We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2007 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:03:00 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2008 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification Well it's on - and about to start. I'm sitting in the audience of the Dole Institute of Politics for the "Blog to the Chief" featuring “Blog to the Chief: The Impact of Political Blogs on the 2008 Election” featuring “Blog to the Chief: The Impact of Political Blogs on the 2008 Election” Jerome Armstrong, ,Founder of MyDD, Erick-Woods Erickson, Managing editor of RedState.com and Peachpundit.com, “Blog to the Chief: The Impact of Political Blogs on the 2008 Election”Jerome Armstrong Founder of MyDD Erick-Woods Erickson Managing editor of RedState.com and Peachpundit.com. Patrick Hynes, Founder and proprietor of the blog Ankle... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:53:07 -0600 I should have known you'd catch that Bill. I have been using that for so long I don't even think about it anymore. I just assume everyone knows. Kind of like "squeal like a pig." ;-) www.jerseygirlracing.com BTW, I found this (scroll down some to the You're from Jersey if"). Made me feel right at home, and even though I'm not from Jersey, I spent enough time there. My father's folks used to own an apartment off the Boardwalk, just up from Steel Pier a ways... One of my step-fathers was born and raised in Summer's Point, just over the bridge from Ocean City, he actually went to Lakehurst a day or so after the Hindeburg burnt, he had a very interesting life from about in the 20s&30s until the war... Also, spent lots of time in Pennsauken, Camden, and Cherry Hill (had a girlfriend from there, but not "Mary Hill," which, BTW, is very close to my all time favorite song, up there with Hang on Sloopy, and If you want it, come and get it...) Ummm, sorry, there I go again on a tangent. The last time I was in Jersey was in '92 or '93 or so, at Ft. Monmouth for some work. I have a cousin who's worked there forever, but I didn't know he was there then. And of course, I love driving from there back down toward Philly. I take all the back roads (or used to), which was just heaven to me. In 2000, I was hoping to go work at Monmouth for ARINC, but I was offered the other job, and here I am... I should have taken the Jersey job, I think. Of course, my daughter would talk funny, but s'ok, she talks like a Texan sometimes now, which is just as bad--no, worse! You by any chance know Roxborough/Manayunk or the Wissahickon Valley in Philly, just north across the Schuylkill from the Main Line (Bala Cynwood, Bryn Mawr)? That's where I was raised mostly. Well that and summers spent down the shore at Atlantic City or Ocean City. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56697 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56697 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:37:38 -0600 John, It was great meeting you and the Mrs. Did you find out when it would air on CSPAN? I forgot to ask. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56695 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56695 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:36:43 -0600 ...and just plain 'sounding like I'm from the pine barrens' sorts of things.. Heh. Now *there* is an esoteric reference, albeit a trifle dated. Those Who Know call it "Deep 609"...]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56694 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56694 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:18:45 -0600 Actually, I didn't have any trouble following it at all. Which rather supports your thesis, no? But I was thinking more of the mix of German-Japanese-Portugese that Edward James Olmos' character speaks in Bladerunner. But them, we already do that, just to a different degree. Akimbo--pure Japanese. Zeitgeist---German. I guess I don't want it to change or add stuff faster than I can keep up with is all. Thanks for the book recomend, Sanger. We'll see what we can afford AFTER I get the gollummobile fixed. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56691 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56691 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:38:06 -0600 Ya' know... I really ought to slow down on this stuff. The last three posts of mine have been full of spelling, grammar, and syntax errors, to say nothing of unclosed parenthetical expressions, spacing problems, and just plain 'sounding like I'm from the pine barrens' sorts of things. I'll try to be less sloppy. You can rest easier now. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56685 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56685 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:27:45 -0600 > I just don't think I want to speak a polyglot language though. I have a hard enough time speaking and spelling in English. ;) Ah... but now consider. written language is a relatively recent invention of humankind. Punctuation, which essentially exists to tell people when to breath was invented much later... But what is written language? It is nothing more than the way we preserve speech across time & space, so that something said here, can be 'heard' there or later, vs. now. Now, consider what windows and high bandwidth net apps are doing to the 'need' for written language.... Ever see anyone in Star Trek actually write anything? At most you saw people reading, but usually lots of pictures, but the closest you saw to people write what the captain stabbing the yeoman's box with that stylus thingy (and make of _that_ what