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H&I* Fires, 13 APR 2007

Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That's only polite.

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Chicken Soup for BCR's soul. Grrls are building booty-kicking robots.
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Chicken Soup for the Armorer's soul: another artillery rocket being tested.
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Blatantly stolen from Warhistorian: Nagl, he of the Soup With a Knife fame, says victory will cost more Servicemen their lives. Unfortunately, victory always costs people their lives, as does ambivalence and isolationism and retreat.
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Fuzzybear wants me to point out the new body armor the Army is fielding. I think my favorite feature is the quick-release.

CAPT H sends us to Michael Yon, for his story on hangin' with the Poms. Hint - they're perhaps a bit tougher than a certain group of Naval Persons.

Patrick Lasswell, another independent journo in the box, on an unreported story from Iraq. SWWBO will really like this one. -the Armorer

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If you're all about illegal immigration, and want to actually *know* a blogger who is going to DC to lobby on the issue - in an official capacity - go visit Dan Amato at Digger's Realm. He has a request for assistance in getting there. -the Armorer

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A little on Small Wars, Crime and Trash Pick Up

2 Marines, 1 Corpsman and 40 Iraqis (video)

And, from yesterday's "Dutch, Afghan, Taliban duke it out", video of the fight - Kat

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Breaking news! Do *you* know what day it is? Snarkatron does!

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*A term of art from the artillery. Harassment and Interdiction Fires.

Back in the day, when you could just kill people and break things without a note from a lawyer, they were pre-planned, but to the enemy, random, fires at known gathering points, road junctions, Main Supply Routes, assembly areas, etc - to keep the bad guy nervous that the world around him might start exploding at any minute.

*Not really relevant to today's operating environment, right? But, it *is*

The UAVs (oops, can't call 'em UAVs anymore - they're now Unmanned Aerial Systems... some Colonel got his Legion of Merit for that change...), er, um UAS's we fly over Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for targets of opportunity are a form of H&I fires, if you really want to parse it finely. We just have better sensors and fire control now.

I call the post that because it's random things posted by me and people I've given posting privileges to. It's also an open trackback, so if (Don Surber uses it this way a lot) someone has a post they're proud of, but it really isn't either Castle kind of stuff, or topical to a particular post, I've basically given blanket permission to use that post for that purpose. Another term of art that might be appropriate is "Free Fire Zone".

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The great thing about our new body armor is that it works. The disturbing thing is, well, that it works. America is seeing and will continue to see many more amputees than in the past because our body armor is saving the lives of those who would have died from the same attacks in past conflicts. That is why DoD is at the cutting edge of robotic prosthetics and we need to continue to figure out ways to fully incorporate our walking wounded back into our society. I think part of the problem we're having in America stems from the visual reminders of the cost of war. The elite (Blue Bloods), rather than owning up to the fact that someone else is paying their debt, are calling for an end to the conflict so they don't have to be so often reminded of their social responsibility and failure. God bless our troops. Never forget. ML
 
Meanwhile, we'll just continuing pimping for Project Valour-IT around here.
 
Find, fix and finish. Ah, well - two out of three gets you into the hall of fame for MLB.
 
Unlike the current, front-opening Interceptor vest, the new design is side-opening and features a cummerbund waist fastener so the weight of the vest rides on the lower torso rather than on the shoulders. “Load distribution is the key,” said Lt. Col. Robert Myles, PEO Soldier’s product manager for soldier survivability. “The cummerbund really helps on the load distribution — that is new.”
I don't want to, you know, blow my own horn or anything, but I do wonder if anyone wants to hire me since I said to do this sometime ago. and I said this:
In addition, the front and back plates can be adjusted up or down four inches to better conform to the body, Myles said. Designers had input from male and female soldiers to account for all body types, he said
Right here, here, and here Glad somebody took my advice seriously. ;)
 
Happy Triskaidekaphobia Day! (SOMEONE around here likes the number 13 and thinks it to be his lucky number. Someone ELSE around here is having a really crappy 12th AND 13th and isn't inclined to agree with any GOOD luck associated with 13.)
 
