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I knew I didn't like Rumsfeld as a war planner.

A bad day at the office

I always thought his personal war planning group simply made too many assumptions, and started thinking of them as facts. You have to make some assumptions about the unknowable, or you can't plan. But there are two cardinal rules - don't assume away problems without having a contingency on the shelf to deal with them if your assumption is wrong - and don't nest assumptions.

Especially if the failure of any single assumption in the chain kills the chain.

If you don't do that, you move beyond simply accepting risk - you move into gambling. And if you are planning an optional war (perhaps not optional in that it might have needed doing at some point, but certainly optional in terms of timing) you simply have no business gambling. The sad truth however, is that risk versus gamble is usually a dichotomy resolved by the historians after the fact, not the decision-makers before the fact.

I admit - I was, and still am, prejudiced in favor of the "overwhelming response" form of swarming an enemy - done properly I still believe it presents the safest path to quicker victory and in the end, less damage and fewer casualties. Certainly, there are campaigns within wars and operations within campaigns, and battles within operations where you have no choice but to accept the risk of economy of force operations because as Napoleon putatively noted - "He who would be strong everywhere, will be strong nowhere."

There is a Clausewitzian maxim - one the Brits have mastered (as did we in our Revolution, and the North over the South, and that the Germans and Japanese learned to their rue - and that the North Vietnamese taught us:

"There is only one decisive victory: the last."

It is a lesson the Insurgency is trying to teach us. And one the President *and* Congress would do well to ponder.

As I read through the stuff at this link thoughtfully provided by Jim C - another thing from Napoleon comes to mind.

If I always appear prepared, it is because before entering an undertaking, I have meditated long and have foreseen what might occur. It is not genius where reveals to me suddenly and secretly what I should do in circumstances unexpected by others; it is thought and preparation.

The information provided by the National Security Archive at the George Washington University, obtained via the Freedom of Information Act, are the Powerpoint slides used to brief the war plan. With associated commentary.

The more I read (and I read charitably, having done a fair bit of military planning, though truthfully none at this level) it would appear that we didn't meditate long and foresee - because we let our short-term objectives and desire for inventing a "new way of war" to blind us, and hamper our planning causing a lot of smart and brave people to have to start winging it.

There is less and less doubt in my mind as I live through this, that the greatest failing of this President and his Cabinet is failing in this observation of Clausewitz"

"no one starts a war-or rather, no one in his senses ought to do so-without first being clear in his mind what he intends to achieve by that war and how he intends to conduct it."

Not that they didn't think they had it covered... just that in the end, they did not.

I make no secret I didn't support invading, nor did I like that plan. I also make no claim that I would have done better. As I watch this unfold, my unsuitability for high-level command slaps me in the face time and again. I probably would have peaked as a division commander - and that only in an Army that promoted by seniority.

But these people sought those offices, and, I think, failed badly.

Don't take that to mean I'm a Murtha fan. I'm not. We have to make a truly honest effort to fix this. Which to my mind the opposition needs to be constructive, not destructive, but, well, there's another Napoleon quote that covers that, from both sides of the aisle:

In politics stupidity is not a handicap.

This isn't a criticism of the soldiers. It's a criticism of the top tier of leaders, including uniformed ones.

As I told students in my military history classes - any echelon can lose a war, companies win them.

The companies are generally performing very well, and as always, it falls on their shoulders to bear the burden of the mistakes of their seniors.

And the middle-level seniors are doing their level best to retrieve the situation.

But it's hard to win a game when your game plan is flawed - then you have to be flexible and adapt. The soldiers in the line are flexing and adapting all the time. But the coaching staff isn't.
Not that it's helping to have the hired help of the owners continually sniping anything they suggest, almost without regard to what the proposal is. But do they want to be coach? Nope. They want to declare the season over and withdraw from the league.

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As I've said before, war is like skydiving. It's not something you should do on a whim. There are times when it's a really bad idea to do it. And once you start, it's a very bad idea to try to quit early.
 
..and ain't it ironic that the reporter who caught the leak in mid-2002 was none other than Arkin.
 
Typing "POLO STEP" on the internet still gives me the willies. This is outstanding stuff for historical reasons. Just goes to show that the fundementals are critical. The Planning Assumptions are the most damning of all. Many are not talking about it, but the DoS Planning Assumption is all Colin Powell's bucket of goo - if we are looking to assign blame. Monday AM Qtrbacking is a tricky game to play - but in this case at least we can say that this will serve as a tool to ed'u'ma'cate to those who think Operational Planning can be done without looking at the hard won lessons of the past. The cult of the "War has Changed" must be gutted out of the military or re-educated. There are still many of the High Priests out there - SOUTHCOM is one of them. You quoted all the right ones. Before anyone goes into a leadership position of any J5/J35 shop they should have read them. In a perfect world...
 
So what's your fix, John?
 
