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  <title>Comments for H&amp;I* Fires, 20 APR 2007</title>
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    <title>H&amp;I* Fires, 20 APR 2007</title>
    <summary>Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That&apos;s only polite. You&apos;re advertising here, we should get an ad at your place... ***************************** Uh-oh. Emperor Misha is on a warpath of civil disobedience. Should we start collecting bail money? -- Uncle J. I typically like his South Park influenced punkings of people and current events. I don&apos;t always agree with them, but they&apos;re typically pretty good. This one though? Not so good. If you&apos;re intent is to stop...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p><em>Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That's only polite.</p>

<p>You're advertising here, we should get an ad at your place...</em></p>

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<a href="http://www.nicedoggie.net/2007/?p=512"><strong>Uh-oh</strong></a>.  Emperor Misha is on a warpath of civil disobedience.  Should we start collecting bail money?   <br />
--<br />
Uncle J.  I typically like his South Park influenced punkings of people and current events.   I don't always agree with them, but they're typically pretty good. <a href="http://www.blackfive.net/main/2007/04/no_blaze_of_glo.html"><strong> This one though?</strong></a>  Not so good.  If you're intent is to stop kids who nut as a result of internal demons or being mocked then mocking them seems a lot like giving a kid who's suffering from the runs a laxative to me.  </p>

<p>Sure, some of the pictures will be funny.  I may even laugh at a few myself.  But is it in tune with his stated goal of deterrence of these kids?  Sorry Uncle J, but this lowly Denizen thinks you're working anti-parallel to your goal of discouraging kids from nutting here dude.  You're cementing something that may be driving them into madness in the first place:  their fear that you'll never accept them and that you hate them.  Might just be the best play is to simply leave the whole thing alone, 'ya know?</p>

<p>Oh, and if UJ shows up here with Chuck D and the SW-1s?  Then ry is the big fellow who wears glasses and has a salt and pepper beard.  <br />
--- <br />
Since <a href="http://grimbeorn.blogspot.com/2007_04_01_archive.html#8045939294324972039"><strong>Grim's</strong></a> permalinks are still busted <strike>I can't link back to it</strike> [FbL sez: the link I've added will work], but he's got a pretty interesting discussion/headsheding about Virginia Tech.  He's calling it Wargaming VA Tech.<br />
--ry  </p>

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<p><strong><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Virginia-Tech-Holocaust-Survivor.html?hp">Liviu Librescu</a></strong> was laid to rest in Israel today.  He had survived more than the <strong><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/19/us/19professor.html?n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fL%2fLibrescu%2c%20Liviu">concentration camp</a></strong>. - FbL</p>

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How about some fun stuff - there's a new <strong><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/20/nplane20.xml">DH-9 bomber</a></strong> resurrected from the dustheap.  H/t, CAPT H.</p>

<p>CAPT H also sent me a link to a video of <strong><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkGkFEfsraM">some Geography professors being silly</a></strong>, but having an undergrad degree in that subject, well, um, d-uh.  Far more interesting were these videos!</p>

<p><strong><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWKHFZOTGXY">Cannon Firing 101</a></strong>.  This is *not* how Castle crews will man guns, when the day comes that we have the land to open the cannon range.  This looks like Infantrymen playing to me.  I'm sure I'll hear from Murray on this one.</p>

<p><strong><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiFCrXhFrLY&mode=related&search=">Cannon Firing in Old Fort Jackson</a></strong>.  This is the level of crew drill Castle Gunners will maintain - but... we're not going to fire blanks at the windows.  Nope. Nor projectiles, to stave off *that* snark.</p>

<p>Sadly, I *know* these guys.  And at the Castle <strong><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1hH23LBsdo&mode=related&search=">we will not do anything so foolish as this</a></strong>.  <strong><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aso_YiVUWCE&mode=related&search=">We might well do things like this</a></strong> - but we will have much better production values, and, frankly, better gun drill.  <strong><a href="https://www.springfieldarsenal.net/displayProductDocument.hg?productId=4&categoryId=12">BTW - only $5500, and that cannon can be yours</a></strong>.  Plus shipping.  Yes, I'm tempted. Fortunately, I'm pretty sure SWWBO will exert some restraint.  -the Armorer</p>