Speaking of body armor, has anyone heard of the "dragon" body armor? I saw one of those shows on the military channel where the guy was testing out whatever the "new" or "improved" thingy is out. In this episode, they were testing out this new type of armor called Dragon Armor, I think. Anyone heard of it?
 
Tankerswife, yup, it's been a minor controversy. The folks over at Col Hackworth's place have been all over it. Soldiers for the truth. It's been a two year saga. I know nothing about any of the particulars, but it's been something that's been fought over for a while.
 
I'm glad to see someone paid attention to my ideas about body armor. Particularly about making it "cinched" at the waist to carry the weight and making it adjustable like Roman armor. You know, my three posts on that still get hit for "comparisons". LOL Now if I could only prove that it was my idea and not great minds thinking alike, I would be filthy rich right now. ;)
 
As for the "dragon" armor, it has pluses and minuses. It's plus is that overlapping discs provide some additional security and are less likely to "break" completely. another plus is that it does allow for bending in ways that the straight armor plating doesn't. It is also been considered easier to remove and put on. Because it is flexible and overlapping, when it is hit by a bullet, the pressure is absorbed by a wider area, thus dissipating the power of a projectile and decreasing the ability to penetrate the armor (unlike plate armor which can shatter if hit at a specific rate of speed or range). However, because it is closer to the body and conforms, blunt force trauma is more of an issue, despite claims otherwise and it will not protect you any better in a knive fight. The minuses are a few more: heavier than regular armor due to the number of discs and overlapping coverage; the "dragon skin" plates are triangular and do not provide as wide a coverage area in the front and back though they were some of the first to offer additional armor on the sides and for the lower back; while it will stop a 7.62mm bullet, in explosive situations, the discs can separate and become part of the shrapnel. It is also quite a bit more expensive than the "plate" armor because the many ceramic discs (costly to make compared to "plate") and have to be hand sewn into the armor, also more costly. Replacing it is more costly. None of this is "new" in terms of "plate" armor v. "bar" or "chain" armor. medieval armorers had to take these trade offs as well. though flexible, chain mail armor could not deflect nor depreciate blunt force trauma from such weapons like maces or war hammers and when bigger and better arrow heads and bows were implemented, the chain and bar armor could be penetrated, taking pieces of the armor with it. So, while they might have lived from the actual arrow strike, the ensuing infections and other muscle/internal organ damage from the "shrapnel" created could cause infections and other egregious non-recoverable wounds.
 
One thing I don't like about the new armor, at least from looking at the pictures I've seen, is the piece on the back of the head, between the helmet and the collar piece. It looks to me like it would be a royal PITA if you're trying to shoot in the prone position.
 
It looks to me like it would be a royal PITA if you're trying to shoot in the prone position. Yup. But rotating the firing portion of your bod so that your LOS is perpendicular to your spine should stick the extra chunk over your shoulder instead of into the nape of your neck. Kind of embarassing if you're trying to present a minimum frontal area toward the enemy, though it'd be my position of choice when shooting something with a decent cyclic rate of fire from behind a nice, solid building.
 
I wonder if liquid-cooled armor is next. Sorta like the Apollo pressure-suit underwear. It gets right hot in Mesopotamia sometimes, from what I've read. I mind H. Beam Piper, quoting Shakespeare about " A rich armour, that scalds with safety."
 
Ah, yes, Chief, when there is metal in the air, any prudent person gets behind something *thick* whether he is a participant in the games or not. Thick and dense is even better. I don't think there ain't nohow no thick dense parts of any hellaflopper ever built. If you ever get to Heaven, you be sure and go visit Carborundum, or at least have a look in at the padded cell they have to keep him in these eons. They might haul you up on charges for violating the CCDJ (Celestial Code of Divine Justice) for Abuse of Guardian Angel Services. Don't worry too much, I'll put in a word with my Uncle George. He's a cop up there, having been a Marin
 
That's "...having been a Marine.", dammit! This thing truncates out the last character, or two! ......(that's some periods to get past the bug, don't bother to read thi .