This is not an I told you so to anyone. Just simple truth. I NEVER liked Rumsfeld or his ideas, at least insofar as I was aware of them. I never liked what he was doing to the military before 9/11, I haven't liked anything he said or did after 9/11, and on the day he resigned I said a little prayer hoping whoever followed him would be able to fix everything Rumsfeld and crew screwed up. We'll see. I know there are people out there who think the world of him. I'm not one of them. I know quite a few military people who aren't and weren't either and not all lower roanking folks, either. Could I have done better? Hmmm. Maybe not in the grand-game department, but two things I _know_ I would have done different and better are: 1) Listen to what all the folks were telling me, not just the ones who agreed with me. 2) Keep my opinions about allies, enemies, and everyone else to myself or behind closed doors. He was entertaining to watch, but he wasn't the President, and we (the public) should not have been listening to him nearly as much as we were. He should not have fired the guy who told congress the numbers were too low (that guarenteed the perversity of fate was going to make Rumsfeld eat his words). Oh, and I would have been a LOT more respectful of Shinseki, and I would certainly not have recalled the retired SOCOM commander to run the Army over the heads of every active duty eligable. For my part, if this all turns out badly, I will always in my heart feel it was Rumsfeld's fault. Of course, I don't know if he was just taking orders, but my sense is that Bush was doing what leaders do, which is give the people below the room they need to get job done. I haven't been so glad to see a public official leave office since Jimmy Carter. Of course, I've not been in his shoes, so my opinion is just that. But it is what it is. V/R SangerM
 
Having been merely a "junior enlisted" gun bunny, and due to my inexperience with senior level planning, I'll defer to you others who have more wisdom in this area. We can play the "coulda, woulda, shoulda" game ad nauseum. However, the question I have is really rhetorical, as it is unquantifiable: How different would things have been IF the Democrats had shown less "dissent" and presented a more unified and cooperative front to our enemies in Iraq, Iran, Syria, and elsewhere? To what extent has that opposition and dissent - perceived by our enemies as "divisiveness", "weakness", and "lack of will" - contributed to the need to maintain larger numbers of forces in theater than was originally planned? Had we not been so domestically divided, would our enemies have accepted that we intended to accomplish our goals in Iraq no matter what, and that there was no incentive for them to try to wait us out - in the hopes that a Democratic majority would "redeploy" and leave Iraq to them? Based on the numbers of Democratic "leaders" who voted for the authorization to use force - based on intelligence information that Clinton had, and which was not improved upon because of failings in our intelligence gathering systems and because of the very oppressive and closed regime of Saddam - I think Bush, Rumsfeld and the rest of the administration had every right to expect that the "loyal" opposition would be more united behind this entire effort. Especially after 9/11. If we can fault them for anything, perhaps their greatest failure was to underestimate efforts of Murtha and Company to - in Murtha's in words - undermine "other aspects of the president's foreign and national security policy". http://victorycaucus.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=57&Itemid=1
 
Sorry about the erroneous link above.
 
Frank - while your arguments certainly have merit in the here and now, and for the last year or so - I'm not sure that they really were impacting heavily at the time the war planning was done. There was war planning available that could have been adapted, going back to Zinni's tenure and up through the initial cuts that Franks and company took. This lays squarely at the feet of Rumsfeld and his circle of advisors.
 
Dusty - I already said I wasn't gonna be any good at that... but. My preference, which I wargamed, would have been a "just right" compromise for speed and size, and in fact would have looked a lot like what T.P.M Barnett would like to see. The March Upcountry pretty much as planned for the speed and getting it over with quickly. And, in Rumsfeld's defense, the Turks did screw us over regarding the 4th Infantry Division, which would have given us more troops available up front. But I would have been standing up, shipping and staging the follow-on force for the occupation duties. The problem, of course, lies around the thing that Frank alluded to, though in this case it was regarding getting allies to stand up and shoulder some of that burden. But heck, Dusty, at this point I honestly don't know how much of what I like to think my plan might have been is informed by all the subsequent debate and discussion.
 
John, Points well taken. Also: "And, in Rumsfeld's defense, the Turks did screw us over regarding the 4th Infantry Division, which would have given us more troops available up front." This would also have allowed us to catch the Iraqis in a vise between the southbound 4ID and the northbound 3ID and 1MEF, where we could have killed and captured more of the Iraqis that eventually melted back into the woodwork, fueling the later insurgency.
 
