We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2007 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:05:53 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2008 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That's only polite. [Hey - trackbacks work again!] You're advertising here, we should get an ad at your place... ****************************** Apparently the libertarians on the other side of The Pond don’t like what’s going on in Somalia so much, and blame the US for it. The National Defense University’s professional reading list web page. So many good books and too little money (looks at lint pulled out of pocket). Sic... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:26:00 -0600 Gezackly. We has to protect our stuff. I just detest the idea that I am not 'allowed' to have a choice. Your agency in some areas is what others determine to enforce. With all the caterwauling about the environment, one would think, but according to Big Brother, the locals tell us we can't...I am so confused. Plus you can get a write off on taxes 'cause it is a semi wetland... Ya big softy. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55102 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55102 Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:54:25 -0600 Cricket - One of the largest townships in NJ is making a serious effort to go eco-friendly. The county has major heartburn with its planned solar grid, the state won't let it build a wind farm and the NJDEP is in an uproar because one of the local farmers is "encroaching on a wetland" by putting up a photography blind next to a large pond that *he dug* to give feathered migrants a place to chill on their trip South. There's a local outfit that makes solar roofing tiles -- but they're only allowed to sell 'em overseas. And I've got my back yard registered as a semi-natural wildlife sanctuary (semi-natural means I feed everybody in the winter) to protect it from seizure under Eminent Domain. Just in case... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55086 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55086 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:36:46 -0600 Fuzzy, faith in Gaius' kid, and those like him, I have a plenty. Some of my countrymen I have little faith in when it comes to Iraq and the Long War. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55082 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55082 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:24:22 -0600 "I wonder if the jump to Barbra Boxer being personally responsible if someone dies because of a sub attack is well, unnecessarily inflammatory." Uh, did you miss the sarcasm warning? Rather blatantly pointed out with '(sarcasm off)'? I'm totally lampooning her. That's not inflammatory. That's being Alfred E. Newman---who I happen to resemble at times, ask the Chief. Let's be reasonable here. Is there ecological damage to marine life occuring, from whatever causes? Sure. No doubt. Is it reacing a point where Japan may have to rethink being dedicated culinarily to seafood? Absolutely. But we don't eat dolphins and whales---which the CCC et al have repeatedly said is the major sufferer. Aside: I'm from California originally, near Long BEach and Seal Beach, Seal Beach NWS was in my backyard. This saga is actually nearly a decade old. And is old news to me. That there actually was a legal conclusion to this was news to me. I may even KNOW some of these vet fishermen. I proll'y drove some of them home from the same dives my flesh and blood older brother frequented. 14 exercises over a span of two years is unlikely, really unlikely, to cause a major disruption of the economic life of fisherman, unlike commercial fishing and int'l trade(with all of the pollution trade creates), given the primacy the CCC has placed on whales. Let's weigh the effect of over fishing on this too, shall we? What effect has over fishing had on hurting the LB fishing community? Proll'y a whole lot more than a frigate traling its "tail" during an exercise. Populism only gets you so far. It is not a trump card. You may have a different rhubric, but yours doesn't simply supercede mine becuase it has a different element of populism in it. We can argue whose rhubric should take the lead, but don't assume yours is The One. True, Naval personel are more likely to die in car wrecks on any given day. But that isn't 'cases' is it? That's not facing nautical mines and submarines, their job when it comes down to cases, now is it? The skill sets for conducting warfare, particularly ASW seeing how hard it is to do, are something you need at time zero and not six months into the conflict. Well, not if you want to keep casualties low that is---which is one of my major goals, dontcha know. The Navy needs to practice this skill set IF it is ever to be used before the Navy is deployed. Otherwise you're sending, knowingly, people to their death. That's a rather uncontestable fact(care to peruse the area/entry to battlespace doctrine of some nations with me? I know of two that are of high importance right about now---thanks Chief, I never did thank you properly for the advice.). This is a necessary skill set that cannot simply be gotten in simulators. Simulators can limit the amount of time the ASW school and the Navy at large needs to send people to sea to test the gear but does not eliminate it. Zero impact is impossible. Give me a plan that is not zero impact and I'll listen--but nobody, and I've been following this for almost its entire length, has proposed a non-zero impact plan. Which is why I call the opponents zealots. That's how they act. