can pass a law; that's his/her job (alas) but if they vote AGAINST enforcing an existing law, what are they, as legislators? To me, you're either a towering hypocrite, a breathtaking cynic, or an idiot. In my case, my senator is a little of all three (with apologies to the idiots out there).
The disconnect between American politicians today and their constituents over one of the most fundamental principals I, as a VERY ordinary citizen, assume to be a given, i.e., one should obey our laws or change them through the legislative process, just makes my head explode. Until we wrench ourselves back to the civilized path of a modern representative democracy, we will continue to cultivate cynicism in our citizens and contempt from the illegal aliens violating our national soveriegnty.
If it was in my power, I would recall my Senator immediately. He's a disgrace for supporting law breakers both in our country (the "sanctuary" city governments) and outside it (illegals).
To quote a friend, "Argghhh!!!"
posted by
Instapilot on May 26, 2007 12:18 AM
Did not the Mexican Government of the time sign the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo?
Did we not pay them lots of money for territory we'd already taken by conquest?
Did we not only annex the parts of Mexico which had very few Mexicans in them, or, like California, had Mexicans who were fed up with the Mexican Government?
Yah, I know about the Texicans and Negro Slavery, but I've also read "Two Years Before the Mast."
Everyone should read Dana's description of criminal justice in California when the place was run by Mexicans.
Hint: The "justice" was right godawfully criminal
posted by
Justthisguy on May 26, 2007 1:55 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
The Whatziss, continued.
To get caught up, go here. Mind you, you should follow that link for Rivrdog's comment alone!
Okay, this Whatziss is like the Indian legend about the six blind men and the elephant, except in this case, you *all* get to see the clues out of context together and compare notes as you are going along, vice each getting a unique piece. I haven't figured out how to torture you that way...
Okay, next snapshot up for bids -

Here's a view from the side of the same area.
This will actually be a great example of a "forest for the trees" kind of thing - once we get far enough away from the object - it will become perfectly clear for most of you.
Yesterday's shot *was* of a component of a guidance/aiming system, albeit *not* a gyro as posited.
'rrRRp! Oops. Excuse me. (If that doesn't make sense, then you didn't pay attention to the second sentence of this post... so it's your fault you're confused.)
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
have i sat in an air conditioned room with binoculars whilst this device was being employed?
posted by MajMike on May 25, 2007 8:11 AM
Mebbe. Depends.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 25, 2007 8:25 AM
I'm thinkng it is part of a fine Ford product. Ford Instrument, that is. An angle transducer, maybe.
posted by
Justthisguy on May 25, 2007 10:47 AM
Nope. Wrong path, JTG.
It has nothing to do with this.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 25, 2007 11:09 AM
TSFO
posted by MajMike on May 25, 2007 11:37 AM
Here's my shot in the dark for today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M242
It's either that or a real big juicer.
I've sat through too many meetings lately. My butt is numb and I can't think. Maybe my wife is right about where my brain is located.
posted by
NevadaDailySteve on May 25, 2007 12:06 PM
Heh. That's a fair bit 'o bakelite for a TSFO (Training Set, Fire Observation for the, um, er, *average citizens* in the crowd) or a Bushmaster.
Nope, and nope.
MajMike - I thought you might be angling for this... but since it could have been other items as well, I gave you the "mebbe".
This is an artifact *in* the posession of the Armorer and Arsenal. As yet (note, I said, "yet") we've not scored a TSFO or UCOFT, for that matter. Though wouldn't a functional UCOFT be fun (Unit Conduct Of Fire Trainer)?
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 25, 2007 12:37 PM
Rivrdog ~ how, exactly, does one direct arty fire from the seat of one's pants? Do you have diagrams of such?
I'll be with Maggie over at the bar. But she can keep the squids ;) Not my taste.
Bartender? Whiskey old fashioned please?
posted by
HomefrontSix on May 25, 2007 1:56 PM
Here ya go, ma'am. Yeah, IIRC, you're into rotorheads... or rather he's into... oh, never mind.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 25, 2007 2:40 PM
I guess you could say we both are into rotorheads. heh.