you will, dirty minds). My point is that humans are visual and verbal creatures, not creatures of writing (which in many ways is an affectation of civilization, 'cause most old things were passed down by word of mouth, eh? So... my whole point here (sorry this is disjointed) is that spelling is a meaningless thing to know (beyond our time) and has little real value in the grand scheme or things, just as does the knowledge of grammar and syntax and all that other useless stuff that you don't need to know (in detail) in order to communicate relatively well. In 100 years, I am not sure people will be writing at all. I think they will be speaking to a machine and the machine will translate it into some kind of universal script that can be translated by another machine into any written or spoken language. So... it will be important to be able to read, but not write.... For most folks anyway. And as for a polyglot language, you already speak read and write one that is evolving every day... English comes from Danish, Frisian German, and Saxon. The Romance languages (French and Latin) didn't get bundled in until 1066, and that was just the veneer, if you will. English is one of few languages (may be the only, but I think the French tried once) to have a thesaurus, 'cause we have three root languages and a couple of overlay languages. Consider: most concrete words in English (hard nouns) come from Germanic (door, table, mother, father, bread, cheese, tower, stool, etc..); most intangible things(abstract ideas) come from Latin or French mostly, but all of the romance languages are bundled together so one as all, mostly. You had to have wondered at some point why English words are spelled so stupidly when almost every other language makes sense? What other language has a word that has the same vowel pronounced 3 ways in the same word: marmalade. And you know why 'ghoti' can be pronounced 'fish' right? Anyway, American English is really a bigger language than British English because it includes more words relating to geography (a lot of geography words used in the US are not common English words because a lot of American landforms don't exist in England... A "bluff" is one that comes to mind. For an excellent write up on this, check out H.L. Mencken's The American Language. (get the 1 volume abridged version, the 3 volume is monstrous) And P.S. English is NOT based on Latin grammar (as we were mistakenly told so many times, and that one reason prepositions (and prepositional phrases, like "jump up on" which is different than "jump upon") can be used on the ends of sentences. Ha, betcha didn't know all the useless crap. Or care, either.. he. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56684 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56684 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:15:19 -0600 Trust me, there is a whole lot more to what I am talking about than just a fancy piece of hardware. I am talking about a seas change in public opinions and attitudes about news, about government, etc.. Okay, now we're talking 'market penetration' of a concept. I follow, I think. Netheads of a certain stripe do that. Hard-core gamers do that. It's still a counter culture and not the norm. I think I follow. The capability is there though. Even without broadband enabled by fiberoptics cable. I just don't think I want to speak a polyglot language though. I have a hard enough time speaking and spelling in English. ;) ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56677 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56677 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:26:58 -0600 Thank you SO much for live-blogging this. My gf got sick yesterday so I couldn't attend, but through the power of google I can at least get the gist of it. thank you. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56663 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56663 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:07:12 -0600 Nah... Not yet. And I like the graphics, but I'm not impressed with the hardware, and too expensive for what you get. But see, you're talking about infrastructure--which matters too-- but I was talking about content and social-structure. People as a rule are not yet (but close), really global in their thinking, nor even really national. A lot of people still watch the local news stations and the MSM to see what's going on, because they don't yet understand the mature of gatekeeping by agenda-bound organizations. Bottom line, anytime a reporter is in anyway concerned about advertisers or where the $$ is coming from, they are slaves to whoever has the cash, no matter what they may claim. Trust me, there is a whole lot more to what I am talking about than just a fancy piece of hardware. I am talking about a seas change in public opinions and attitudes about news, about government, etc.. And it is coming, but we're not quite on the edge of close yet. I give it about 10-15 years... Ever see any of Bruce Sterling's Stuff. Think Neuromancer, Burning Chrome & Johnny Mnemonic, but not quite as iconoclastic, with a touch of Bladrunner multiculturalism... And spend some time standing on the corners in Georgetown just watching people, to see the kind of place I think the entire country is going to be in 100 years or possibly even less... I actually regret a little that I won't be around to see it all... But I guess that's how Jules Verne felt too, and Asimov, and all the rest... [deep sigh] http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56661 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56661 