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Argghhh!  As if life doesn't suck enough, <strong><a href="http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/218179/wbc_to_protest_the_funerals_of_virginia.html">Felp's Whelps will be at VT funerals</a></strong>. "Preaching."  Heh.  They don't read the same book I did.  They keep skipping the whole second half.  Heh, for Phred and crowd, I cannot but hope they get a "<strong><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tecumseh_Sherman">Joe Johnston at Sherman's Funeral</a></strong>" experience.  Uncharitable of me, I know.  -the Armorer</p>

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<p>Hey!  I just realized Ry punk'd me and is setting me up for Jimbo's minions!  No worries.  <strong><a href="http://www.fototime.com/F3EEF25DACEA585/standard.jpg">I'm ready</a></strong>.  -the Armorer</p>

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<p><strong><a href="http://txsoldiersangels.blogspot.com/">Soldiers' Angels in Texas</a></strong> sends us this story: <strong><a href="http://soldiersangelskc.blogspot.com/2007/04/soldiers-angels-texas-wild-child-kebin.html">Funny Car Racer "Wild Child" Kebin Kinsley supports our troops</a></strong></p>

<p>Did anyone notice that a certain event on Monday pushed AQI and Iraq off the front pages for a few days?  And then they came back with a vengence on Wednesday.  <strong><a href="http://themiddleground.blogspot.com/2007/04/information-war-mass-murder-and-media.html">I don't think they liked losing the battlespace to a lone gunman</a></strong>. </p>

<p>Hollywood at war:  <strong><a href="http://themiddleground.blogspot.com/2007/04/information-war-mass-murder-and-media.html">John Voigt meets with wounded at Walter Reed</a></strong>.  (h/t <a href="http://michellemalkin.com/"><strong>Michelle Malkin</strong></a>)</p>

<p>Unfortunately, the bad guys get their say, too:  <strong><a href="http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/4/17/90114.shtml">Al Qaeda says Iraq is "University of Terror</a>"</strong>  Still, an interesting part of this message is al Baghdadi trying to lay some reconciliation on the ground after declaring all those who do not swear allegiance to the Islamic State of Iraq and al Baghdadi as traitors and kicking off the current fight between previous allies in al Anbar.  What's more interesting is that this is the major flaw in their campaign.  Zarqawi had the problem and now Baghdadi has the problem.  Zawahiri wrote to Zarqawi about it.  In short, they have a tendency to try and inflict their ideology on the locals and the locals are none to fond of that or their methods.  Thus, everytime they try to whip their allies in line to organize more distinctly they end up peeling some more off.  </p>

<p>Mao wrote in his treatise about guerilla war, that, in order for a guerilla army to go from "criminals" and "bandits" (we could throw in "terrorist") in the mind of the people,  eventually it would have to coalesce into a regular army with regular standards and recognizable leadership.  Otherwise, it would never be legitimate in the eyes of the people.  That is another reason why AQI and the ISI tried to announce ministers.  A chief complaint among the groups that are angry at AQI is their lack of known, recognizable leadership who are demanding the people swear allegiance to it.    For all the caterwauling fom capitol hill about "losing the war", it seems that AQI and ISI, along with the other conglomerate of insurgents, are having a difficult time becoming legitimate in Iraq.</p>

<p>-Kat</p>

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<p>Argghhh! again.</p>

<p>Oh, my yes, this is going to work wonders to reduce violence in the world!  Yale Dean of Students Betty Trachtenberg just *had* to do *something!*  I mean, it's what all the beautiful people do, right?  Make gestures?  Preferably meaningless ones, but ones which, nonetheless, regardless of the impact on others, makes us feel, "right."  And, in fact, it's even better if I have a little power and that my gesture infantilizes and inconveniences some others, *especially* if I can do it by fiat, so no one might talk me out of it... because then, I get the added frisson of doing "The right thing, even if it is the hard thing."  Because, of course, it *feels* right.  </p>

