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H&I* Fires, 26 JAN 2007

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WEAPONS OF THE WORLD: Ray Gun Factory Opens January 26, 2007: It had to happen eventually. The American Northrop Grumman Corporation has just opened the first ray-gun factory. Officially, the plant will build high-energy, solid-state lasers and figure out how to install them in military vehicles. The first weapon being produced is the JHPSSL (Joint High-Power Solid State Laser), a 100 kW solid-state laser. The JHPSSL is to be mounted on armored vehicles and in aircraft. JHPSSL is basically an anti-aircraft and anti-missile system. It has already demonstrated that it can destroy artillery and mortar shells, as well as rockets and cruise missiles. Israel is interested in using JHPSSL as part of its rocket defense system. Ray guns have long been a staple of science fiction, and when the first lasers appeared in the 1950s, science fiction writers just assumed that many of their ray guns were "lasers." All this is not quite science fiction any more, mainly because it will take another decade or so before you have a hand held laser.

H/t, Strategy Page.

They also have some analysis of Israeli Merkava losses in the last fighting. Interesting differences from what I've seen elsewhere. -the Armorer

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Nuclear sting operation in Georgia(the country, not the state) stops sale of weapon grade uranium.

The Iraqi version of the ‘General’s Revolt’ is being played out.

Apparently, the lack of political will to see an invasion all the way to victory isn’t just an American problem. It’s even happening in Africa.

Something for Cliff to sink his teeth into: Reservist nurse fired for doing her job.
(ht/Malkin)
--ry(I'm late! I'm late!)
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A Spanish court has issued arrest warrants for three soldiers involved in the death of a Spanish journalist at the Hotel Palestine during the Battle of Baghdad. Jules Crittenden has more. FWIW, I'm with Jules.

In other legal news...

101st Airborne soldier sentenced to 18 years for murdering 3 detainees in Iraq

By Ryan Lenz
Associated Press

FORT CAMPBELL, Ky. — A 101st Airborne Division soldier was sentenced yesterday to 18 years in prison after pleading guilty to murdering three detainees during a raid on a suspected al-Qaida compound last year in Iraq.

Spc. William B. Hunsaker, 24, pleaded guilty to murder, attempted murder and obstruction of justice. Under a plea agreement, Hunsaker's rank will be reduced to private, his pay will be forfeited and he will be dishonorably discharged.

Military judge Col. Theodore Dixon also imposed a life sentence with parole that would be implemented if Hunsaker violates the terms of his plea agreement, which requires him to cooperate with prosecutors bringing cases against other soldiers in the crime.

In testimony during his court-martial, Hunsaker said he took "careful aim" at the detainees and tried to make it as "professional" as possible by shooting them in the chest and head. He also said he knew it was illegal but felt he was doing a greater good by killing detainees who might have been al-Qaida agents in Iraq.

"In his mind, he believed it was a lesser evil for a greater good," said defense attorney Michael Waddington.

Good. Welcome to my town, Soon-to-be-Inmate Hunsaker. You can read the rest here. -the Armorer

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"You weep with them; you hug them; you cry with them. Despite their grief, most of them want to go right back out on the line. They are the most amazing young men. I'm proud to be with them." Army Chaplain Chuck Popov, of Milford, Ohio, is with the 2nd Battalion, 27th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Infantry Brigade in Iraq.
They've suffered 30 casualties in recent months, including 5 deaths on the December 6, 2006: Spc. Yari Mokri of Pflugerville, TX; Spc. Joshua Madden of Sibley, LA; Pfc Travis Krege of Cheektowaga, NY; Spc. Jason Huffman of Conover, NC; Sgt. Jesse Castro of Chalan Pago, Guam. Many, many thanks to Chaplain Popov and those who serve both God and Country. ~AFSis

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This isn't war:

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A bomb killed 15 people and wounded 55 in the second attack in as many months on Baghdad's much-loved Friday morning pet market and a suicide bomber in Mosul killed seven at a Shi'ite mosque, police sources said.

This is just venal killing for killing's sake. If there is honor in this - I want no part, period, in the philosophy that embraces this as a just act worthy of entry into paradise. Farking splodeydope a$$holes. Read more here.