Okay, we need a real Rumsfeld defender here. Enter gollum. I dunno, John. Rumsfeld was a PNAC guy. He wanted more troops to the bottom line, before he even got to be SecDEf. Did he really have a choice in the matter on that score given who actually sets the policy on when we go to war and when we don't? Sure, Shinseki was right. Would we have gotten the strength, active component, that Shinseki said was necessary? Guard, Reserve, and Active components summed for the time necessary(5-25 years)? Doubtful. Very doubtful in my mind. So it becomes a war you can never do even if, as you admit,it is something that had to be eventually done. Which is worse: 'rock soup' or never having dared at all? Which is worse: trying a new method that offers much potential or trying to spread too little butter over bread? Was it that Rumsfeld was utterly blind? That's not my take(but I'm not as wired in as some of you, so take that into consideration). More like a man pissed that he's being attacked for playing the hand he was dealt---EBW all the way was all he had capabilities for. He wasn't going to get the Crushing Fist we had for WW2. Did he have a choice? I don't think he did. I think Barnett said it best in Pentagon's New Map: Rumsfeld is aa great SecWar, bust a bad Sec of Everything else. We needed a Sec Everything else. We had Rumsfeld. ANd let's not forget that Rummy tried to resign long before he did. He tried to give us the opp for a Sec Everything Else. But someone didn't want to take the hit in domestic political arena. Still there's plenty to be graded down on. Contingency most heavily. But did he have a choice? Was Rumsfeld, even if he wanted to, going to get a Reagan-esque build up so he could do this in a crushing grip fashion? What was Rumsfeld's Transformation going to be? A lighter, more flexible force. Lots of gold platted gear. If FCS was in normal production would we have been worrying about un-armored humvees? If we'd waited until BUsh's second term for Iraq would much of his changes been in place and wargamed instead of learning on the fly(Afghanistan was such a small affair and Iraq so close on its heels, I don't know if the lessons learned from that could be formulated much less really learned---how long did it take for 'Not a Good Day to Die' to come out?)? Probably. You're using the 'Victory has many fathers, but defeat is the child of one man,' axiom. It's an axiom I think is largely false in reality but utterly false in reality. sure, he's got some blame in this. It was his plan. His management that guided us to where we are. But are others blameless? I don't think so. I'm not talking about Democrats and warprotests either. He made mistakes, largely on assumptions, but that doesn't make him Darth Vader or the Bishop from Three Musketeers. More like the ex-musketeer who sides with the Bishop. There's lots of blame to go around. All of it to deserving parties. Rumsfeld as SecWar was great(the Neo-Anabassis). But he wasn't good at the seoond half of war, the reconstruction pary---laregely because of assumptions. Nor did he have the tools to be good at it(the cannon counting part). Blameless? no. But sole or even majority owner? No way. ANd I must, respectfully, disagree with Lord Phibian a smidge. War has changed. Or parts of it have. What's required is flexibility. Tools to go across the spectrum. Not just Dinosaur Big War or Wizbang Network Centric only. Full. Spectrum. And that doesn't translate to just both of the previous categories. Too bad nobody will ever give us a budget that we can afford to do that. (See the Fehrenbach column.) But you guys do deserve to crow a little bit seeing how jerks like me have said that war has changed and your experience may no longer be applicable.
 
Ry, I didn't say reprise Desert Storm, much less WWII. I stated that as a preference. My beef is that the planners hand-waved away the post-capture-of-Baghdad issues. And then they dithered for a long time, for many reasons, in making the needful changes. And I essentially am saying that yes, if you can't do it within a close approximation of right, then you need to seriously consider whether you should do it at all - or, swallow your pride, accept some limitations, and bring in the allies that can help - much like you yourself have talked about. In my world, Ry, failure *does* many times have a single father. And in this case, the nexus is Rumsfeld. I'll happily pile on Powell as well, for his lack of success in lining up the Allies, and the President for his inability (which may be systemic and problem for any President) to get his cabinet level agencies to pull together. Did I not pretty much just say that This Administration screwed the pooch and was slow to react and fix the problem? I am not going to go down the line and single out (nor could I, anyway) each major player who failed in this. When units are broken, teams failing, who shoulders the major portion of the blame, because they are the fulcrum? The commander, the coach. That's where I lay my blame, and this planning document just cements it for me. And this isn't crowing that much. And it is a form of piling on. But what the fiddle fart do you expect from me, anyway? [RCA puppy look]
 