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:57:15 -0600 So, what I see is that in 5-10 years, TV will be PCs, will be stereos, will be home entertainment, and people will plop down and hit the remote for WHATEVER they are in the mood for, be it Movies on Demand, stupid MSM-type talkie-talk non-news like CNN (which has become completely irrelevent to me), or American, or international, or blogs, or WHATEVER. The total fusion is not far off,---Sanger. Umm, have you looked at what the PS3 or the XBox 360 does lately Sanger? IT's not in five years. It's yesterday(more like Nov of 2006 when the PS3 launched in the US). Those consoles are your entire entertainment system. Surf the web, tivo, download and play iTunes or other MP3, whatever. You do it with those consoles. That's why they cost $5-700. Most people will buy them simply as game machines and under utilize them. But they're meant to be the heart of any entertainment system. You can even do a wireless keyboard via USB to word process and blog. It's here, today Sanger and it retails for $699.99 at Toys'R'Us. ANd you should talk about immigration. We're kinda stale on that. Maybe for your dramatic re-entrance you could do a cross post here and at Grand Retort? ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56649 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56649 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:02:50 -0600 Good deal, thanks... Interesting. personally, I think the wbe is the end of TV media, but it may take a few years... It will all go the way of Fox's infotainment, with no real interest by teh masses, especially once vid feeds are fast. And EVERYone can be a news caster, everyone with a camera will be... I read an article/essay once that discussed what people really hunger for, die for, just eat up whole... Point of View. It's not the medium, necessarily, nor the handedness, but the POV. People want fresh, clean POV or they want POV they agree with, or they want POV they can yell at while driving (my favorite thing to do at National Proletariat Radio). That's one thing I like about Argghhh and dslike about LGF (anymore). POV is different and presented diffently, and I am not just talking about gun interests. So, what I see is that in 5-10 years, TV will be PCs, will be stereos, will be home entertainment, and people will plop down and hit the remote for WHATEVER they are in the mood for, be it Movies on Demand, stupid MSM-type talkie-talk non-news like CNN (which has become completely irrelevent to me), or American, or international, or blogs, or WHATEVER. The total fusion is not far off, and people like you and I will look back on these days with pride, the way I still like to show off with DOS commands (it's amazing what you can still do behind the windows, Oh Great OZ, and I astonish younger folks even more now than I used to do when everyone was looking at C:\>... Like doing a piped dir into a text file (something windows still can't do easily)... Anyway, my whole point here is that I am certain blogs are just the crest of the wave (I know I'm not an orginal thinker here), but the wave is not quite what a lot of people think it is is going to be.. It will be 24/7 news on demand, live from joe-blow on the street in downtown Beijing, taking digital video of the parade and talking live split screen with Josette Blow who is at Mardi Gras, and reporting on the similarities of people partying (except I don't expect many Chinese women are stupid enough to bare their breasts for some dumb-a$$ beads...) Anyway, POV. Blogs have it... and BEST OF ALL, we all get to share in creating the POV community. We are the POV, though it helps to have a guide or shepherd to maintain tone and tenor, if you will... An orchestra leader. Not sure if that makes sense, but if any of you give me any grief about it, I start waxing poetic about immigration! And let me tell you. I CAN talk about immigration... Bye for now. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56647 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56647 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:19:57 -0600 This was great. I loved that info. I think I am one of those "middle" bloggers. I only have passion for certain people and things. LOL Anyway...very interesting indeed. And, I think that they keep nailing the essential message of blogs: they are the watchers of the watchers and everything you say and do will be drummed down to the minute and matched up with everything else you did and said. I fully believed that is what cooked Kerry's goose. he couldn't escape his words over and over and he couldn't escape being nailed by it. The blogs kept the pressure on, even if the TV fed on it and made it bigger. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56646 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56646 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:49:54 -0600 Good point. I'll keep that in mind. Plllpppptttt! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56643 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56643 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:36:28 -0600 I'm in the audience typing on my lap. Bet you'd have fewer typos if you'd type on the keyboard...]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56642 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56642 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:24:33 -0600 I am madly jealous! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56639 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/02/liveblogging_bl.html#comment-56639 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:50:29 -0600