<p>Actually, sometimes doing something because it feels right is the right thing to do.  Sometimes it isn't.  Figuring that out is, well, the essence of adulthood.  Sometimes though, stupid is as stupid does.</p>

<p><strong><a href="http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/20843">Such as banning the use of "realistic" weapon props in stage plays at Yale</a></strong>.  Thwock!  Thwock! goes the styrofoam sword (well, she *will* allow wood.  Heh.  She will until someone points out the <strong><a href="http://www.leeds.ac.uk/collections/pacificpapua.htm">wooden swords of Melanesia</a></strong>, or, *shudder* the Roman "<strong><a href="http://www.legionxxiv.org/gladiatorarena/">Rudius</a></strong>" or wooden training sword of the Legions, if nothing else a *symbol* of the discipline of the Legionary soldier.  Not to mention (oops! I did!) a sign of manumission for gladiator slaves.  If you have concerns, Dean Trachtenberg, then treat your students as adults - and simply require adequate storage controls and accountability for property.  Just sayin'.  After all, that's what *we* do with the 18-22 year olds in my business. Oh, I forgot - most of them aren't college students and apparently can be trusted.  Leastways that's the message I'm getting from you... -the Armorer</p>

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<p>Snerk!  Here's an <strong><a href="http://as.starware.com/dp/search?x=wKX1ILEOi%20Vv3rFYiuWkdP1Ux7tAz1ySIv0I0JEsnJ0H3nYmKaz6IU2HQTctiwpWQMSrBDdUbeJK%20VOBbIW8NnKjMYDAFecCp5%20pcfXhE89hLh74VpzcLjK3OWrT6PdLcfMPt1inw5%20/ef0kiKOUpULTLoMeNBd4mtEthcsSZ6UOztXc4qyzCVlOUnhhVE1QjGj55FH/OJKLTGqL9OioDuh2APWn">odd referral for the Castle</a></strong>.  Scroll to the bottom of the page.  -the Armorer</p>

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<p>Okay, let's try again, to make those first two comments have some relevance... (*Someone* blew away one of my entries while making theirs...)</p>

<p>One of the perks of being a mildly successful blogger is that by assiduously cultivating people, you get invited to things like the Robert J. Dole Institute of Politics <strong><a href="http://www.news.ku.edu/2007/april/4/howardbaker.shtml">"Dole Leadership Prize" presentation to former Senator Howard Baker</a></strong>, this Sunday over at the Lied Center at KU.  That in itself is nice, but the perk is that SWWBO and I were invited to the pre-ceremony reception at the Institute, meaning that yours truly will get to meet and chat with Senator Baker, in person (however briefly, to be sure, as I am a tiny presence on the radar).  </p>

<p>I have my email chats with Professer David Perlmutter of KU to thank for this, and for the previous invitation to the "Blog to the Chief" event that I live-blogged.  I'm hoping that if I behave well enough this Sunday evening, I'll get invited to the next major event, as well - the <strong><a href="http://www.news.ku.edu/2007/april/12/myers.shtml">2007 Dole Lecture,</a></strong> to be given this year by regional native and K-State grad, not to overlook his being the 15th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Richard Myers.  Being a middlin' blogger in a rectangular state has its advantages.  BTW - if you're in the region, you can get tickets to the events for free just by asking - the only perk I get is the pre-event event. -the Armorer</p>

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Snerk!  The bloom is off.  <strong><a href="http://mag1.olivesoftware.com/ActiveMagazine/welcome/BLG/Bloggers-04-2007.asp">We now have our own niche magazine</a></strong>.  Blogging is officially yesterday. -the Armorer</p>