PM Maliki said to Parliament yesterday: "There will be no safe haven -- no school, no home, no mosque ... They will all be raided if they are turned into a launchpad for terrorism, even the headquarters of political parties."

Actions, sir. Actions. -the Armorer

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Right Wing News posts a poll of right-of-center bloggers on Republican candidates for President. I would say we bloggers haven't forgiven John McCain for his targeting of us in his campaign finance law (may the Supremes overturn those provisions in this next go-round.).

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The AP is reporting that the 5 US Soldiers killed in the attack on the Karbala complex last Saturday were NOT all killed in the meeting room, as previously reported. Now they're saying that only 1 was killed inside the complex; the other 4 were abducted, driven away from the complex, and then either killed or left to die up to 25 miles away.
This is *SO* messed up. Fury is building... someone put out the fire. QUICK. ~AFSis

*A term of art from the artillery. Harassment and Interdiction Fires.

Back in the day, when you could just kill people and break things without a note from a lawyer, they were pre-planned, but to the enemy, random, fires at known gathering points, road junctions, Main Supply Routes, assembly areas, etc - to keep the bad guy nervous that the world around him might start exploding at any minute.

Not really relevant to today's operating environment, right? But, it *is*

The UAVs we fly over Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for targets of opportunity are a form of H&I fires, if you really want to parse it finely. We just have better sensors and fire control now.

I call the post that because it's random things posted by me and people I've given posting privileges to. It's also an open trackback, so if (Don Surber uses it this way a lot) someone has a post they're proud of, but it really isn't either Castle kind of stuff, or topical to a particular post, I've basically given blanket permission to use that post for that purpose. Another term of art that might be appropriate is "Free Fire Zone".

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That whole spanish court thing really steams me. Remember when the rest of the world and some liberals here were giving the Pres a hard time for not signing that world court treaty? Remember he said that he didn't want some foreigner going on a legal vendetta against an American GI? I wonder what our lefty "buddy," Cliff, thinks of that?
 
> A Spanish court has issued arrest warrants for three soldiers THIS is why I tend to stick to whatzis for comments. This just flat pisses me off in ways I can even begin to be coherant about... Cowards? I think Crittenden was being nice. Two months.. Then I get to spend all my time writing about what I want to write about... (*&%(T*(&Y)* Spaniards! The new French but not as good at anything. Franco must have dictatored the spine and the decency right out of them--their judges and lawyers anyway. Feh!
 
SangerM - This is typical EU groupthink. I deployed several times to Spain in the late 70s through the late 80s. I could see the slippery slope towards European relativism and nanny-state socialism back then. I could also see that the Spaniards wanted very much to “belong” the good ol’ boys club of the EU. Of course, anything that causes grief to the US or her citizens is a good thing to the EU elites and scores style points for the country that inflicts such.
 
I saw the demonstration of the ray gun on the news this morning. They fired it at a group of "volunteers", who felt like they were on fire after getting hit with the weapon. It was weird.. like that scene in Talladega Nights when Ricky Bobby flails around on the track yelling "I'M ON FIRE! I'M ON FIRE!" but it's obvious that he wasn't. VERY weird technology.
 
Employers are getting very cagey about dumping the deployed. Us AGR-types who went to Boz were told that, as soon as we received orders switching us from Title 32 to Title 10, we would be considered as having voluntarily resigned from our jobs. I raised the point that we had been chosen on a by-name callup from POTUS (there are some things you just don't say "Thanks, but no thanks" to), so we weren't "voluntarily resigning." Took two lawyers and the threat of contacting a certain reporter for the NYT before they backed off. They have been much more reasonable since then...
 
I am, unfortunately, of two minds on this one Chief. It's not cool to shaft the Reserve and Guardsmen, but at the same time if I'm the employer I don't want to a) have to pay for two people and b) have the gov't tell me what I can do with my business(it's my property after all). I don't rightly know what I think is best or fair on this question. I was just wondering if someone would take up the issue and rally the troops to Help The Troops. Apparently they've let it go. I suspect their hunger to Help The Troops lasts only as long as it 'get the war profiteering white men.'
 