And Ry, War hasn't really changed that much. The goals are the same as they have always been, the land is the same, the principles are teh same, it is no different than it has ever been. Hows that? You start with objectives (if you're doing it right), you look at your resources, you determine how much you can do with your resources, you create secondary and tertiary to the nth degree objectives that support the grand scheme, then you start planning how to best use the resources to attain the objectives. All that network centric jazz and new-age war stuff is just trimmings--how you get it done, how you finish first with less pain and more gain than the bad guys. But you can bet Patton would not have had a hard time understanding how to win in Iraq, nor Andrew Jackson, nor Bradley, nor Marshall, nor my personal military fav, W.T. Sherman. The techniques may have changed, but war is just exactly what it has always been, make no mistake about that. And as for flexible, in spite of what a lot of people say, the Army is about as flexible an org as any I've ever worked for. Now that may not sound like the most ringing endorsement, but consider, the only command in the Army that was allowed to buy and use whatever it felt it needed was SOCOM. The rest of the Army had to use what it was given, with the money it was given. But not SOCOM. Need a neat new toy, need the latest new medical gear, radios, armor, pistols that actually knock people down... SOCOM was able to spend money the way IT wanted to and was not stuck in the cycle. And after 9/11 the money really started pouring in, and in fact, so much that they had to start accounting for it.. Uh-oh, there goes the freedom. Yeah, so the special ops folks get held up by Rumsfeld as the coolest of the cool, and flexible, and new-age warlike are (and they really are), while the rest of the military has to do things like leave old-school battle books lying around for new guys to pick up. And lest you forget, Rumsfeld was determined to trim the Army back, long before 9/11. He wanted everyone to be like SOCOM, but he wasn't going to give everyone the same freedom to spend. You can't imagine the utterly stupid things I (and the whole Army) had to do just trying to figure out how to reorganize training programs for new lieutenants so that no one would ever have to spend more than a few days on holdover.. And as for transformation, Shinseki may have been wrong about the hat thing, but he and his staff had a clue about transformation. His plan was designed to change from one kind of Army to another while still being able to fight a two front war, which was his mandate. Yeah it was big, but that was what he was told to do.. And there's lots, lots more. --- And BTW, just for the conversation, I'm not sure the Turks screwed us as much as they just decided their local politics demanded they not be made to look like dupes of the U.S. We took Turkey for granted, which may have been justified, but should not have been done. I spoke to a Turk AF officer about this, last year. He said "You guys just didn't ask the right way, and then people got nasty. You made it look like we had no choice, and that is NO way to get a Turk to do what you want. Ever." More to the point, it wasn't completely in Turkey's best interests to help us at that time. Aside from everything else, they were trying to get into the EU, and the EU was opposed to the war. Also, they were more concenred with Kurds than Hussein, and our efforts were going to lead to more Kurd problems for turkey. Why should they help? Our fault for not finding a way to make it plausible for them. And we should have planned for that, anyway.... -- just feh!
 
[RCA puppy look] Well, I didn't get kicked or Big Booted or even Hairy Eyeballed. So that's something. That last part was in answer to the Lord Phibian. Not you.
 
Ry - Oh. Well, whyncha say so, then? Sanger - Ok, change it to, "The Turk situation screwed us." ;)
 
Because some things have changed, Sanger, that effects how you can allocate resources and deal out pain. Sherman, the much loved Sherman, would be in deep ____ if he tried to do what he did to the South. PAtton did suffer at the begining of the Media Age---look at how reporters went after him for making decisions they didn't like and nearly got him removed from command in Bavaria for how they covered him. These are new things. 'Highway of Death' forcing GHWB to shut down the war before he wanted to, because of what images would do to support back home. Nobody before that had ever to worry about killing his enemy to efficiently. Things have changed. Not just the bells and whistles but fundemental assumptions about how to decide where, how much, how long, and for what purpose get made. That's a big deal and to down play it is as dangerous as to say the old school stuff doesn't matter. Phillip of Macedon may have been one of the first, and best, to use info ops in his warmaking strategy but we're now in an age, unlike 60 years ago, where if you aren't good at infoops you're utterly hosed from word go. Patton didn't face that. US Grant didn't face that. Neither did Nappy. Phillip had such success with it because nobody else was using it and had no idea of what was going on. New first principle has been put into the game. All the questions Rumsfeld asked were:
You start with objectives (if you're doing it right), you look at your resources, you determine how much you can do with your resources, you create secondary and tertiary to the nth degree objectives that support the grand scheme, then you start planning how to best use the resources to attain the objectives.
It still left him incapable of figuring out how to beat an inusrgency. There's more questions to be asked and answered. That's, and I may be out of my place to say this, what a Brigadier asks but not when you're in overall command of the entire effort. I think Ike would say that that's not all you think about. That's the kinetic and logistical parts, but you also have to think about the political part as well. Which is what we all agree Rumsfeld went to sleep on. THose aren't the only questions that matter anymore, and proceeding like they are can be problematic in attaining national goals. Best place to point to what I'm talking about: Boyd's moral sphere of conflict. In the past it could be ignored, even if it always existed, but it cannot now. And I'm not saying that the military isn't a learning organization. It is. ----- Two front war. I don't think so(but I'm gollum). To do that, imo, we need Reagan era force levels. Which we haven't got and aren't likely to have. I'm not real familiar with what Shinseki wanted to do. Would someone refresh my memory, please? If he was pushing for that(Reagan levels), and likely to get it, I'm in agreement. If not, I'd like to see what he had planned. Before I make an even bigger fool of myself. ______ I'm a big believer in that it isn't just how much of what you got but, the capability of what you got combined with what you got that makes the difference(Having 2000 SU-35s doesn't mean didly if your pilots only have 50 hours flight time going up against a quarter as many SuperBugs with pilots with 500 flight hours). But, still, it does matter how much you have. CApability does not always offset material inferiority. We don't have enough for two wars. Two routs of the enemy in less than 6 weeks maybe, but not two wars. YOu guys would try, and make a real go at it. but there just isn't enough to do it proper.
 