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55080 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55080 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:07:21 -0600 I have to agree with that one Bill...except this: If someone who recycles cause they don't have a dime is neat and clean, no big deal. But when they live in a trailer park in a doublewide cobbled together of two different trailer models, years and heights, it is scary. Not to mention the tar paper 'Florida rooms' tacked on to the back. A coat of paint does wonders for such things. No, I don't like watermelon environmentalists, but at least Begley is practicing what he is preaching. I prefer to have a choice. The government which cries crocodile tears over the environment refuses to let people build what they want to be off the grid. When income of business interests is threatened by those of us who would prefer rugged individualism, it gets ugly. We have septic and were nearly denied being grandfathered because of business interests. We want a constructed wetland. Very few people can actually get the approval needed for 'green' homes or off the grid infrastructure. In this instance Begley Jr. could very well put his considerable clout to effect changes in laws and zoning to let people have a choice. Obviously he did for his house. And maybe this will do it. I am not an environmentalist; I just prefer to be off the grid. Selfish selfish me. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55069 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55069 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:10:13 -0600 Well...she can always leave the lout. Or smack him one with her curling iron. If she really was oppressed, she can go on Oprah and have a public handholding session with other American women who have bullies like him for husbands. If she didn't like it or the money she wouldn't put up with it. My husband bugs me about stuff all the time. I claim to not be an expert, but marriage is what you both agree to make it and adjustments are common when both parties work at it. I don't see him calling her names, slapping her around, belittling her achievements or anything abusive. He times her shower? He grouses about the curling iron? They cook on a solar stove? Oh the humanity. There is the admission in the article that they play up the nitpicking. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55066 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55066 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:51:53 -0600 Just a poser to ponder: When Eddie Junior (who's rich enough to indulge his ecopassion) does his thing, he's held as a shining example of a caring (albeit eccentric) environmentalist. When Eddie-Bob Jay-Are (who re-uses everything because he can't afford to buy anything new) does his thing, he's ridiculed as the perfect example of a redneck. Heh. Little-Brother-the-Fed was down visiting and we passed the local get-your-car-parts-here guy's house. Quothe LBtF: "What's he doing -- practicing to be an Alaskan?" http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55064 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55064 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:02:48 -0600 It sounds like the Navy is quite willing to work on this issue. "After consulting with biologists from the National Marine Fisheries Service, the Navy agreed to implement 29 procedures it considers appropriate for protecting marine mammals during sonar maneuvers." And as this is clearly an international economic (marine fisheries), I wonder if the jump to Barbra Boxer being personally responsible if someone dies because of a sub attack is well, unnecessarily inflammatory. I mean, without trying to be inflammatory myself, A Navy sailor is far more likely to die in a car accident on base than a sub attack. Meanwhile, do you have any idea how devastated our Marine Fisheries have become for entirely solvable problems? Not just American fishing families, but whole American towns are suffering. Perhaps we can find a fisherman/Navy vet to weigh in on this issue. Very many independent fisherman served in the Navy. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55063 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55063 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:24:43 -0600 Cricket and BillT, I am very impressed that Begley practices what he preaches. I was just thinking about his attitude toward his wife, the way he treats her. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55062 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55062 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:11:12 -0600 FbL - Ed Begley Jr.'s a chip off the old block. Ed Senior was five yards left of Lenin and bragged about it. Ry - The Joisey Legislature (mostly Liberal Dems, whatta surprise...) tried to slip the bill through quietly, buried beneath a bunch of legislation authorizing local schools to observe --now get this -- *Muslim* holidays, if they so desire and the number of registered students (any number in excess of zero) so warrants. The various 'Murrican Legion, VFW and Marine Corps League chapters are steamed. My Viet Vet group has collected a whole bunch of IOUs from various civic groups over the years and we may decide it's time to collect... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55061 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55061 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:46:05 -0600 Ed Begley at least practices what he preaches. How many celebrities pay lip service and huge amounts of money to 'worthy' causes but still have their huge houses and waste resources because they are arrogant enough to insist on it for the peasants but won't live that way themselves? He and the late Dennis Weaver, for all their moonbat politics at least put their money where their mouths were and lived as they believed. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55060 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55060 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:36:30 -0600 Maybe if one of Sen Boxer's kids were re-located to one of the ships they would be able to train?? Just a thought.... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55059 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_15_jan.html#comment-55059 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 03:55:43 -0600