And thank you kindly for the drink.
posted by
HomefrontSix on May 25, 2007 3:42 PM
my initial thoughts were along the lines of some kind of rate sensor for a traversing gear box, but then you kinda gave a nod towards "component of a training aid", so between that and "not TSFO or UCOFT", i am reduced to flailing away at SIMNET, (for which we didn't particularly replicate turret motion of much else), so now i'm right back to being completely confused (having traversed the Great Circle route to get there).
posted by MajMike on May 25, 2007 3:44 PM
And yer gonna be grumpy with me when you realize how disingenous I was being.
Yes, a version/simulacrum of this could have been involved in sim training you have conducted, whether live, virtual, or constructive.
The object in question is used to train the users of the object.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 25, 2007 4:01 PM
HFS - yes, I take your point. MacGyver, like you, does have more than an academic interest in rotorheads, too.
Though his manipulation of the cyclic is different (one hopes rather strenuously so) from yours, though the net achievement is the same - achieving great heights with safe landings.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 25, 2007 4:05 PM
HFS - That's one of the reasons you are always welcome to the barstool next to mine! I don't share well.
Guys, you lucked out that she asked for a whiskey old-fashioned. Heaven's forfend she ask for one of those foolish Mojito things. You need to go out to the Castle Garden near the moat and get mint. Then you need a mortar and pestle. I don't know if she needs a bartender or an alchemist!
posted by
Maggie on May 25, 2007 4:52 PM
John ~ great heights are good. Safe landings are better. I'm sure there are others here who can attest to that as well. The acrobatics can be fun as well *wink* And yes, I'm much more gentle with the cyclic than he is.
Maggie ~ I don't share well either, having been raised an only child. And this week has not been one for mojitos. It was almost a week for shots of whiskey and nothing more.
posted by
HomefrontSix on May 25, 2007 5:04 PM
Okay - [yank, tug, pull] let's get this thread back on track!
Though I do like a mojito. And the mint does grow out by the curtain walls. Truly.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 25, 2007 7:28 PM
See, Maggie. Not as difficult as that bartender made it seem. Helps when you have a lime tree in the backyard to go along with the mint.
All this talk of mojitos and I might just have to go make one. Raspberry this time.
John ~ no, no, no. You're not supposed to yank on it. A gentle touch usually gets you further...
posted by
HomefrontSix on May 25, 2007 7:52 PM
OHHHHH! She shoots! She scores!
posted by
Maggie on May 25, 2007 10:24 PM
[PG-17C whines in its power-save sleep] Cyclic stress-testing involves bakelite? Who knew?
(goes off to study the diagrams again ....)
posted by
bad cat robot on May 25, 2007 10:51 PM
BCR ~ hee hee. I'm doing my best to toe the line on the PG-17 rater. I needed a good chuckle today though.
As for the item in question, I think I see piston-return springs...
posted by
HomefrontSix on May 25, 2007 11:07 PM
maggie.......MAGGIE????
Bell -47....no ahhhhhhh BARTENDER!!!!
posted by Richard on May 25, 2007 11:46 PM
Umm, even I know, and thought everybody knew, that the minumum necessary gentlest touch on the stick is always best for the smooth maneuvers and a long-lasting good time.
I mean, one can yank it about violently, but surely that's only necessarily if one doesn't understand his machine and is operating by rote and mindless drill.
posted by
Justthisguy on May 26, 2007 2:44 AM
I wonder what goes in that hole, right in the middle of that picture.
Now that we're down in the gutter, and all.
Surely the AF has set its Websense controls to allow gear porn?
posted by
Justthisguy on May 26, 2007 2:59 AM
I wonder what goes in that hole, right in the middle of that picture.
I don't know but it appears to have a guide of some sort leading TO the hole so even the most inexperienced of us all can get it right. Or so I would hope.
posted by
HomefrontSix on May 26, 2007 4:11 AM
since my first round was off, but i carefully observed it, my next xmsn would be..
"adjust fire, over"
"drop 'ward'"
"add '/controller'"
posted by MajMike on May 26, 2007 4:37 AM
"FFE"
..and then i watch with my binoculars from my air conditioned room to see if that particular xmsn sends YOU scurrying around.