> I don't want to a) have to pay for two people and Employers don't have to pay for two people, just the one who is working there. The government is paying the other one. It's not like Jury duty. They do have to hold the slot for the returnee. A real pain in places like civil service, where you can't just hire a temp' (trust me), but in the business world this is not really that big a deal except to people who can't cope with change very well, or who have pinned their hopes/plans on the individual, not the slot... Where I've worked, we found plenty of poeple willing to take a temp job (just to HAVE a job) until the deployed person returned.
 
3) Mitt Romney (43) 2) Rudy Giuliani (45) 1) Newt Gingrich (52) That list works for me... I have been aggravated at McCain since he took my money (only pol I've ever donated to directly) and then quit without a fight. He should have returned the $ or donated it to some charity, given his campaign financing fixation. I don't want McCain in The white house any more than I want to see Hagle there (well maybe a little more).
 
ACtually Sanger, I think you do wind up paying for two. Particularly in this instance. She's not a low level player. You have to either promote someone(and pay them comensurate) or hire outside. Reservist comes back and wants their job back. Now what do you do? You've got two people with high qualifications that both deserve the job and one who's been doing it for the last 6 months and so is up to speed. I don't know if this case is representative, but it does matter. If she were just an auto-CAD draftsman on a team of them I'd say no biggy. But a dept head, in a highly technical field? It matters. It isn't that simple(not taht I'm saying it's simple with what you do, but it's a bit simpler no?). And then there's unions. Sigh. I just don't think it's that simple Sanger.
 
Unless I am missing something,reading the article about Rev. Popov, it mentions that he is attached to the 2/27 "The Wolfhounds" not the 3/25.
 
That's the confusing part, Tim. If you look at the bio's of the men who were killed on 12/6, they're with the 3/25. Sooo... I'm going with the assumption that the article about Popov is incorrect. Everything else I've read about the men who were killed 12/6 says "3/25, The Wolfhounds."
 
Ry, it IS that simple because it's the LAW, and there is nothing else that really matters. She's only been there since 2002, but been a reservist for lots longer. Not her fault, the org should have factored that into things when it hired her. Moreoever, there is zero difference between her going to war and her having a baby and getting materinty leave--as often as she wants to make a new one. This is like the 2nd Amendment. There is no debate, there is no qualifier, it cannot be gotten around, people are allowed to keep AND bear arms. Period. Nothing can be done to change that without a change to the constituion. And I wouldn't care if the person was a gas pumper or the owner of a small business, as many National Guardsmen tend to be, that's just the way it is. And the law is designed to protect the individual not the business, which can probably write off any expenses incurred by having to hire new people. One of my wife's cousins is a reserve AF nurse, he has spent LOTS of time doing Air Evac in the past 5 years, to Germany and Japan. His wife is an officer in the Reserves (was also, BTW, at the Pentagon on 9/11 & had moved from an office near the srike point to a new office just a month or so earlier). She is now full time. They both left civilian jobs because of the war, but they didn't have to, and they shouldn't have been asked to. And who cares about unions. Again, it's the law, and it was made a law for a good reason (do YOU remember the draft). Even discussing this as if the business is somehow being wronged gives validity to the enemies of people who are willing to serve their country when called. Yeah, life ain't easy for people who have to make do with one of the other 299,000,000 people in the U.S., but it isn't anything more than a whiner's peeve. It is nothing but the sign of a weak dishonorable character that forces people to make the choice that scumsucker was trying to get her to make. I hope he loses his job over this, and that it ruins his career. It is not a matter of discussion. He has no options. He should have just tried to be better than himself. And BTW, if you hire a replacement and don't tell that person the job is temporary, you are the dirtbag liable for the lawsuit, not the person who was called up. I've hired temps and been in offices that had folks (IMPORTANT/SENIOR FOLKS) go off to war for 6 months to a year. Tough for us. We hired temps when we could (and I don't mean CAD-types, either, but high-end SMEs and policy gurus advising people at the highest levels of DoD) or we made do without until the person came back. That's what decent, honorable grownups do. It really is just that simple.
 
