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  <title>Comments for Whatziss wid all the Whatzisses...esses...?</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2007-01-24T07:07:09Z</published>
    <updated>2007-04-11T22:37:23Z</updated>
    <title>Whatziss wid all the Whatzisses...esses...?</title>
    <summary>Muffy! Drop the remote, get off the couch and tell Jake to crank up the drumroll CD -- we&apos;ve got a coupl&apos;a Whatziss Whiners Winners. Jake! That&apos;s *not* a frisbee! Wipe it off and stick it in the boombox -- oh, yuck. Where&apos;d you get the maple syrup, anyway? So much for presentation... Anyway, something interesting&apos;s cropped up. The Museum guys labeled this 57mm jobbie an M1A1. Yup, the US copy of the Brit gun. Chris figgered it out, but John and Sanger both went deeper and spotted something else. That caster wheel on the trail means it&apos;s an M2...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Muffy! Drop the remote, get off the couch and tell Jake to crank up the drumroll CD -- we've got a coupl'a Whatziss <S>Whiners</s> Winners.</p>

<p>Jake! That's *not* a frisbee! Wipe it off and stick it in the boombox -- oh, yuck. Where'd you get the maple syrup, anyway? </p>

<p>So much for presentation...</p>

<p>Anyway, something interesting's cropped up. The Museum guys labeled this 57mm jobbie an M1A1.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/%7B674E3800-A68B-47F9-ADC3-6DF9EC85DB46%7D/picture.JPG" border=0 alt="Not * a 6-pounder or a 17-pounder or a quarter pounder"></p>

<p>Yup, the US copy of the Brit gun. Chris figgered it out, but John and Sanger both went deeper and spotted something else.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/%7B454EC299-E0CD-40E9-96DC-8037BFF5513E%7D/picture.JPG" border=0 alt="The suspect identified by DNA"></p>

<p>That caster wheel on the trail means it's an M2 -- which means it's misidentified in the Museum. </p>

<p>That's what happens when the Artillery expert is a retired tanker, I guess...</p>

<p>But M1A1 or A3 or M2, they're all pretty adept at demonstrating why you don't see knights in full plate gallivanting over the battlefield anymore:</p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/%7BD2502C45-6C9B-4904-B5D0-C8CFCBF1DE6A%7D/picture.JPG" border=0 alt="The real reason chivalry went extinct…"></p>

<p>Speaking of real reasons, here's why John's been so anxious to stick I-beams in the kitchen ceiling. Don't tell SWWBO. It's supposed to be a surprise...</p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/%7B93734505-D26A-4BBB-9994-0F035AB311C8%7D/picture.JPG" border=0 alt="The real reason John wants a re-inforced ceiling…"></p>

<p>But I digress. Let the Great Rolling Whatziss Contest continue!</p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/%7BA27A9E80-3ACA-4D00-BA91-41648B3DEB85%7D/picture.JPG" border=0 alt="Ask Maggie. She’s the one talking about non-weaponry Whatzisses…issesess…%$#@!"></p>

<p>Give it a shot. No, Mags, it's *not* a weapon, so you don't have any excuse...</p>

<p>Heh. Hogtie PG-17C -- this ought'a be good...</p>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from SangerM on 2007-01-24</title>
    <author>
        <name>SangerM</name>
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        Will Putnam

Thanks for the gun def.  I hadn&apos;t got to looking at sov stuff, not sure I would have...  As for the Museum, I&apos;d love to go, but I don&apos;t think I&apos;ll be near Jersey anytime soon, except to fly over it in March going from Boston to D.C.

Who knows, though.  I need a Philly trip just to rejuvenate (and remind myself why I don&apos;t want to live there again), so it could happen....

Anyway, thanks
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    <published>2007-01-24T23:05:34Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from SangerM on 2007-01-24</title>
    <author>
        <name>SangerM</name>
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        Hi Neffi!

Phoeey!  I wasn&apos;t even thinking about anything but the hueycobra (and telephones)...  It was the flying tank comment... Oh well...