> 'Highway of Death' forcing GHWB to shut down the war before he wanted to, Not a true statement. Just not. Those pictures came out a bit later, and weren't that big a deal here. Most folks were just glad more Americans didn't die. The war was over before people got a good look at that stuff anyway (which by the way happened toward the end of it, as the Iraqi were trying to escape Kuwait). Quote: "Although no reporters were present during the action, and media accounts did not appear for almost a month, photographs taken afterwards showed dramatic scenes of burned and broken vehicles." From Wikipedia (not the best source, but what I've read before). There were OTHER real reasons Bush stopped the war, not the least of which was we did NOT want Iraq to fall apart the way it has, the way the smart people predicted it would before the 1st Gulf War! The objective was to get Hussein out of Kuwait, not to take over Iraq. AND, we wanted him balanced against Iran (guess why...!) As for the folks I named, you have assumed _I_ am not aware of the differences in the world today; didn't you read what I wrote about Wilson? I do so get it, and even so, EVEN SO, I say Sherman and Patton and the rest would have known how to win the war. Now, whether or not the Government would let them is another story. The problem as I've said is NOT with the military knowing what to do. It's leadership. As before, the key here is objectives. What are we doing in Iraq? Anyone who thinks we've made more friends in Iraq by not wiping out Sadr's folks doesn't know their history. All we've done by being 'civil' is give them space to kill their political opponents. If we'd been out to just win a war, we could have left 2 years ago. > Two front war. I don't think so(but I'm gollum). To do that, imo, we need Reagan era force levels. Which we haven't got and aren't likely to have. You weren't paying attention. I said that was Shinseki's mandate. Not that we could absolutely do it (though as for our ability and capability, I think you would be real surprised. A lot of people would be), but that was the plan, and that's what his transformation was meant to try to address. Sure yeah, Rumsfeld could do transformation faster, he changed the mandate. It's always easy when you get to decide what the rules are. V/R
 
I'll jump in on the Rummy bandwagon for defense. this being one of those exercises that doesn't matter because it is long gone and cannot change the situation. To top it off, when you go against the general concensus and apparent current situation to the contrary, you will be the heretic. So, I'll be the heretic. First issue, post "Cold War", every administration was moving desperately to reduce and "transform" our military. Yes, that began pre-Desert Storm, but it did continue very vigorously throughout the two terms of a democrat presidency and a Republican controlled congress. Frankly, being somewhat cognizant of how the Pentagon plans out these activities (in four year lumps if I am not mistaken with plenty of long term overlap), the "tranformation" was already far underway. This tranformation to the "lighter more mobile force" was being done by stripping the divisions and focusing on, as John points out, special forces for the "small wars" AND developing Air Force tools since it seems it was the general concensus (post Desert Storm, Kosovo and Bosnia) that we could bomb the crud out of our enemy from the sky with little risk or need for big ground forces. It was hardly a new concept when Rumsfeld came in. Further, by the time that Rumsfeld came in, all of these forces (air force, navy, army, etc) had been indoctrinated into a "self protection" mode. I did read Franks book and he did imply that the biggest pain was trying to get all of these groups to cooperate in making a feasible plan. It seemed like everyone was more concerned about their individual arms of the military and getting their "piece" than actually developing a workable plan. In fact, I think he also implied that he basically had to circumvent the chiefs of staff to get a meeting with the air force guys to do just that: get input. Now, we could blame that inability to get people to play ball on Rumsfeld's management style. Then again, I'm not opposed to putting a big chunk o'blame on the Chiefs who seemed more interested in stomping their feet and throwing a fit. Now, i can put in the disclaimer "I've never planned a war before", but I have been in the "big picture" management part of companies that are doing major overhauls on structures and systems for plodding businesses that are "functioning" but not "profitable". And I can say from experience that it is very rare that you come in to a situation where the people employed and performing the "plodding" agree with you or are happy to see you. What you usually end up with is a bunch of reasons why you CAN'T do something instead of how you CAN do something. And the reason why they tell you it CAN'T be done is because they insist that they have the experience to prove it. Nobody wants to change and nobody wants to do it when they feel like they've already been "changing" regardless of how effective the change is or isn't. what you usually end up with is three groups of people: the ones that buy in (through some very strenuous "selling" efforts of the change agent) and actively work to make it happen; the ones that quit because they just don't want to do it; and the ones that hang on, dragging their feet, making it as difficult as possible for you to push through the changes. The last you go through painful hoops to either move them along or get rid of them, regardless of how long they have been with "the company". Add to that, once you are "hired" as the "radical change agent" and start pushing through things, the "board of directors" that hired you for that reason and for your abilities, start telling you that it can't be done and allow the managers (in this case, Shinseki and the other Chiefs) to run around the chain of command, you are undermined and your ability to actually perform the task that you were assigned starts crumbling. Arguably, Rumsfeld had Bush's support, but Bush isn't the sole board member. When the other board members are actively fighting every move, even if they didn't materially hamstring Rumsfeld, they can and did effectively demolish his power as a manager and ability to be an effective "change agent". More to come...
 