Ah... wait a minute. I think I've got it now. They're with the 3rd Infantry Brigade. He's 2nd Battalion, 27th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Infantry Brigade. TOO many numbers and letters.
 
Before I go off I'm going to ask. Are you calling me an 'dishonorable whiner' or not? It's obvious that you're calling the lady's boss a scumbag, but I'm wondering if you're subtely saying the same about me. Look. I agree with the law, up to a point. I can see legal reasons, 'competing good' reasons, to have problems with such a binary law and binary application of it. That's a bit different that screwing someone over or calling for the repeal, ain't it? What I meant by unions was that I know of cases where the Guardman went off on his summer 2 weeks and when he came back the union wouldn't let the company release his replacement. Now they were bound, in both cases by law(according to the union), to hold both. Now, I'm not asking if it's legal, I'm asking if that's fair? Is it good when it drives these companies closer to shutting down(it was a small chip factory in Irvine)? But that's right. It's simple. It's binary. Good is easy to see in this situation and it can only flow from one direction. I am not of The Brotherhood. I don't carry the reflexive need to protect It at all times. I can see how both sides are wronged or potentially wronged here. I see at as no slight on my honor to admitt that there is a wrong being done to the employer(for good purpose this wrong is being done.). If that bothers you then I'm sorry, but not appologizing for exploring it. It's simply the problem of letting an academic come to the party. Please don't call me names and impugn my honor for being intellectually curious and open minded. Particularly when I don't deserve it(i.e. I'll fark up around here sometime and you'll be totally correct in kicking my head in; but this isn't such a time).
 
...even the headquarters of political parties...
Sounds like there isn't much left about getting oneself in the right part of heaven, just good old pushing the civil unrest further.
 
I think my comment got eaten by the Moat Monster. Ry, I don't think Sanger is saying anything more than it doesn't really matter if you like it or not, it's the LAW. Period. Reservists and Guardsmen who get called up for active duty cannot be fired from their civilian job. Their position must be held for them, pending their return. As for your union example, I don't know. It sounds weird to me, like the union steward is forcing the hand of the employer.
 
I just came back from Sgt. Ian Anderson's funeral about an hour ago. I will have an AAR for posting shortly. there was a lot of people, a lot of flags and many, many people were reminded by the mile long procession of hearse, limos, bikes and cars with flags everywhere, that there is a war on and men sacrifice. I have to say, I'm proud, not just of the people who came to stand "guard" against the rude whelps, but that everywhere we drove, even without police escorts for the longest part of the drive, people actually stopped on the side of the road and waited until every car had passed. There is still honor and decency.
 
Lessee, do a little work and things go south here. Sanger, Ry - play nice. Ry, the way to duel this issue with Sanger is to perhaps bring up the issue of the draft (which he abhors) and juxtapose that to what you see as the property taking aspect of holding a job for the deployed RC warrior. The discussion need not hinge on life and limb, many draftees just did two years and went home, with no real exposure to the hazards of combat. Keep it in that realm and remember to attack the point, not the pointy-headed person making the point. Oops. Broke my own rule - except I wasn't talking about you guys. Alan - like it or not, things may be at the stage where going ugly is needful. One wonders - if the Weimar Republic had been able to deal with the private army of the Nazi Party, how things in Europe might have been different last century? Democracy as we understand it exists in the political spectrum, kind of like perhaps the Earth does in the "Zone of Life" around the sun - in a fairly narrow band. And when the political situation gets too far out of whack one way or another, perhaps it might take an otherwise unacceptable healthy whack on the head - or, "chemo" to reduce the unhealthy cells, so to speak? I know it's a marshy surface from which to argue - but shall we?
 
What I meant was it is a long time since Iraq was about the "72 virgins" - this is just a triggered sectarian political war, like the former Yugoslavia but way better funded.
 
