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Coulter vs Edwards, con't.

By The Armorer on March 4, 2007 | | Comments (26)

I know, if we'd ignore this stuff, it would go away. It's like watching a train hit a bus. In slow motion. It's going to be going on for almost two more years...

Following the lead of Ryan and I, the leading lights of the Republican presidential wannabes pile on Ann Coulter. [Heh, there's a film starring Ron Jeremy somewhere in that sentence]

Coulter responds:

Ms. Coulter, asked for a reaction to the Republican criticism, said in an e-mail message: “C’mon, it was a joke. I would never insult gays by suggesting that they are like John Edwards. That would be mean.”

While I may not read her much unless someone emails it to me - she can twist a dagger, can't she? Of course, fair's fair - I'm pretty sure she doesn't read me, either.

This is the best Edward's people could come up with, which is pretty bold for a guy who consistently polls #3 or #4...

Mr. Edwards’s aides responded with an e-mail message that attacked Ms. Coulter and urged supporters to donate to Mr. Edwards’s campaign. “John was singled out for a personal attack because the Republican establishment knows he poses the greatest threat to their power,” said his campaign manager, David E. Bonior. “Since they have nothing real to use against him, Coulter’s resorting to the classic right-wing strategy of riling up hate to smear a progressive champion.”

I'd of thought, personally, that a "Progressive Champion" would at least live *near* some people, and turn all the resources at his disposal to helping people, rather than livin' large and spending all that money on himself, his family, and running for President so that you can take everybody else's money (hey, you made yours, right, so raising taxes isn't going to have that big an impact on you) and spend it on... oh, wait. Yes, you *are* a progressive champion. Never mind.

Almost quintessentially.

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By ry on March 4, 2007 7:25 AM
Actually, I was thinking more like Mel Brooks, in period French attire, playing chess. But that's me. 'He didn't give me a harumph.'
 
By Gwedd on March 4, 2007 8:33 AM
Comrades, Interesting that. Seems like the left can off-handidly toss out the most vile and horrible epithets to those whom they dislike, with nary a passing glance by the media. Yet, when a woman who has twice the style, mental ability and vocabulary of anyone the left admires makes a comment refering to the obvious, well, then it just brings out all the girlie men amongst the left, swinging their verbal purses like some cheap floozy caught non-decorum. Silky Pony ought to consider this situation a ranging shot....... Respects,
 
By Minor Ripper on March 4, 2007 9:25 AM
More proof that Ann really isn't the sharpest knife in the shed...(see video) http://minor-ripper.blogspot.com/2006/12/ann-coulter-gets-owned.html
 
By Casey Tompkins on March 4, 2007 11:08 AM
So, AW1 Tim, I take it you approve of calling people faggots under the venue of serious political debate? Would calling Barak Obama a nigger tickle you as much? Or should we recall some of Coulter's other bon mots, such as her raghead crack at a previous CPAC, or the time she accused several women who lost their husbands during 9/11 (she called them the "witches of Eastwick") of enjoying their media status as "famous widows." I presume the "silk pony" crack comes from the now-infamous video where Edwards gets his hair prepped before a public appearance. Yes, he looks pretty silly. I don't suppose you know virtually every politician does the same thing? I've been told Michael Moore included footage of several GOP leaders under the same circumstances in Farenheit 9/11 for just that reason: to make them look silly. Does this mean they're all faggots as well? For the record, I have no use for Edwards; he's a lightweight with no real political experience; but insulting jerks on the left shouldn't mean jerks on the right get a free pass. By the way, not everyone on "the left" is part of some monolithic group-think, so making statements like "the left can off-handidly toss out the most vile, etc." just confirms in their mind that "the right" consists of mindless drones who lap up everything people like Coulter say.
 
By Gwedd on March 4, 2007 11:58 AM
Comrade Casey, So..... struck a nerve there? Sorry, but I find that, especially on this issue, the hypocrisy from the left so overwhelming that the meters must've blown up trying to measure it. All the boo-hoo 'bout what that mean ol' Ms. Coulter said... meanwhile Gore and Edwards are talking out their collective backsides about 2 Americas, pontificating on what Americans should be doing, while buying their own way out of any meaningful conservation because, well, because they belong to that "other" America that doesn't have to follow it's own advice. Kerry's still trying to gigolo his way into more money, while Big Teddy is trying to sober up enough to string together a coherent sentence. Hillary is, well, biding her time before she can politically assisinate anyone who tries to stop her from becoming America's first Queen, and desperately hoping that her Marxist thesis stays out of the MSM until she's elect, er, annointed. Mr.Obama... well, when he get's his act together he might well make a decent senator. beyond that, only time will tell. Right now he's a wannabe, his strogest suite being the left's version of Ross Perot, with likely the same results of his political carreer lives long enough for him to actually make a serious stab at the White House. When the left can return to the common decency of Senator Leiberman, then I'll listen to what they have to say. Until then, they are just so much teenage angst and wasted DNA. Other's mileage may, of course, vary. Respects,
 
By Oldloadr on March 4, 2007 1:32 PM
What worries me is all of this non-government, group censorship. I mean really, if some shallow, greedy Hollywood producer can claim to have found Jesus’ body and “family,” then why can’t Ann Coulter call Edwards a faggot? There is a difference between being rude and criminal. Maybe she has a point: the left doesn’t seem to listen to polite debate. Remember that outburst in a California college against the Minutemen?
 