Looking at this whole “Power Point Slide” issue, it has occurred to me that it is a well timed political smear (see #1) to coincide with dem’s non-binding “Iraq anti-surge resolution.” It’s just the old Pelosi one-two political punch designed to divide republicans (She did that with the Tom Delay case). Power Lines says the slides shown on CNN and hyped by Thomas Blanton (an ACLUer, see #2) are not new. Similar slides showed up to three years ago in Rowan Scarborough’s book (see #3). The slides have just been re-packaged and new media spin added just as the “anti-surge resolution” came to the floor. Further, Power Line indicates that the shooting war went as expected but the reconstruction effort when poorly due to the State Department's lack of preparation. And, lastly, the fly paper action of Iraq has drawn in and killed a large number of terrorists – keeping the war away from the US (#4). Notes: 1. http://powerlineblog.com/archives/016793.php 2. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/arc_staff.html 3. http://powerlineblog.com/archives/016801.php 4. http://powerlineblog.com/archives/016799.php
 
I firmly believe, even if we had not been at war, Rumsfeld would have been a controversial figure. He was a business manager who came in and tried to make the Pentagon and it's generals act like a business. If you were going to propose spending, you needed to back it up and show how it would work in the model of the military, not buy it and then figure out what the tactics would be or how you would employ it. In fact, that has been and still is the problem with the military today. Too many pet projects and not enough 'from the field' real needs moving up the chain. Everyone complains about having to do justifications and power points to justify things they want and need, but not everyone is a good presenter or planner. That is the truth in every organization, but it also means that those who cannot articulate will be bumped to the end. Double that with the "new", "new" direction and you get a lot of people and things not going the way people want, adding to the general Pi$$y attitude. Peace or War, Rumsfeld was bound to tick people off. Frankly, I think that Shinseki would have left no matter what. And, frankly, if Shinseki had been as good a leader as everyone claims he was, he would have stopped dragging his feet, experience or not, and figured out how to make it work. he would have led. He didn't want to do it with this administration or this Pentagon management. That doesn't make him omnipotent or Rumsfeld an idiot. That makes him on par with every other upper management fellow that doesn't like the new boss. Further, i think he left behind some poisoned people, intentional or not. That is the way of these things.
 
I think we'er having another misunderstanding Sanger. When you say some thing like this "Shinseki may have been wrong about the hat thing, but he and his staff had a clue about transformation. His plan was designed to change from one kind of Army to another while still being able to fight a two front war, which was his mandate." I take it to mean that Shinseki had achieved it. That the mandate part is rather a subordinate concept in the total idea of the sentence. My bad. I took this to mean that you were saying Shinseki had achieved his form of Transformation when you weren't. I'm still not sure I know what you mean then. My point was that Rumsfeld came to town in FEB01 and was at war by FEB02(wasn't OEF kicked off in november 01?). Nobody had the time to do theirs. It was a mashup of trying to do transformation while doing Afghanistan and Iraq. Ain't problems like that why they built TRADOC to avoid(for some reason square regiments is coming to mind, but I could be wrong)? Here's where the assumption, imo, really comes to bite Rummy in the butt: IRaq and Afghan were going to be quick and easy affairs which we'd be out of quickly so Transformation could continue apace. That sure didn't work out that way. Isn't that why everyone was carping that the AF got its F-22 and F-35, Navy got DD-1000(Formerly DD(x)), and money was still being pushed at LandWarrior and FCS? "As for the folks I named, you have assumed _I_ am not aware of the differences in the world today;" No Sanger, I did not assume. I pointed out something you left out. Not the same thing. What you put on paper seemed to me like you were making it simpler than it really was. If you get it, fine. If you didn't I didn't know that you didn't. I only responded to what you put to paper---which was to omit this other stuff. I made a case that these other things matter. That's it. You omitted them and I argued that they shouldn't be omitted. Nothing more and nothing less. "The war was over before people got a good look at that stuff anyway (which by the way happened toward the end of it, as the Iraqi were trying to escape Kuwait)." Which was kinda my point SAnger. That's why I said 'Nobody before had been worried about killing his enemy too efficiently.' I can't remember where I got it, maybe History channel, but that these images were going to come out and that they would thereby hurt domestic support is why Bush 41 shut it down before his field commanders wanted to. But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I stand corrected. I learned it wrong. Patton. I sooo don't think so. I look at the biography Carlo de'Este on Patton and I see a man who would have hissy fits dealing with the modern media environment tying his hands. Come on, he hit two soldiers---which almost got him relieved then. Two reporters gave him a hard time in Bavaria and he almost lost it--which ultimately lead to his downfall. Sherman's philosophy was to bring the war to the general populace. Thereby making them quit the war. Last time I looked they changed the GCs because LeMay and Harris did the same thing. Could they handle the action on the ground and find ways to win? You betcha. But not in acceptable ways. Which seems to me, and this is just opinion, be what torques you. You don't want to go into 'total war' wasteland, but far further than what is currently deemed acceptable. Basically, I'm saying that their genius is undeniable, but if they were not stepped in the modern tradition they'd fight in unacceptable to modren morality ways(not in the face! Not in the face! Not with a club either!), which is what you seem to be saying is the problem with the leadership, no? I do not remember what you wrote about Wilson. Which Wilson are we talking here? Woodrow or Plamegate Wilson? "As before, the key here is objectives. What are we doing in Iraq? Anyone who thinks we've made more friends in Iraq by not wiping out Sadr's folks doesn't know their history. All we've done by being 'civil' is give them space to kill their political opponents. If we'd been out to just win a war, we could have left 2 years ago." Maybe. Not convinced on this yet. The attrition method of COIN has been tried and hasn't worked as advertised in other conflicts(Algeria, etc). This might have worked. It might not.(Full disclosure: currently reading 'Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife' and that may be skewing my thinking right now.) We don't know as we didn't go that route. And I find Ralph Peters a dangerous man sometimes. You and he I would want at the head of an invading Army. Not at its tail. But i do agree with you in one very major detail: thinking of the Shia or the Sunni as a monolith is bad(something I see in the press alot right now.). It's more complex than Sunni bad and Shia good. Playing for short term gains, an every six month kinda thing, hasn't produced great results. We shoulda picked a side, picked a plan, and stuck to it instead of, what seemed to me, constantly pushing for some six month goal that didn't seem to get us anywhere. Again, that's my impression, not my researched and reasoned position. Digression: In hindsight maybe saving Hussein as an Iranian counterweight wasn't so smart. He wound up being a hell of a lot more trouble than he was worth. And Iran used his Iraq as an excuse for needing all kinds of military things. Hindsights 20-20, and I haven't looked at the other angles yet. Just off the top o' my head. I still think you guys are wrong. Rumsfeld came in looking to fight China(PRC) in the Pacific in a high tech conflict. That's what he'd spent years planning for. Maybe he was so in love with that he couldn't or wouldn't change, or maybe that was an eventuallity he couldn't in good conscience give up on despite fighting two bushwars? He deserves a lot of aprobrium, but also some serious praise. While everyone else seems to have forgotten about the Pacific(we're living in a time that people refer to as the 'Pacific Century') he kept things in place to remain a power there. That's no triffle.
 