(and trust me when i say that the last thing i ever wanted to see was you and/or yours driving over to visit my air conditioned room)
posted by MajMike on May 26, 2007 4:41 AM
Heh. HFS - as some are wont to say, "That hole is *exit* only!"
Time to shut down this thread and redirect you guys to the next clue, methinks!
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 26, 2007 7:12 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
May 24, 2007
H&I Fires May 24, 2007
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Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread...since I'm both, I'm stealing the march on the rest of the Denizens.
First, Godspeed PFC Anzack, may God comfort your family.
Now, lets not forget the Heroes of the War on Terror: Wednesday Heroes. We've got Silver Stars and Flying Crosses. Nope, this ain't your daddy's Lucky Charms.
Second, Outside the Wire talks about Cellular Battle Space and it sets off another post about "information war" in counterinsurgencies: Cellular Battle Space and Legend Killers
Third, for the morning, The Crime Against Kansas. Guess which party has been trying to take our guns away for over 150 years in the name of "Law and Order"?
-Kat
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Military Medicine - in some respects, re-discovering old skills and organization, and in many key respects, advancing the tactics, techniques, and procedures of emergency medicine. In ways that in the end may benefit us all. In and of itself not a reason to go to war, but we'll take whatever we can out of it that is positive.
Living your Faith while in the US Army. Now I know I'm projecting, but I'm guessing discussions like this probably wouldn't happen in a Sharia-governed military service. Just guessin'. -the Armorer
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Much ink has been spilled and hot air released over the Canadian airwaves about recent polls showing public support for the Afghan mission dropping north of the 49th, and many bits and pixels too. But I recently received an e-mail from a serving soldier that I believe clarifies the terms of a somewhat scattered national discussion. That soldier is about to be posted away from the Afghan mission, and I find it telling that he said to me "I don't need a break, I need for people to do the right thing." - Damian
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Sure, it’s funny, but stuff like this is what makes me a bit more amenable to blogging and social networking site bans by DoD. Funny, but in terms of the 24/7 media driven world with a media savvy enemy is it smart? The ‘strategic corporal’ is a double edged sword.
--ry(Yeah, yeah, yeah, I’m anti-fun, and according to some elitist too. Whatever.)
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Actually, Ry, on this one, I'm with you.
Heh. Wonder if it is an age thing in some respects (referring to the discussion in comments over at John's place). I chose to not post this last week because I didn't think it advanced the cause in any useful form, and just provided fodder for the anti's, with no real useful upside.
But, William B. makes a case:
The thing that got me reading military blogs was the uncensored, unbiased accuracy delivered by bloggers. This may not be a politically correct photo, but it does shine a little more light into the lives of our warriors in Afghanistan and what they are thinking and feeling
However, I believe the form that William B. extols is better served via email and sitting around the bar, as in the way we used to, methinks.
But, we have to exist in the current environment, which is where things like this are going to be out there.
So, I won't knock John for posting it - but I won't pat him on the back for it, either.
Simply because we *can* doesn't mean it's a net good to do so.
Obviously, mileage varies on this issue. -the Armorer
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Flash Traffic (extended entry) Follows... �
*A term of art from the artillery. Harassment and Interdiction Fires.
Back in the day, when you could just kill people and break things without a note from a lawyer, they were pre-planned, but to the enemy, random, fires at known gathering points, road junctions, Main Supply Routes, assembly areas, etc - to keep the bad guy nervous that the world around him might start exploding at any minute.
*Not really relevant to today's operating environment, right? But, it *is*
The UAVs (oops, can't call 'em UAVs anymore - they're now Unmanned Aerial Systems... some Colonel got his Legion of Merit for that change...), er, um UAS's we fly over Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for targets of opportunity are a form of H&I fires, if you really want to parse it finely. We just have better sensors and fire control now.
I call the post that because it's random things posted by me and people I've given posting privileges to. It's also an open trackback, so if someone has a post they're proud of, but it really isn't either Castle kind of stuff, or topical to a particular post, I've basically given blanket permission to use that post for that purpose. Another term of art that might be appropriate is "Free Fire Zone".
� Secure this line!
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
How do you know the person on the right in the photo doesn't read English? Many in that part of the world see no problem with dating outside their species...