Ry, I could be nicer about this, but I'm not in the mood to be. If you don't like the answer that follows, oh well. And I don't care if you "go off or not," though there's no reason to that I can see. 1) I wasn't talking about you, or even thinking about you. You are the person who got me thinking about the subject, you aren't the one who did the deed. If you want to take it personally, not my problem. You have always seemed to be a fair, and fair-minded person, if a tad bit insecure (which I can appreciate). just relax, alright. As John has told me a few times, you'll know when I mean you. And you should know by now I don't try to find subtle ways to insult people. That's just no fun. 2) Unless you have ever fired a person who was expecting to come back to a job after going off to serve (see, John, not to war), then what I wrote does not apply to you. If you have, then you are the kind of person I was talking about, though I didn't know it at the time. I suspect you're not. 3) Your notions of the law are great for debates, but if I've learned nothing this year, it's that some things are just not worth debating. More important, for some topics, even discussing alternative viewpoints in a rational way may be cool for coffeehouse chat, but sometimes that stuff causes whole nations to waste time, treasure, and lives, or it simply ruins individual lives. I am not really talking about moral relativism here, I am talking about people just shutting their mouths, doing the right thing, and then discussing it later instead of trying to figure a way out of it or around it in the first place. And No, I am NOT talking about you here. For example, there should have been no debate about whether to hang Hussein. No debate about whether to go after the Al Qaeda, no debate about whether or not it's ok for a mother to kill her unborn children. Oh yeah, that last one is debatable, and reasonable people have somehow been convinced that the death penalty is inhumane and wrong, but abortion is not. See, _that's_ what happens when people are willing to concede that every argument has merit, that every disagreement has value or must be considered. That's the problem with multiculturalism, people insist that everyone has the right to exist, even if some of those people don't agree that you do, and are willing to kill you to get what they want. ... This is too big to do here, and I don't want to conflate too many issues, but I want to make the point that sometimes, there is no debate worth having. Not every belief has two equally valid sides . Some issues are not binary, they are unitary--for all intents and purposes, there _is_ only one side. 4) Listen, if Americans insist on one inalienable "right" above all else, it's the right to break the law. I know that, you know that, we all know it. It doesn't mean we all plan to or will, or even want; we just want the options if we need it; which is one reason people are adamantly opposed to a national ID card, personal GPS markers, etc. We don't trust the government and we don't want to give it an edge if we don't have to. But this is not THAT kind of issue. It is not about rights or freedom or government intervention or any of that. It's about a business being made to think more about a person than about the bottom line--and not every person, just the ones who are willing to sacrifice life and limb to work for the government that protects and enables that businessman in the first place. 5) This has jack to do with any damn brotherhood (that was kind of silly actually), and everything to do with the fact that sometimes you just gotta suck it up and do your duty, in this case taking care of a person who is giving up a lot on your behalf. I equate this to paying taxes. Do you hate paying taxes? Does it infuriate you to give away your pay to the government. It doesn't bother me a bit and I have zero sympathy for people who don't like it. Why? Well, for about 10 of the past 19 years, I drove on interstates and US highways every day to get back and forth to work. For about half of that I drove more than 30 miles each way, every day.. The taxes I paid each year that I did that would not have paid for 20 feet of that highway, if that, let alone 30 miles. To my way of thinking, I more than got my money's worth. What else? Well, there's an army fighting a war for me. My annual taxes wouldn’t pay for one second of that war, probably not even a tenth of a second. But it would pay for a missile part, maybe half a thermal seeker. Or maybe there is one soldier out there who is fully equipped because of me (though I probably couldn't get him or her all the really good stuff). Or if war ain't your thing, then how about the space program whose technology spinoffs alone have benefited Americans in so many ways they cannot be counted. All the taxes I've ever paid wouldn't pay for what I've got out of that program, even if I only counted the awe and wonder of the pictures sent back by the Hubble or the Mars landers...or for the thrill I got when I met and got to spend a few hours with Fred Haise. or how I felt when Armstrong stepped on to the moon. So what's my point? Only that I have reached the point in my life and the current political and social environment where my tolerance for BS has evaporated. What that gal's boss did was reprehensible and inexcusable, AND illegal to boot. And THAT makes it not worth the debate to me especially since I know good and well the Hospital could get another person, and could write off the expense of doing it. 6) I don't know about that union deal. Sounds like crap to me, and that the union doesn’t have leg to stand on. Depends on how the company went about hiring the replacement. Especially for a two weeker. That doesn't even sound right. And it does not at all sound legal for the union to do that either. As for fair, that doesn't matter either. The law is clear about the reserve/national guard issue. It is less so about union demands. I'd say there's money to be made by some lawyer in this, and fair has nothing to do with it. Details matter here. 7) I used to have more sympathy for small business owners until I ran one for a couple years in a small Indiana town. I don't any more. None. I have less sympathy for large business owners. Been there too. And none for Universities, hospitals, or any other for profit-organization. Why? Because everyone is in it to make money, and the system is weighted to help them do just that. There are catches and loopholes in almost everything, and even though there is a great deal of government intervention in business, I'd say it's most likely all deserved. I have worked for people or know people who tried every possible way to squeeze an extra penny out of employees, the government, customers and even their partners. And I am not talking about cheating or stealing here, just regular day to day business. Anyone who isn't in it for success shouldn't bother. I was even a victim of extortion by the local Chamber of Commerce, which we paid dues to. The chamber wanted free internet access. I wanted them to pay (they charged me for CoC services, after all). They took their business to a competitor who gave it to them for free and then they advertised on the CoC website the competitor's services. You know what makes this better, the competitor was not a member of the CoC. And this was the friendly group of folks. See, EVERYONE wants their vigorish, and there are no purely altruistic+wildly successful business people. 8) And as for the draft, to give John a nod here, to me that's simple too: I wouldn't give the Government my gun, my home, my freedom, or my money without a fight, especially if everyone else wasn't doing the same. Why then, would I be willing to let it take my son? Is my child less valuable then my property? Or a gun? The problem is that not one of the founders ever likely thought it would come to the Government taking Americans' children from them against their will. I suspect if conscription had ever been seen as a possibility--if the taking of freedom from some men would be done against their will at the behest of other men--a prohibition against conscription would have been the third amendment. In fact, that is a goal I intend to pursue when I am done with my current time-consumer. I believe no American should ever again have to worry about being enslaved by the Government against his or her will and sent off to kill or be killed. If the government can't convince free people that a cause is worth fighting for, then maybe it isn't. And if is, then maybe the people need a new government... [or the government needs new people] And that's it for tonight.
 
