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  <title>Comments for ANZAC Day</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <published>2007-04-25T11:37:00Z</published>
    <updated>2007-04-30T12:59:05Z</updated>
    <title>ANZAC Day</title>
    <summary>Today is ANZAC Day, the Australia-New Zealand equivalent to Memorial Day. This morning, the Australian color floats above the Castle. This afternoon, the New Zealand color will take its place. New Zealand Website on ANZAC Day. The Australian Equivalent. The Gallipoli Campaign was the brainchild of Winston Churchill, an attempt to force the Dardanelles and reach the Black Sea, freeing up the Russian Black Sea Fleet and opening up new routes of supply and a new thrust at the Austrians and Germans via the Balkans. Churchill really had the hots for the idea that Italy and the Balkans represented the...</summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Today is ANZAC Day, the Australia-New Zealand equivalent to Memorial Day.</p>

<p>This morning, the Australian color floats above the Castle.  This afternoon, the New Zealand color will take its place.</p>

<center><img src="http://www.fototime.com/1ABE678789B9FCA/orig.jpg" border=0></center>

<p><b><a href="http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/war/anzacday"target=_blank>New Zealand Website</a></b> on ANZAC Day.</p>

<center><img src="http://www.fototime.com/B4E70B3469B003E/orig.jpg" border=0></center>

<p>The <b><a href="http://www.awm.gov.au/commemoration/anzac/anzac_tradition.htm"target=_blank>Australian Equivalent</a></b>.</p>

<p>The Gallipoli Campaign was the brainchild of Winston Churchill, an attempt to force the Dardanelles and reach the Black Sea, freeing up the Russian Black Sea Fleet and opening up new routes of supply and a new thrust at the Austrians and Germans via the Balkans.  Churchill really had the hots for the idea that Italy and the Balkans represented the "soft underbelly" of Europe.  He was to be all for going in that way during WWII, as well.  One wonders if Winnie understood the terms "mountainous terrain" and "cross-compartmented" as used by military guys looking at the dirt they have to fight over.  Gallipoli, along with the treatment and use of Commonwealth troops in France, marked the high tide of Britain's command and control of Commonwealth Forces.  The propensity of British Generals to use non-UK troops for the really bloody work, while at the same time treating them as second-class citizens, caused the command relationships to be much different in WWII.  Especially since, pound for pound, the Commonwealth soldiers were in main, better quality troops than those from the UK (exceptions on both sides abounding, of course).  Like it or no, the colonials were, if nothing else, generally healthier than their UK counterparts.</p>

<p>Regardless, all the soldier's quality was oft-times squandered by execrable generalship.</p>

<p>In case there is any doubt how Australians felt about it, this picture is of the Sydney Memorial.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/7DFD78504491D1B/orig.jpg" border=0></p>

<p>For the Turks?  This was a moment of great pride for them, marking as it did the end of a long slide to obscurity and mediocrity, and cemented Ataturk's reforms and the establishment of a secular state - and gave the Army the imprimatur of the guardian of the state's secular nature - though that hasn't always gone well...</p>

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<p>The Arsenal at Argghhh! has several items with an ANZAC connection.  Our WWI-era Vickers machine gun is an ex-Turkish gun - and by the serial number is *not* one of the ones provided to Turkey in 1940 (to keep them neutral) but is in all probability a captured gun, reworked (the Turks were always tinkering with their weapons, trying to stretch their service life) to the later standard.</p>

<p>Hi-res, click <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/87C946A16520921/orig.jpg"target=_blank><b>here</b></a></b>, <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/E75B8F4D285A94F/orig.jpg"target=_blank><b>here</b></a></b>, <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/C4D4D0BDF7D4BAC/orig.jpg"target=_blank><b>here</b></a></b>, and <a href="http://www.fototime.com/3140B24B6279978/orig.jpg"target=_blank><b>here</b></a>.</p>