As far as what the "public" thinks of the photo/sentiment, maybe it's time we start our own cognitive dissonance. Everytime some civilian says that was wrong; we say, well, why don't you join up and show us how you would do it?
posted by Oldloadr on May 24, 2007 12:48 PM
Oldloadr - because they might, and then fraggings would start...?
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 24, 2007 1:23 PM
heh. it's a sheep farger joke.
i don't care who ya are, that right there is funny.
(doesn't help the "cause", but it is funny)
posted by MajMike on May 24, 2007 1:30 PM
Aren't you supposed to ask the Lord for forgiveness now, and mumble something about the pygmies in New Guinea?
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 24, 2007 1:33 PM
John, forgot aboout the fraggings. Thanks for bringing me back to reality. You got to admit though, it would be fun to watch them sputter and cough if you called them on all the crap they spew forth...
posted by Oldloadr on May 24, 2007 2:29 PM
...and for that little kid i sponsor named {click}{bop}.
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posted by Total Assault on May 24, 2007 4:14 PM
John,
I'm enjoy reading about how the military medical field works. As I mentioned to you at the conference, my hobby is Civil War period medicine. As you collect firearms, I collect instruments, manuals, etc.
What's really interesting is watching how technology changres the approach and understanding to battlefield medicine. yet, some things don't change that much.
It was, after all, Jonathan Letterman, ACW Army Surgeon, who devised triage. He also started to implement the procedures we use today for layered treatment starting near the battleline, and proceeding through evacuation to the division hospitals, and then on to General Hospitals at various cities.
Under Letterman, by the end of the war, the system in place for identifying, stabilising, evacuating and treating wounded of all classes. I would venture to say that a modern Military Surgeon, stepping back in time, could easily identify all of the various components of the system and see their counterparts in today's military.
We know more about disease roday. In the CW, germs were unknown as carriers of pathogens. Infection was thought of as a normal course of healing. Lister and Pasteur were just then beginning to publish their findings.
Absent the concept of sterilisation, however, the modern military medical system was in place, from injectable morphine to chloroform and ether for surgery, to purpose-built railway hospital cars and horse-drawn ambulances, to field packs specially designed for field medical equipment,(think medical molle bag)the foundations were all in place.
It a neat and often overlooked part of the whole, and I am glad that, from time to time, it gets some well-deserved recognition.
Respects,
posted by AW1 Tim on May 24, 2007 5:05 PM
mullah cimoc say iraki having the two gonad. just for this never to stop fighting.
also, all iraki woman tell him husband: 'omar, you needing for to kill three ameriki for be influence and position in new iraq". in new irak only one kind vote them counting. this the body bag. no body bag credits equal no for vote in new irak.
ameriki obedient slave of israeli masters. for this ameriki society so destroy. remember the vietnam. what am punishment for vietnam war. you remember: the lesbian, the homosexual, the woman power, the man degrade, the children cry, the grandparent not have in usa for so many baby him killing.
now aztec and maya take land for punish. ameriki to lose all him land and be destroy jut like the ancient time. before the fall, goeth the pride. this from bible. someday ameriki waking up and learn true. then israeli spy and neocon (same thing) he receive the true punish.
posted by mullah cimoc on May 24, 2007 8:27 PM
John,
Looks like someone forgot to set out the roach motel last night..... heh.
Of course, I think that the "iraki men" are just terrified that one day the womefolk will burn their burkhas and start dealing with their several issues that have been repressed for quite some time now.
THAT should be fun to watch.
Heh.
posted by AW1 Tim on May 24, 2007 9:59 PM
I thought that people who looked like the guy on the right were more into goats, and that Oz was the place where the men were men, and the sheep knew it?
Jtg, who assures you all that his knowledge about these things comes entirely from nasty stories on websites like this one, and not personal experience.
posted by
Justthisguy on May 25, 2007 3:18 AM
What people don't get isn't that I'm saying 'Don't ever do this'. I'm saying keep it out of general circulation. Take all the s3x with goats pics you want. Use your AKO account to send it to all your friends, and tell your friends to enjoy it but not post it on a web site. Likely the same number of people who would enjoy it would still see it, given exponential expansion(if each person who received it sent it to another two...) method of distrubution that is email, without playing straight into the hands of propagandists for the other side. You can do honest and gritty and real without slagging the mission. That's it.