I got tired of your BS above when you in your role of surrogate Founding Father decided there was no validity in discussing abortion, illegal to have more than one culture per country and any other protected matters under your constitution. It doesn't take much to crap on the basis for the nation's existence, the thing that is worth protecting and fighting for. It'll take quite a while for you to understand the massive holes in what you just wrote. Do your duty and learn what a complex wonderful country you have inherited.
 
I have to agree with Sanger on this. Mostly because I've been on the losing end of the job versus military stick before. In other news: Hey Sanger, can I quote you on that above rant? :) I think you just wrapped up everything I've wanted to put in to a post for the last 2 months in 30 seconds.....
 
I find that hilarious coming from YOU, Alan. And just about as articulate and thoughtful as all the deep, mature, and important stuff you always post on your site. You know, if I make you mad, I win. Thanks for that.
 
Bloodspite, you can quote whatever you want, just please keep it in context. And thanks.
 
Sigh. Yellow cards all 'round! Everybody! Even you people who are just reading!~ Cross look. Geez, go to nice dinner honoring your local volunteers, come back to bickerage! 8^) Actually, you all are doing pretty well. Beer's on Alan, however, because he failed to show up for the health-care post. And yes, on the civil war bit, you're quite likely correct. Unintended consequences all 'round. It's disturbing when I find myself reading Chalmers Johnson and agreeing with anything he's saying, much less maybe as much as half - without accepting his prognosis on where it will all lead.
 
XOXO Sanger. Nothing speaks of respect so much as one fella telling another to "f*ck right off!!!" And yes, John, I have been absent but I have been doing another duty as a newly renewed foster Dad with another two wee babies in the house eating into my ability to be wrong all the time on your blog. Lord I'm sleepy, Alan
 
Alan, thanks again. And BTW, I have to admit I'm really impressed at how much progress you've made in your ESL classes. It shouldn't be long before you're ready to try taking a bus or buying a meal on your own. You're still having some trouble with verbs and prepositional phrases, it seems, but hey, if your meaning mostly gets through, that's almost as good as being fluent isn't it? P.S. I'm pretty sure you _completely_ misunderstood what I wrote and my intent, though I could be wrong. You might want to read it in context with all the stuff that came before, and take off the lefty-biased glasses for a few. You might actually see some stuff there you'd agree with. But then, it is you, so maybe not. Maybe some sleep would help.
 