From the basis of assessment, I can name several off the top of my head: 1) Number of forces, amount of materials and prepared/ provisioned/ deployable forces 2) Risk assessment: if you do move what? if you don't move, what? 3) Political posture I can't speak with any real authority towards available forces and their preparedness. It does seem to me that with the reduction in bases, forces and degraded procurement for ground forces that the availability of forces was less than satisfactory for this supposed draw up of forces. Secondly, I may be confused, but it did take six months or more to put 500k in the field for Desert Strom. Even then, I seem to recall that the expectation for supporting this number of troops in the field was extremely short term. So, the first question is, would we have been able to sustain that force for 18 months or more while we did security and reconstruction? I don't believe that anything less would have provided for that security and reconstruction. Even supposing that we would not have "deba'athed" the government. Even if you could "draw down", where would we have gotten the replacement forces? Where's the reserve? Because, we would have needed them even for a "peaceful" occupation army. Second, even with that force, aside from, as Ry points out, basically massacring a retreating or surrendering force, do we really believe that the Iraqi forces would have stayed in place TO BE slaughtered? Fedeyeen or no? Because it can't be only the remaining "fedeyeen" that are our current problems. If we had taken the army in the masses that we did previously, what would have happened to them beyond exactly what did happen to them? Disbandment that is or near disintegration. Not to mention that many of these forces melted away before the ground forces even got started through the efforts of some covert connections while we were still "shock and awe". Whatever you want to call it, we would have still bombed them for awhile before actually starting the ground war and that would have given plenty of units the time to disperse into the population. And, I don't think, even with hundreds of thousands of troops, we would have seen the whole sale killing of a fleeing army because Ry is correct, we are not only prisoners of current political situation, but of all past endeavors and appearances. Frankly, I could go on and I have had the discussion with John about the positives and negatives of "total war" type efforts. yet, the more I look at what Iraq was and its condition, the more I don't see what else we could have bombed, besides the population. And that goes into the political posture I was talking about. No matter what, we were already the bad guys for 10 years of sanctions that allegedly killed 500k Iraqi children and had periodically bombed Iraq who had claimed that many of the bombings were civilians and civilian infrastructure so we already had a bad name. Now, it's nice to contemplate telling the world to F off about these perceptions and believing we would have been forgiven after the quick victory, but we are talking about the pre-invasion politics as well. All these premises on "liberation", "saving" the Iraqis, etc were explicitly designed to try and woo as many allies to our side. Something everyone believes was screwed by the administration. Yet, aside from the UN scam food for oil, there were also other considerations that was going to keep our allies out of the war, no matter what. Again forcing us to rethink our force size and the need for reserves to rotate in and out, even under the largest and quickest "occupation". Those issues revolved around political pressure by the citizens of these countries (many who were already making noises that we were killing the innocent Afghanis to get at Al Qaida); economic ties and, finally, France, et al had oil contracts with iraq worth millions. Now they are completely dependent on Russian oil (tyranny). Put that together with the UN Scam and there are a million reasons why they wouldn't be joining us on this march which accounts for about 100k troops we weren't going to get and didn't. Even our best allies went in with incredibly limited forces. Largely due to the pressures at home and the need for speed. So, I've got to ask, how many of the eight divisions were actually battle ready and could deploy in short order? Six? Four? Two? Now, John implies we should have waited then until we could field that army, but that is where a lot of the "intel/risk" and "political" aspects of the decision making come in. The need for speed had to and has to be weighed againtst that. i don't think Rummy was the sole architect for the speed aspect in terms of deciding that speed was necessary. I'll address that later since I'm tired as all get out, but, as much as I would like to think that something different, even the lack of rummy at the wheel, would have changed the outcome, I really can't see it. There would have had to have been many different variables and our allies would have had to have been completely different political animals.
 
