We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2007 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:52:07 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2008 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification Brian Ross and Dana Hughes of ABC News are witless tools of the Brady Bunch. The damn things are magazines, not clips, but I've been losing that fight for years. The 94 AWB banned the manufacture of new hi-cap magazines, but didn't stop the transfer of the hundreds of thousands of existing ones. 5 10-round mags (legal to make under the 94 AWB) carry more rounds than three 15 round (banned) magazines, you just swap mags twice more. The guns didn't pull their own trigger. I own over 150 firearms that didn't jump off the wall or out of the... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:11:44 -0600 Packing.Org, and both Resident and Non-Resident carry permits require a min age of 21. Also, from the reports I have heard, the action was not as simple as entering a classroom and killing most of those present. The shooter apparently went from classroom to classroom shooting a few rounds and moving on, at least part of the time. Unfortunately, most people without training will not run into a hallway looking for the source of the gunfire, so they likely stayed in their classrooms in confusion. Some of them did bar their doors, btw. There is mention in this article of one of the victims, Kevin Granata, being former military.]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59066 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59066 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:56:57 -0600 Captain Ed over at Captain's Quarters raised a good point: aren't most carry permits limited to the over-21 crowd? Still, that would leave "non-traditional" students, instructors, and faculty, no? Excellent post. I just wish the gun-grabbers would learn how to count to 10. Amendments. ;) http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59060 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59060 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:50:37 -0600 s http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59059 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59059 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:27:56 -0600 Close, there Oldloadr. Yer still short a consonant. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59058 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59058 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:26:54 -0600 No wait, Robin William? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59055 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59055 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:00:59 -0600 Michael Richards http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59054 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59054 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:55:08 -0600 Argghhh! A$$holes do vex me! Quick - who'm I quoting? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59051 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59051 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:15:15 -0600 Magazines are for reading; clips are for scrapbooks? Cheers http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59048 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59048 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:53:43 -0600 John, that is easy: A bunker is for people and a magazine is for ammo. You don't run to a magazine during a mortar attack (unless it is to get more ammo for return fire) and you don't store your extra ammo where people hunker down from attack. All the services make the distinction in there Explosive Safety regs/instructions, as well as the DESB (Defense Explosive Safety Board). Architecturally, if built from the ground up, bunkers are designed to keep explosive energy out (or limit its encroachment) and magazines are designed to keep explosive energy in (or limit its propagation). http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59038 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59038 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:38:53 -0600 one is something to hide from arty in, the other being a place to store munitions? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59037 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59037 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:27:25 -0600 I should note - the rule is simple. Clips load magazines. Magazines load weapons. I for one, blame John Garand's weapon for causing the muddled distinction! That said, Oldloadr - what is the zoomie distinction between bunkers and magazines? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59034 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59034 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:24:38 -0600 I went to that ABC site. I had to start skimming after about a dozen comments, but I didn't see even one GFW bloviating there. I wonder if the "journalists" ever go back and read the threads they start... The M-1 Garand actually used a "clip" and the things 5.56mm come on that you stip them off of into your "magazines" are a type of "clip" i.e. stripper clip. However, I could never get anybody in the military but outside of the Ammo world to learn the difference between a "bunker" and a "magazine", either. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59033 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59033 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:51:52 -0600 I should note - FBL came in to this while I was reworking this post - to better honor Professor Librescu with his own post, rather than mixing him in here. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59020 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59020 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:11:25 -0600 Wow. I was putting up a note about the professor at the same time you were writing this. Came to the same conclusions about him and his background, too. Great minds, I suppose... ;) http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59019 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59019 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:50:39 -0600 As a mother, I am a bear. I will come out growling if my cubs are threatened. I may not always make the best decision on *how* I swing or *what* I get, or even the consequences, but there is no doubt in my mind that I will protect them. Defense is another issue altogether, as that deals with action both appropriate and not. That said, if someone were to break into my home, don't hurt my babies. I will get between them and the perp. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59018 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech.html#comment-59018 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:50:06 -0600