I'll take off the northern leftie communalist glasses right along you taking off the southern rightie libertarian ones. Just put them on the table and walk away slowly. Keep your hands in view...
 
Boys. This thread is over, I see, having come down to Sanger and Alan taunting each other. Al - we send Ry over to keep you on your toes... I see that Sanger has had his nose to the grindstone for so long and being good in public that he's been longing for some chest-bumping dialogue in the comments, and Alan has been into the maple syrup! Don't get any more kinetic or I'll red card the thread.
 
At least, it wasn't me, this time.
 
Me either. For once, I am truly innocent. A miracle in and of itself. (but for the record, Alan you were unnecessarily nasty, and I agree with Sanger) *jumps back up on chandelier for a nice swing*
 
Sanger, what you might want to think about is that one of the consequences of that law is that no one will hire Guard / Reserve in the first place. The situation is exactly analogous to what's been happening with ADA: if no one with disabilities gets hired, then it's much harder to get sued.
 
All this is not quite science fiction any more, mainly because it will take another decade or so before you have a hand held laser. Bets?
 
Bill - are you playing the house, or are you taking a side on this bet?
 
SDN: Sounds good. Got stats on either of those claims? Not anecdotal stuff, but documented proof of pervasive illegal activity across the country by innumerable employers? See, I appreciate that it sounds reasonable, but considering it's illegal to ask certain questions during job interviews, I'd like to see how that plays out. And who would want to chance what comes with that? Also, if any service member were to suspect he or she'd been not-hired because of service, I imagine it wouldn't take long before the employer got a visit from Gov't folks. BTW, I spent a fair amount of time as an ADA guru of sorts (in several organizations)--was assigned to help my then employer comply with the law right after it was passed. ADA requires only "reasonable accommodation," which after all these years, anyone who knows the law knows it doesn't mean every possible accomodation. For example, the whole thing applies only to firms with more than 50 people IIRR. Also, no one is required to build an elevator or remodel offices. They are required to find reasonable ways to allow disabled employees to work. So as in one landmark case (IIRR), the post office had to lower the bins at one of its sorting stations to accomodate a mail sorter who could not reach all the upper bins. And sure, there are lots of disgruntled, disaffected dirtbag human resources people out there, but I've never met them. Every HR manager I've ever known worked to comply with the law--even if only to the minimum. And most believed in doing things the right way. Made good business sense.
 
SDN: I was wrong about the small business numbers. It is actually this: "The title I employment provisions apply to private employers, State and local governments, employment agencies, and labor unions. Employers with 25 or more employees were covered as of July 26, 1992. Employers with 15 or more employees were covered two years later, beginning July 26, 1994." As for the ADA, well, anyone who can read will see it's a reasonable act... http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/ada/q%26aeng02.htm And this FAQ is pretty good too. www.usdoj.gov/crt/ada/pubs/mythfct.txt V/R
 
"Al - we send Ry over to keep you on your toes..." Nope. I don't go over there. I read once in a while, but I don't talk over there anymore. No point. There's a cancer over there I cannot abide, and a deep seated hatred that is often feed like Audrey2. And there's little sports now. I'll wait until baseball season, or for a SuperBowl commercial thread. Sanger, no problem. But just remember: I'm not 50. To me these things *are* new. The novelty for you is gone. They HAVE to be explored by me. And it isn't just for coffee house chat. Did you have the set of morals you have now at birth, or did you kinda stumble into them? I may have pointy elbows but I'm stumbling like you did because I wasn't born with a perfect sense of what the world was all about and what the proper stances on moral questions are. We'll both survive it I think, well, at least without you doing more than telling me you're tired and bored of it. I can live with that if you can.
 
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