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      <![CDATA[<p>*A term of art from the artillery. Harassment and Interdiction Fires.</p>

<p>Back in the day, when you could just kill people and break things without a note from a lawyer, they were pre-planned, but to the enemy, random, fires at known gathering points, road junctions, Main Supply Routes, assembly areas, etc - to keep the bad guy nervous that the world around him might start exploding at any minute.</p>

<p>*Not really relevant to today's operating environment, right? But, it *is*</p>

<p>The <s>UAVs</s> (oops, can't call 'em UAVs anymore - they're now Unmanned Aerial Systems... some Colonel got his Legion of Merit for that change...), er, um UAS's we fly over Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for targets of opportunity are a form of H&I fires, if you really want to parse it finely. We just have better sensors and fire control now.</p>

<p>I call the post that because it's random things posted by me and people I've given posting privileges to. It's also an open trackback, so if (Don Surber uses it this way a lot) someone has a post they're proud of, but it really isn't either Castle kind of stuff, or topical to a particular post, I've basically given blanket permission to use that post for that purpose. Another term of art that might be appropriate is "Free Fire Zone".</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Maggie on 2007-04-22</title>
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        My point is that this case isn&apos;t where you pick up the standard and run with it.  This kid needs punishing and he&apos;s getting it.
Any kid who is bullied is going to have the same reaction immediately after.  The Somalis didn&apos;t ask for special treatment.  They simply expressed that after this incident, they had doubts as to who their friends were.  Since they are such a minority that caused fear.
I am not saying this should be prosecuted as a &quot;hate crime&quot;.  I am saying this case is not where you draw the line.
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    <title>Comment from ry on 2007-04-22</title>
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        Because, The Emperor is the Emperor is why he&apos;s miffed.  But, he does have a pretty solid following.  If they do act up their going to need bail money.  

But look at what I emphasized Maggs, the civil disobedience call.  That&apos;s going to be problematic if they actually do it.  Very.


And let me put something else to you.  These kids come from places where they faced everything you say, upto and including death, and a ham steak is a majorily injurious action?  Sorry.  I grew up among refugees, real refugees who had parents or siblings die in front of them as they fled Cambodia, Vietnam, and Laos.  They, in my experience, typically have bigger demons to deal with than petty kids and stupid actions they perform.  Sure, they&apos;d cry if some nitwit pronounced their name Bich like a female dog instead of like the plastic cigarett lighter, or a host of other things that basically said &apos;we hate you&apos;.  But utterly terrified and felt like they had a crosshair on their back?  Nope.  They knew what real persecution felt like and didn&apos;t enjoy it when people over here made light of it by equating jack@$$ery with persecution.  

How&apos;s this different than trashcanning the sunken chested geek kid?  It isn&apos;t.  Or making fun of the fat girl by putting ding-dongs on her table?  It isn&apos;t.  It&apos;s mean as hell, but it isn&apos;t a crime.  

It ain&apos;t the Vatos deciding to take out Wedo because he&apos;s Wedo.(Beating up the white kid because he&apos;s the white kid, often as part of a gang initiation ritual.).  It&apos;s a mean, petty, @$$clown act for sure.  But when did that become a criminal act?  That&apos;s where I agree with Mischa.  We&apos;re only asking these kids to put up with the same crap we all do, and other war refugees have, for a long time.  Being picked on and having your differences rubbed in your face is a right of passage in Muttish &apos;Murica.  It isn&apos;t nice, but there it is.  Kids can be cruel, but still just kids.  

Yeah, it&apos;s a hate filled gesture.  But so is burning the Flag.  So is writing a novel like &apos;American Psycho&apos; or &apos;Fightclub&apos;.  So is wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with the Darwin creature eating a Fish.  All overt.  Why pick this one?  Yeah, it&apos;s a mean thing.  But when did mean become a crime?  Where&apos;s the real harm?  And I mean real harm?  There isn&apos;t any.  