I don't think the Troop is dumb for taking the foto. He's just not, well, being very judicious in distribution.
posted by ry on May 25, 2007 5:48 AM
What people don't get isn't that I'm saying 'Don't ever do this'. I'm saying keep it out of general circulation.
Which is generally what I said in support.
Of course, the troops who took the pic may have done just that.
*I* got the picture in email.
And chose not to post it.
I don't think John should have, either. That would be John Noonan of Op-For, in case anyone is confused.
Of course, you can point to that and say, "See? The auld phart senior officer has been completely co-opted by the system and just doesn't get it - while the Lieutenant understands!"
And, maybe not be wrong.
Maybe.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 25, 2007 5:56 AM
Actually its New Zealand.
Sex with sheep is a national pass time.
When they're full we export them and you lot eat them.
posted by
Murray on May 25, 2007 6:12 AM
"You lot" would be Ozzies. Well, that and people who eat the lamb chops at Outback...
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 25, 2007 6:28 AM
Actually "you lot" would be #1 Australia, #2 US ahead of Japan and China.
We get a free trade deal and its greasy mutton three times a week.
You're pretty safe though, Klark just can't keep her mouth shut when there's Yank bashing to be done and for some reason W just doesn't seem to be falling over himself to help her out.
posted by
Murray on May 25, 2007 6:40 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
Posted Sans Commentary.
From Iran Daily.
Researchers Build Micro-Submarines
TEHRAN, May 23--Researchers at the University of Tehran have built two types of micro-submarines, the project director said Wednesday. Aqil Yousefi-Koma added that the two submarines can be used in reconnaissance and rescue operations as well as for monitoring the health of marine structures and suicide bombing, ISNA reported.
Yousefi-Koma said these submarines can also simulate the movement of marine animals.
“Today, robots and underwater vehicles are devised by simulating aquatic animals. This simulation will boost the efficiency of robots and reduce the possibility of interception by enemy radars,“ he said.
The researcher noted that advanced software programs were used for simulating the movements of sharks, adding that the project is aimed at building unmanned submarines with a lower probability of interception.
Yousefi-Koma noted that each submarine weighs 1,100 grams and has been tested successfully.
Okay, I lied. Love the dual-use capability being contemplated.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
They weigh a tad over two pounds each... must be proof-of-concept devices. Be interesting to see if they can scale them up into something *useful* without sacrificing their covert nature.
Assuming they exist in the first place, natch...
posted by Neffi on May 24, 2007 11:51 AM
Funny, lat night the favorite Naval consort emailed this to me from the Navy Times. I thought, "Yeah, I'll get to this.........." Now you have it. I guess I better go with the flow and read it, huh?
posted by
Maggie on May 24, 2007 1:01 PM
Neffi,
Are you suggesting that the Iranians don't have 200 mph torpedoes and other fantastical armaments like they claim?
I'm as shocked as Claude Raines in Casablanca to think that the Iranians might not be 100 percent truthful about their accomplishments.
posted by
NevadaDailySteve on May 24, 2007 1:21 PM
Heaven forfend I should imply that the veracity of the University of Tehran's spokesdude is not up to scratch, NDS! (snigger)
But I'd love to have a robotic shark, myself. About ten feet long... imagine the fun you could have at the beach...
babum babum babum babumbabum babumbabumbabumbabum
posted by Neffi on May 24, 2007 4:11 PM
The same guy who built their 200 mph torpedo's also developed their homeopathic AIDS cure.....
posted by
BloodSpite on May 24, 2007 9:34 PM
The question is not do the tadpoles exist, but from who did they acquire them.
Cheers
posted by J.M. Heinrichs on May 24, 2007 9:46 PM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
Whatziss?
This one will be painful. Maggie won't like it at all. Prolly take us into the weekend for those who wish to play.
I can't wait to see how inventive you clowns get...
A small, but key, section of the gizmo. Without it, well, that would be telling.

No, I don't really expect you to get it from this clue. I just want to see how imaginative you guys get!
