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  <title>Comments for Wrapping up that 38cm German gun.</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2007-02-13T13:18:05Z</published>
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    <title>Wrapping up that 38cm German gun.</title>
    <summary> Bill said it was a railway gun. I said it wasn&apos;t. We&apos;re both right. It was moved by rail (how else, especially back in the day?) but was assembled into a purpose-built emplacement. The emplacement was concrete, and took weeks to construct. They were substantial enough that they still exist. [Interesting article on several large german guns here.] There was a central pintle for the gun (which answers Trias&apos; question about training the gun for direction) and, as can be seen in the picture above, used little railcars to move the projectiles and powder from the preparation site to...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/7D8CB5447BEAFD6/orig.jpg" border=0 alt="Loading operations for the 38cm gun"></p>

<p>Bill said it was a railway gun.  I said it wasn't.  We're both right.  It was moved by rail (how else, especially back in the day?) but was assembled into a purpose-built emplacement. The emplacement was concrete, and took weeks to construct.  They were substantial enough that they still exist. [Interesting article on <strong><a href="http://web.westernfrontassociation.com/thegreatwar/articles/americanperspective/longdistanceguns.htm">several large german guns here</a></strong>.] There was a central pintle for the gun (which answers Trias' question about training the gun for direction) and, as can be seen in the picture above, used little railcars to move the projectiles and powder from the preparation site to the gun proper, where they were hoisted to the firing deck by means of the crane.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/3FFAC126E2B91F3/orig.jpg" border=0 alt="Loading the 38cm gun."></p>

<p>Just take a look at the number of men it took to crew these guns - and wonder if those things weren't resources better used elsewhere. And obviously, not a weapon of maneuver warfare.  Of course, it's a lesson the Germans didn't take to heart, what with the Dora 80cm gun they used (for, oh, 45 rounds or so) during WWII.  The one that took 2000 men to crew and 26 trainloads to move around, and two weeks to assemble.  And shot 45 rounds...</p>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2007-02-13</title>
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        Note the Germans had the little guys shoving the rounds -- must&apos;ve been militarily practical because we followed that example in WWII, Korea and the opening days of Vietnam by assigning the smallest guys in the squad to carry the BAR.

Never had that opportunity myself (&apos;wayyyy too tall), but I *did* get to hump the baseplate and tube of an 81mm all over the impact area at Indiantown Gap in the summer of 1967...
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    <published>2007-02-14T01:27:55Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from KCSteve on 2007-02-13</title>
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        <![CDATA[Ah, but I'll bet they were <strong>glorious</strong> rounds!]]>
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    <published>2007-02-13T19:28:49Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Trias on 2007-02-13</title>
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        Nice images.  I guess WW1 was so slow that WW2&apos;s incredible mobility caught everyone by surprise.
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    <published>2007-02-13T17:13:28Z</published>
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