Mischa is famous for being over the top.  Even more over the top than I can be.  But he&apos;s got a point.  Jack@$$ery isn&apos;t criminal.  We put up with it when we&apos;re mocked for our religion and ethnicity(remember &apos;Meet the Kelley&apos;s&apos;?  Where we got called &apos;Irish-Catholic, republican baboons&apos;?  Oh, but that&apos;s cool.  Chris Rock can be offended for being asked to do a voice for a Disney film, because it&apos;s the voice of a gorilla, but I better not be for actually being called a baboon.).  It isn&apos;t nice, but it is fair.  Once you start making a bunch of exceptions for this people and that people you&apos;ve got yourself a nice little race racket going.  That isn&apos;t good.  

Sometimes it&apos;s bigger than just the jack@$$, who I&apos;d like to see emberassed as much as possible.  
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    <title>Comment from Maggie on 2007-04-21</title>
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        <![CDATA[I followed the links for the Emperor Mischa and I don't get what he's so excited about. A lot of people commenting seem to make light of the incident as do the people on the blog where he got the story.

 <blockquote>A 14-year-old Somali boy, whose mother asked that his name not be published, said he was eating lunch with four other Somali students on April 11. He noticed many others in the cafeteria "standing up, looking at us."
One boy came near, began laughing and threw a bag on the table while other students laughed and said, 'Good job.'"We didn't know what was in this bag," the boy said. "One of my friends reached inside it. It was a big ham steak. There were five of us at the table, all Somali. It was intended for us."</blockquote>

The kid who walked up to the Somalis and threw the ham steak needs his a$$ kicked.  Why would anybody get fired up because this kid is getting in trouble?  Well, Mischa thinks that labeling it a hate crime is out of proportion.  
Maybe, I don't know, but it seems like a very hate filled gesture aimed at a group of people based on their religion.  And a definite minority at that.  
I can not imagine how difficult it must be to come to America as a Somali refugee.  To come with NOTHING.  To flee a wartorn country with you life and your family if you are lucky.  To be plucked from a lawless, arid, poverty stricken, famine ravaged country and settle in...... Maine, nevermind the ham steak some a$$clown is throwing at you.]]>
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        &quot;&quot;Titus Andronicus&quot;&quot;
Heh.  My favorite art house film is Titus with Anthony Hopkins.  For the life of me I don&apos;t understand why it&apos;s the most hated of all Shakespear works.  
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2007-04-21</title>
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        Those Yale kids need to defy that silly &quot;Ms&quot; Twa-er, whatever, and stage &quot;Titus Andronicus&quot; with *lotsa* ketchup. Ppffbbtht!

Flash! Urgent! Humans are dangerous! Always have been so! That&apos;s why there are so many of us!
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        Well, I can&apos;t see any of those vids on this system, but I remember a technician at NASA who used to be a gunner&apos;s mate in the US Navy telling me that the safety rules were written with blood.

That is, the reason you did things *this* way, was because someone had done them *that* way, and got horribly painfully messed up and/or killed.
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    <published>2007-04-21T04:27:41Z</published>
    <updated>2007-04-21T04:27:41Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2007://1.7430-comment:59278</id>
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    <title>Comment from jim b on 2007-04-20</title>
    <author>
        <name>jim b</name>
        <uri>http://www.cookiecrumbexpress.com/blog/</uri>
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        Yanno Kat I think these guys going anywhere near a cannon was evil  personified
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    <published>2007-04-21T02:55:39Z</published>
    <updated>2007-04-21T02:55:39Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2007://1.7430-comment:59275</id>
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    <title>Comment from Toluca Nole on 2007-04-20</title>
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        Making this about me:

As a trained stage actor, that Yale article...well...I shake my head and don&apos;t know what to say.  I also used to share a house with my stage combat instructor; I&apos;m sure he&apos;d love reading this.