I'm pretty sure you'll think it's kewl when it's over, though.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
World War 2 Radio Set
posted by
BloodSpite on May 24, 2007 8:18 AM
I'm not playing. I'll be over at the bar.
posted by
Maggie on May 24, 2007 8:20 AM
Gyroscopic stabilization platform for a WWII era 5" 54 caliber Naval gun...
posted by
Pogue on May 24, 2007 8:34 AM
This is the famous Grafenwoehr "Grid Light Generator" It sits behind Range Control at GTA and is only activated when 2LTs call Range Control on the Range Control freq during night firing exercises and ask to have the grid lights turned on. This grid light generator has never been known to be operational, as Range Control usually responds to such requests with: "Negative, the grid light generator is down".
posted by leavenworth centurion on May 24, 2007 8:59 AM
It's a training aid...
posted by Oldloadr on May 24, 2007 9:03 AM
Oldloadr is correct. You're that much closer.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 24, 2007 9:21 AM
Oh, and Maggie - the bar is newly stocked, you should be able to find just about anything you're looking for.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 24, 2007 9:28 AM
It's a comms static generator for really accurate wargaming. No more of this completely clear communications nonsense -- the trainees have to contend with barely being able to make out the words and sometimes making hilarious mistakes.
posted by
bad cat robot on May 24, 2007 9:41 AM
Aux Power Unit for Iranian sub/sharks.
posted by MajMike on May 24, 2007 12:02 PM
How about a training aid gyro for something "old" that needed a gyro (e.g. Navy deck gun, WWII era fighter/bomber...)
Am I getting warm?
posted by Oldloadr on May 24, 2007 12:58 PM
Its the prndl assembly, minus the kanibbling pin and muffler bearing. Used to adjust range of motion when AO is located in regions where the right to keep armed bears is exercised.
posted by
concretebob on May 24, 2007 1:00 PM
It served a purpose similar to a gyro, though that is not what it is.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 24, 2007 1:01 PM
You stocked the bar with Sailors? Excellent! Thanks John.
posted by
Maggie on May 24, 2007 1:04 PM
Maggie sure likes a lot of salt in her diet...
posted by Oldloadr on May 24, 2007 1:10 PM
It served a purpose similar to a gyro, though that is not what it is.
A bar stool stabilizer at the local officers club
posted by
NevadaDailySteve on May 24, 2007 1:11 PM
It's the balance stabilizer from the Rita'O'Matic.
It helps wimins keep their balance when over indulging.
I don't need em, Scoresby is a stabilizer all of it's own.
posted by
jim b on May 24, 2007 3:06 PM
Hmmm, an accelerometer maybe? I'm sticking with Naval gun platform stabilization. And, yeah, a training aid...
posted by
Pogue on May 24, 2007 3:56 PM
An Edelbrock...nevermind.
posted by Toluca Nole on May 24, 2007 4:39 PM
Snerk! Hadda look "Edelbrock" up!~
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 24, 2007 5:06 PM
Perhaps it measures accuracy of fire or something.
posted by Trias on May 24, 2007 7:45 PM
Well crap I knew what Edelbrock is.
When do you do a Mopar Whatzat?
posted by
jim b on May 24, 2007 9:13 PM
Ooo good call Jim. Or maybe a Carter AFB whatzit?
(That ought to send the Zoomies in to a tail spin...)
posted by BloodSpite on May 24, 2007 9:35 PM
"Hadda look "Edelbrock" up!"
- Snort!
I guess that eliminates Amal, or a Miller-Offenhauser do-dad ...
Cheers
posted by J.M. Heinrichs on May 24, 2007 9:38 PM
Must be Army, Arty. Neither Navy or Air Farce painted parts red.
It's a Redleg Retread Pegleg Stabilization Unit. The wiring on the yoke axis is for sensors to pick off the pegleg angles, so it's tied into an analog computer, the Redleg Retread Pegleg Stab Unit Mainframe, which weighed 5,414 lbs and required the use of an M35 Redleg Retread Pegleg Stab Unit Mainframe Hauler (and trailer to carry the Mark VII (mod 2A6) Redleg Retread Pegleg Stab Unit Mainframe Generator Unit (Sled Mounted).
I could go on, but you will find all of this in FM 0-25-106-90(A), annotated.
The history of the RRPSU was short and sweet. In 1