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    <published>2007-01-24T22:58:06Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Neffi on 2007-01-24</title>
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        Can&apos;t find my pencil- Bell P-39 Airacobra, much beloved by Soviet pilots for it&apos;s 37mm cannon. U.S. airmen thought little of them but the VVS put &apos;em to good use. 
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    <published>2007-01-24T20:16:35Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Will Putnam on 2007-01-24</title>
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        SangerM: The quad-mount behind the jeep is an old Soviet AA gun mount (DShk, I think), 12.7mm, which I believe was captured in one of the Iraq wars. There&apos;s some battle damage on it, which you can&apos;t see in the photo, but it&apos;s largely intact. Very cool piece, but entirely non-functional. 

Also, if you really want to stop by, the facility is host to a musuem that&apos;s open on thursday and saturday (IIRC).
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    <published>2007-01-24T17:01:15Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from MajMike on 2007-01-24</title>
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        rudimentary male chastity belt for Cavalry issue?
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    <published>2007-01-24T16:09:54Z</published>
    <updated>2007-01-24T16:09:54Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2007-01-24</title>
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        If it was standard equipment at basic... it must be a shoe horn or sumthin&apos;.
But seriously, the arm flips over and &quot;locks&quot; on top of the other end, forming a sideways &quot;D&quot;.  Looks like it&apos;s some sort of locking device that&apos;s missing the padlock.
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    <published>2007-01-24T15:32:04Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-01-24</title>
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        Um, oh, Fort Dix, New Jersey?
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    <published>2007-01-24T15:25:48Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from SangerM on 2007-01-24</title>
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        PPPS: I didn&apos;t know the difference in the guns, I just spent a lot of time looking at the other pic and remembered seeing the caster wheel.  No credit due me for ID...
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    <published>2007-01-24T14:58:17Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from SangerM on 2007-01-24</title>
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        And PPS (well you said you wanted comment count coup), that&apos;s an M151A2, 
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    <published>2007-01-24T14:46:14Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from SangerM on 2007-01-24</title>
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        oh, and there&apos;s a little tiny cannon in the corner on wwi or earlier wheels,  can&apos;t tell much about that one either...

Very small bore though

Man, I need to visit this place....
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    <published>2007-01-24T14:44:06Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from SangerM on 2007-01-24</title>
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        bell hueycobra  D-uh...

&apos;an I wanna know what that big honking gun is with the tractor-look tires. 

Also, is that a quad-MG42 AA gun in the corner behind the jeep?  I can&apos;t find any reference to that, and they really don&apos;t look like MG-42s, but I can place the thing.  Looks like a german mobile pedestal though, it&apos;s hard to see...
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    <published>2007-01-24T14:41:30Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2007-01-24</title>
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        BTW, the Whatziss was standard issue at one basic training post from its founding until about 1985.
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    <published>2007-01-24T13:51:14Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillT on 2007-01-24</title>
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        Hey, John - the one behind the 57mm has got the high-speed carriage mod, too. BTW, I did some de-painting on the second M1902. It&apos;s an M1905, barrel was made in 1907 by Bell Steel. No wonder they diversified into aircraft manufacture*...

*esoteric reference to the Bell __________( fill in the blank with a number 2 pencil ) which was semi-affectionately known as &quot;the Flying Tank&quot;...*
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    <published>2007-01-24T13:48:11Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from WereKitten on 2007-01-24</title>
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        Strangely... that looks like the underwire I just pulled of my bra the other day.
Industrial strength, don&apos;tcha know.
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    <published>2007-01-24T13:36:33Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-01-24</title>
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        <![CDATA[I see Geoff got there before I did - I was thinking dufflebag, mailbag, paybag lock.

After I shook loose from the throes of leg irons - except that there's no provision for a chain.

Anyway, it's something <a href="http://www.majorsurplusnsurvival.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=085678&Category_Code=45" rel="nofollow">like this.</a>

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    <title>Comment from SezaGeoff on 2007-01-24</title>
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        Mailbag lock - it is threaded through the eyelets at the top of the bag, folded over itself and a padlock locked on to hold the moveable arm in place.  The loop then forms a useful handle!  Might even have one here somewhere as the Scouts used to have them for locking goody-bags shut.
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    <published>2007-01-24T12:55:40Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2007-01-24</title>
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        That thing looks tantalizingly familiar, but I dunno.  Yet, anyway.

However - I *do* know what the gun behind the 57mm is...
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    <title>Comment from Murray on 2007-01-24</title>
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        Friend of mine has a British 6lb anti-tank gun.

Uses it for duck hunting.
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    <published>2007-01-24T09:27:14Z</published>
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