(We also had swords all over the house, which was pretty cool.)
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    <published>2007-04-21T01:23:50Z</published>
    <updated>2007-04-21T01:23:50Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2007://1.7430-comment:59271</id>
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    <title>Comment from kat-missouri on 2007-04-20</title>
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        <uri>http://themiddleground.blogspot.com</uri>
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        Wow...did anybody think that the slo-mo laughing and talking on the cannon vids was a little evil sounding?  LOL
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    <published>2007-04-21T00:12:20Z</published>
    <updated>2007-04-21T00:12:20Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2007://1.7430-comment:59265</id>
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    <title>Comment from Marine6 on 2007-04-20</title>
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        While I absolutely agree that idiots should NOT be allowed anywhere near loaded weapons of any kind I did like the mountain gun piece for instructional purposes. First, and foremost, it is a lovely demonstration of the amount of recoil. Considering that the carriage was timbers flat on a wooden surface, the amount of recoil was significant. Transfer that to a wheeled carriage, whether a naval carriage moderated by block and tackle, or a field carriage, and it is obvious why corect gun drill keeps the crew well clear of the weapon during firing.

Secondly, the amount of smoke produced by a black powder weapon is usually amazing to people unfamiliar with black powder. With the firing of a single round the target is fully obscured for a significant period of time. I have often tried to explain to the uninitiated that on the battlefields of the Civil War once the first volley was fired that the movements of both sides were lost in the real &quot;fog of war.&quot; Can you imagine what the field ws like at Gettysburg with over a hundred guns firing at will for an hour?

Finally, let me just say that idiocy is self curing. Anyone who fires at armor plate from that distance is likely to have a short career.

Marine6 Sends
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    <published>2007-04-20T21:47:46Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2007://1.7430-comment:59263</id>
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    <title>Comment from jim b on 2007-04-20</title>
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        So I guess that pretty much eliminates the idea of setting off a black powder cannon loaded with nuts, bolts and screws .... with a cigarette stub?
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    <published>2007-04-20T21:07:32Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-04-20</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        Well, I *did* say it was unacceptable gun drill for Castle gun crews.

Just makin&apos; sure you got that!
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    <published>2007-04-20T17:35:45Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Gwedd on 2007-04-20</title>
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        John,

   WTF? Who in frack&apos;s name uses cannon fuse to ignite cannon&apos;s with? Good Lord! Those fellows ought to have that gun taken away from them before they hurt someone. A cannon on a fuse is out of control. I&apos;m pretty much against all types of gun cotrol, but I may well make an exception for these idiots.

   Now, I say that having been around muzzle loading artillery for the better part of three decades. I&apos;ve seen what can happen with crews who think they know what they are doing. There&apos;s a reason the army produced manuals for the care and feeding of field artillery, and it&apos;s guys like thise who should be smacked upside the head with one. Gibbon&apos;s manual, especially, cause it&apos;s thicker than the usaul ones.

    Don&apos;t get me wrong, live firing is fun and exhilarating. I enjoy it. Especially when using cannister. I love me a whiff a grape sent downrange as well, to play amongst the rigging of an enemy vessel... but I digress... The point is that there are rules for EVERYONE&apos;S safety. and that video should be required viewing on how NOT to fire a cannon.

    OTH, there&apos;s another good video out there of a gun being fired inside a casement at, I believe, old Fort Jackson. Shows the crew at their proper positions, and is pretty neat to watch.

   Off my soapbox now.
    Respects,
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    <published>2007-04-20T17:05:59Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-04-20</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        Really.  I almost don&apos;t register.  Honest.  It&apos;s all that stealth adipose.
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    <published>2007-04-20T16:06:23Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mike Lehnherr on 2007-04-20</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mike Lehnherr</name>
        <uri>http://ubnouib</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<blockquote><strong>(however briefly, to be sure, I am a tiny presence on the radar)</strong></blockquote>.  Yeah - right!!  ML]]>
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    <published>2007-04-20T15:46:29Z</published>
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