I guess I get to be the fence straddler :) Rummy was ok. He wasn't great, he screwed up with the war and his planning and didn't listen to folks. But that being said I never ever liked Shinseki. At all. Ever. I sat at Ft Lewis watching tanks placed on trucks and trains while LAV's rolled in as the heavy weight armor was being taken oh so far away in the name of mobility, speed, instead of fire power and effectiveness. I never liked the foolish Soldiers Conduct Cards. Or the stupid little LDRSHIP tags we had to put on our dog tags. And about 300 other babizing nanny creation of the service that I loved. I felt like he had neutered my Army. And when Herbal Tea started replacing Coffee in the MRE's...I knew that my time was coming. Is my opinion biased? Yer dang right. Coming from an NCO stand point I'm always biased. My troops come first, and part of that is the ability to inspire them, motivate them and prepare them to improvise and adapt. Not give them silly little claptrap things to memorize because on High Command thinks it's neat. I didn't care for Cohen. Whole on TDY at FT Jackson we got to run with him. Yay. And after a barely 3 mile run, he gave us a speech. That in affect said "I'm going to change a lot of things but you'll like them , and be better for them." And we weren't. I don't think we have had a good SecDef since Carlucci. Again my opinion. I think up until Rumsfield we had paper tigers, and an office that never actually had to do much. I will say I think Rumsfield brought some class back to the office, that badly needed it. That being said I think he fornicated the canine when he started firing people for telling...gosh...the truth. Something that is never revealed on Capitol Hill area. In a day and age when I can't find a politician I agree 100% with, they only pay attention to our needs 50% of the time, and only bother to show up for votes 50% of the time, I think Rumsfield was in the end, better than a lot of other options we could have been handed.
 
Don't anyone think I was a Shinseki fan - and I heartily endorse Bloodspite's rant about the crap we hung on our dogtags (and the attitude therein represented). And don't get me started on the fargin' beret... And, just to make something clear - the post was on my views of Rumsfeld as a war planner, not as a SecDef. Hey, if it had all worked, he'd be a genius (though I still wouldn't care for his style, but that wouldn't matter, either). Part of why I'm engaged in this kind of criticism is I tire of seemingly reflexive attacks from the left, and reflexive defenses from the right, etc. We screwed the pooch on this, from the left and the right, but if it continues in a binary fashion, with one side not being able to admit mistakes, and the other not able to acknowledge successes (and that doesn't matter from which side it comes) it's just going to make the troops job harder. Right now most of that pressure comes from the left, but if we go back to Bosnia and Kosovo, etc - it came from the right. And both sides flip when they want to do something. It's maddening when you're the one tagged to actually go *do* it.
 
And both sides flip when they want to do something. It's maddening when you're the one tagged to actually go *do* it.
Which is why I had to change something about myself about age 25. I know I spray all over the place with opinions but I've steadily become a single issue guy when it comes to politics, 'How much you gonna give to DoD and how much you gonna ask it to do?' We're an interventionist nation right now. HAve been for sixty years, at least. So I accept that, even if my natural tendencies are against interventionism. It's the rule, you see. Getting back to Rummy the Warplanner(dog fetishist): Was he given mission impossible? I think he was forced to use rock soup methodolgy. He's got a boss just like everyone else. Boss says hop, you hop or you go home. He hopped. Plan didn't work beyond the March Up. Then it comes down to why couldn't he have done something akin to the Brit parctice of moving onto phase lines and halting--which allows for doing some reconstruction type activities(because he was in love with entropy based warfare, you nitwit. Thwap! Thwap! Thwap!(goes the cluebat) Ow!)? Forces didn't seem to be there. Or maybe the phase line and halt method obliviates the lack of forces? I don't have the answer to that.
 
Coupla points. 1. If you can't do it right, don't do it. 2. If you can't do it right, don't assume away the problems that are causing that. 3. If you can't do what you want to do, then do what you can or must - but don't call it something else, especially if are going to start believing you can do something you can't. 4. If all we could do was the equivalent of a punitive smash-and-leave, and that would meet our objectives, that's what we should have done. 5. If it wouldn't have met our objectives, then we shouldn't have done that, and worked on other ideas. 6. The point is - we gotta talk about it, and quit just reflexively defending whatever turf it is we're defending. 7. The discussion is happening internal to the services - but except at the highests levels, that isn't happening, not in any useful fashion.
 
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