By Trias on March 4, 2007 2:16 PM
Coulter's remark, and yes i know what she said, was insulting and a typical gay slur I hear all the time. Her wrapping of it was neither clever nor original. Support of that sort of thing as 'the obvious' etc is how it extends out into the nodding heads community. There is a big difference between not going down the PC path and just being an egotist that can't make a decent joke. If i had more fire in me I'd be angry enough to do and say something which would make any difference but I've heard this crap for a long time in and out of the closet directly indirectly and in lots of ways. I'm too tired to be bothered much anymore. Calling people gay in one way or another to symbolise something bad is popular and widely supported so I know it's mostly a loosing move to counter it as will probably be seen in posts after this unless it's stonewalled. So let the arseholes spit on I can't be bothered anymore.
 
By John of Argghhh! on March 4, 2007 4:09 PM
so I know it's mostly a loosing move to counter it as will probably be seen in posts after this unless it's stonewalled. Er? Here, or elsewhere? I'm afraid I don't quit understand what you mean - and feel free to respond in email.
 
By Geo on March 4, 2007 6:27 PM
As I was debating a liberal friend of mine, I pointed one thing out that he refused to believe: Neither side holds the moral high ground. Both are guilty of the political equivalent of war crimes, so don't come crying to me next time a lefty or a righty plays dirty. Of course, he suffers from DDS, with a sligh amount of BDS. I am simply no longer surprised that there is such name calling and bruised egos in poltics.
 
By Oldloadr on March 4, 2007 7:30 PM
"Both are guilty of the political equivalent of war crimes..." Geo Name-calling may be rude and a sign of failed parenting, but it's not a crime of any kind (at least that's how I read the 1st ammendment). When did this country become so thin-skinned that all we ever seem to talk about is who offended whom? I don't feel sorry for Edwards or the gay community. I've been called everything but a milk cow in my life and I lived through it. Words are not IEDs, period.
 
By Gwedd on March 4, 2007 8:25 PM
Comrades, FWIW, the current kerfluffle over Ms. Coulter's recent remarks is nothing compared to that of years gone by. Those who claim to to wax fondly for the "good old days" might be some surprised at the level of animosity displayed in political speeches, as well as newspaper articles and editorials. For heaven's sake... Hearst started the Span-Am war with his own lies and yellow journalism. Not making a judgement, just sayin'..... And I would add, however, that the depth of a person's liberalism might well be measured by their outrage at simple words. Good thing liberals want to take away everyone's guns, otherwise they might themselves be gunning for conservatives at every imagined slight. Respects,
 
By John of Argghhh! on March 4, 2007 9:20 PM
I've been called everything but a milk cow in my life and I lived through it. Must.control.urge.to...
 
By Oldloadr on March 4, 2007 9:32 PM
John - I often have to control the urge to rip off some idiot's head and sh** down his/her neck, but hey that is what military discipline is all about...
 
By J.M. Heinrichs on March 4, 2007 10:11 PM
"At the time of the Suez disaster, Bevan saw Prime Minister Anthony Eden enter the House. He instantly stopped grilling Foreign Secretary Selwyn Lloyd explaining: "Why should I question the monkey when I can question the organ-grinder?" " http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2212/stories/20050617001508200.htm We need better political invective ... Cheers
 
By Mullah Cimoc on March 4, 2007 10:47 PM
Mullah Cimoc say this example how woman of ameriki become filthy and dirty and not having the baby and this woman she having so big adam's apple. This process for making the ameriki man to be like homosexual and passive for woman command all usa man. calling it the training of pavlov dog. me not knowing why this happen but knowing this sign of collapse the great empire like roman time but now so fast in computer communication time. not the 500 years. stop1984now@yahoo.com
 
By Geo on March 4, 2007 11:12 PM
oldloadr, I didn't mean to blow it out of proportion, you are right, it is just words. I was just pointing out that in this era of low blows, I'm not going to notice or care about another one.
 
By ry on March 5, 2007 9:54 AM
There's some bad thinking going on here. Marcotte and her pal at ShakSis got ruined over this. So Lefty's don't get to say anything they want and get away with it. There's limits to what one can say and be taken seriously. The left plays the class warfare card? Yeah, and we play the soft on defense card. That's acceptable. You're arguing points of view and facts and processes to proceed forward. What Coulter did was nothing near this. It was stupid as hell. It made all of us conservatives look like clowns and gives credence when we get accused of being homophobes(or racist or whatever). Absolutely f'n stupid. In case you aren't paying attention we lost the last election because we lost the middle---which doesn't tolerate this kind of nonsense. Words? Yeah, they're only words. But words can get you fired and ruin your reputation. Allow the other side to so malign your ideology that nobody takes it seriously. We shouldn't play this way. 'Censorship?' Baloney. There's little room for this in public debate. Oh, but we shouldn't care because it's only words. It wasn't funny. It did us little good if any at all. It made us look stupid and like a bunch of homophobic rednecks; as opposed to decent, loveable, wholesome rednecks. Bravo. Let's just shoot ourselves in the foot a couple more times and then try to do anything on the political front. There's a time to be inna you face, and there's times not to. If you can't tell which is which you don't belong in politics. Period.
 