<p>Second, we have a M1893 Turkish Mauser, which is quite possibly (by age and ship date to Turkey) but unverifiably a Gallipoli veteran.  This rifle sports a undoubted Gallipolii veteran: a Sanderson-made M1907 bayonet, captured by the Turks and reworked to fit the Mauser.  We also have a 2nd Military District bayonet (Australian) that has been through the same treatment.  Since invading at Gallipoli was a Brit idea, it's the Brit bayonet that hangs on the Turk rifle and gets its picture up to give proper credit where it is due.</p>

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<p>Hi-res, <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/34A4D887F0555A1/orig.jpg"target=_blank>click here</a></b>.</p>

<p>Last, but not least, are the dog-tags.  Body recovery being tough in the conditions under which the campaign at Gallipoli was fought, when Aussie troops went 'over the top' many would leave a bayonet or stick stuck in the sandbags or walls of the trench, with their dog-tags hanging from 'em.  If, after the battle, they were still there...</p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/4E2C11F338383C1/orig.jpg" border=0></p>

<p>For the Commonwealth soldier, the equivalent of Taps is the Last Post.</p>

<p>Accordingly, now is the time at Castle Argghhh! when we dance: <a href="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/historystuff/lastpost.mp3"><b>In Memoriam</b></a> of the fallen of the Australia New Zealand Army Corps.</p>

<p>And if anyone surfing in from Turkey or elsewhere knows where I can get a legal version of the music the Turkish Army uses as an equivalent to Last Post and Taps, I'll add it, as well.  Here at Argghhh! we generally blame the leaders, not the fodder, and so have no problem honoring the dead of both sides of most fights.</p>

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Update:  I've shown you the *stuff* - now <strong><a href="http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/04/25/anzac-day/">go vist Jules Crittenden and read the first-person stories of the guys who *used* the gear highlighted in this post</a></strong>.<br />
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    <title>Comment from Murray on 2007-04-25</title>
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        &quot;Those heroes who shed their blood and lost their lives, you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side in this country of ours. You, the mothers who sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears, your sons are now lying in our bosoms and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they become our sons as well.&quot;

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    <published>2007-04-25T23:58:41Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Sgt. B. on 2007-04-25</title>
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        Having explored the very top layer of the Gallipoli campaign, I&apos;ve found that the soldiers of either side were very careful to respect one another&apos;s fallen on the field.  The Turks even refer to the Aussie dead as their &quot;fallen brothers&quot;...
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    <published>2007-04-25T18:35:54Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mike Lehnherr on 2007-04-25</title>
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        I had the privilege of being an exchange officer to Australia from 1992-1994.  ANZAC Day was a very bitter-sweet time for the ANZ troops.  It&apos;s the only day of the year where &quot;diggers&quot; are allowed to gamble; the day begins at 0400 around a barrel-fire, drinking rum coffee and waiting for the sun.  The officers go off to do their parades and memorials, etc, and the diggers (RSMs and below) make their way to the RSO clubs for a day of drinking, telling of TINS, and basically revelling in the fellowship of arms.  Bar none - it was the best two years of my 20, and a time of building life-long friendships.  For you museum lovers, and those who can afford it (John) - you must make the trip to Canberra to visit the Australian War Memorial.  It is the best display of the passion for service I have ever seen.  &quot;Advance Australia Fair&quot;!!  ML
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    <published>2007-04-25T15:02:16Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Oldloadr on 2007-04-25</title>
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        According to an Ausie RAAF exchange officer I once worked for; the last straw for the Ausies, as far as UK command structure was concerned, came when the Japanese invaded the PI and New Guinea.  The Ausie gov&apos;t asked Winnie if the could please have their soldiers back from North Africa and the assets to get them back to defend their own back yard (literally).  Winnie agreed to let them have their soldiers and the transport ships to bring them home, but no naval escort.  Since they couldn’t get through the Suez, they had to steam around Africa and across the Indian ocean through U-boat patrol routes.  As the Ausies see it, by the grace of god, they made it, but they decided at that moment that their National Defense Strategy would be linked to alliances with the US, rather than the mother country.  Anyway, that’s the official line as it was relayed to me by aforementioned RAAF officer (squadron leader, at the time).
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