By Oldloadr on March 5, 2007 1:20 PM
ry - 1. I actually thought her 2nd comment was funny, but then I am a knuckle dragging redneck. I don't like the term homophobe since it implies that I fear the gays when in fact I'm just disgusted by them. I use to just feel sorry for them until many of them tried to convince the world that sexual perversion is a civil right. Which reminds me, I don’t think people’s feeling about homosexuals should be equated to racism. Race is an accident of birth; sexuality can be controlled (I know what they say about a “queer gene” but that has not been proven and it doesn’t make sense if you think about it). I believe the Catholic Church’s position is that if one can’t live a heterosexual life, then they should choose a celibate life. 2. You are right, we may loose the middle as things stand today, with over the top rhetoric, but maybe we gain some in the middle if they see we are not back-pedaling and we got the guts to say what we think. Anyway, Coulter isn’t running for anything and the professional politicians have done a bang-up job of covering their own a$$e$ by condemning and distancing themselves. Like I said before, calling people names may be rude, but it’s not a crime and I believe Ann is self-employed so she doesn’t have to worry about being fired and I bet her book sales just went up. 3. My attitude on words are just words comes from a fear of the constantly shifting language because of societal pressure. Why are the news media afraid to even utter the word faggot, even in a quote? I think that is scary and 1984ish and that's why I said what I said about people getting over themselves and growing skins and keeping words versus physical violence in perspective. 4. Anyway, as usual, I agree with your assessment as it applies to real-politic, but I’m still idealistic enough to rail against the sweeping tide of everyone constantly acting offended. After all, nowhere in the US Constitution does it say that we have the right to not be offended.
 
By Casey Tompkins on March 5, 2007 3:26 PM
AW1 Tim, only to the extent that I'm appalled at the apologies I've seen for Coulter. I completely agree that most leftie commentors (bloggers, columnists, politicos, etc) are mostly hypocritical about this. That's not the point. Defending Coulter by (as you do in your reply) pointing out how worthless the Democratic candidates are is a weak tu quoque along the lines of "but mom, billy threw rocks at the window too!" I don't care if Dems are hypocrites; in fact accept that as an axiom for many left politicians. I don't even disagree that much with your analysis of the current Dem crop. On the other hand, there's a lot of conservative/Republican hypocrites as well. Both sides have warts. What I'm more concerned about here is killing the conservative warts. Apparently you prefer to point out the mote in your neighbor's eye, instead of worrying about beam in your own. In case you haven't noticed, the GOP hasn't been very supportive of any minority these days, except the military. ;) What Coulter said wasn't just insulting, it was stupid, as it gave Edwards & Co. all sorts of fresh ammo to paint the GOP as a bunch of homophobic haters. That's about as dumb as the old "Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion" crack.
 
By John of Argghhh! on March 5, 2007 4:35 PM
[The Armorer wanders in, mutters something about "Attack the message, not the messenger, and avoid putting words in other people's mouths" and wanders out again.]
 
By ry on March 5, 2007 5:15 PM
That's cool Loader. I get where you're coming from. But it doesn't help us much. And I have no problem with rednecks. Many are just good people. Some are jerks. Just like with everyone else. In this it helps to be more Larry the Cableguy than David Duke. COulter is making us all look like David Duke. John? Huh? I'm not seeing anything that is a personal attack here. nobody else is acting like anything was a personal attack. Care to highlight the offending bits via email so I don't go there?
 
By brogonzo on March 6, 2007 10:52 AM
While I may not read her much unless someone emails it to me - she can twist a dagger, can't she? I hardly think Coulter's weak Dennis Miller ripoff line (Miller: "I'd call the French scumbags, but that of course would be an insult to bags that are filled with scum") could hardly be construed as really "twisting a dagger," JoA. I'm sure you can guess what I think of Coulter. But I think conservatives would do well to distance themselves from this hateful, blonde-haired troll. She does indeed make neoconservatives look more like the members of the Westboro Baptist Church than a group of people whose ideas should be taken seriously.
 
By John of Argghhh! on March 6, 2007 12:36 PM
Brogonzo - I was referring to her total oeuvre, not that one comment. Gimme some credit here, boyo.
 
By Oldloadr on March 6, 2007 4:38 PM
Well, we all proved Michelle Malkin's point on O'Reilley last night. She said everybody is talking about Coulter's comment and nobody noticed anything else that come out of the conference.
 
By brogonzo on March 6, 2007 5:47 PM
Well, I wasn't particularly impressed with the total oeuvre, either. And I wish people would quit saying she's attractive, because she's not. She looks like she'd be more at home in Chelsea, saving up money for a special operation.
 
By J.M. Heinrichs on March 6, 2007 10:25 PM
I think I shall send Miss Coulter a "You go girl" letter. Cheers