We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2007 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:05:57 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2008 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That's only polite. [Hey - trackbacks work again!] You're advertising here, we should get an ad at your place... ****************************** "Madam Secretary, please," Boxer said. "I know you feel terrible about it. That's not the point. I was making the case as to who pays the price for your decisions." You might want to be careful with that rhetorical blade there, Senator. It cuts both ways, seeing that 'keeping Saddam... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:40:33 -0600 And the 'right wing media'? Um, dude, the SF Gate can hardly be called 'right wing' can it? Simply put, Boxer should be careful what rhetoric she uses. She's placed herself, by herself, in a bad spot by trading off the suffering of others for personal gain. That may come back to haunt her. Say, a massive Free Tibet counter-protest at her next political rally. Or, say, someone from Darfur showing up on 60 Minutes demanding to know why Sen Boxer thinks one American life is worth more than 10K Sudanese? You don't play with people's suffering like this. It leaves you in a bad spot. It's cheap, cruel, and inherently the politics of melodrama and personal destruction. Dirty pool. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55057 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55057 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:35:59 -0600 In my defence, I took that from the SF Gate, and, though and there's a link to that story---click on the words. BUt my larger point seems lost on you, Cliff. Deciding not to go costs lives. Deciding to go costs lives. LEaving Vietnam cost between half and 2 million civilians their lives---lives which would've been lost even if we didn't go in the first place(look at the purgues of Hue). Not invading DPRK has cost that nation an unknowable number. Going to Bosnia cost people their lives, and going late cost lives too. Who pays for your decisions? For someone who is so into the suffering of others this FACT seems rather lost on Sen. Boxer, and you. So who pays for your decisions, Cliff? It likely isn't you. Of course, if you got off the angry pills youd've seen that where I wrote this: "seeing that 'keeping Saddam Hussein contained' had an annual toll of 50k and going to places like the Sudan is likely to cost lives resulting in heartache and pain in the families of the military community". But apparently, defending grandstanders who love to use someone else's pain for their dometic politics trumps, desu neh? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55056 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55056 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:31:04 -0600 Gee, thanks Cliff! But not to worry, my mom paid the cable bill and I have CSpan here in the basement. Regardless of what you feel about the war, how are Senator Boxer's statements relevent? Do you imagine for one moment she would say the same to SecDef Gates? Her statements were out of line, period. It was all for show. Personal lives are just that....personal lives. But, whatever, that hearing was a joke anyway with Hagel shouting over Dr. Rice. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55053 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55053 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:54:10 -0600 C'mon, Nephi, surely you can muster something more substantive than that? If you're going to be rude and break my rules (no gratuitous insults) at least endeavor to spell them correctly. That would be "buffoon". I'm not sure what the equivalent of "chimpus" is, so we'll let that stand untouched. I think the President no more mad than Boxer and Pelosi. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55046 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55046 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:15:17 -0600 Thank God for heros like Boxer and Pelosi. Is anyone watching the chimpus bafoon on 60 minutes right now? Boxer and Pelosi = reasoned oversight of a president going mad in mind. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55045 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55045 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:06:42 -0600 everywhere! ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55044 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55044 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:05:20 -0600 I see the family of blogs to which you belong (I found you on ASP) have been, true to character, making hay over Barbara Boxer's comment. I saw the actual exchange the first time and again another time (C-Span is great reality TV), and I must say, Boxer's did not suggest Rice is not "qualified" but rather compared Boxer's own small price with Rice's. It was the right wing media which distorted the comment which in actuality, stressed the fact that only Military families are paying the price. I would think that an honest person would see her comments as sympathetic to the troops. For your convenience, here's what Boxer actually said: “The issue is who pays the price? I’m not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old and my grandchild is too young. You’re not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with an immediate family. So who pays the price? The American military and their families.” Nice blog by the way. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55043 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55043 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:46:50 -0600 Fixed. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55042 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55042 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:47:15 -0600 Hey FbL, your link to acute politics has an html=scrambling extra "l" after the dot.com domain, thus ".coml" Thought you'd like to know. Go Bolts. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55041 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55041 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:57:56 -0600 Actually, the comment is going into moderation. It showed up as fast as it did because I happened to be puttering around in the back and approved the comment. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55028 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55028 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:36:47 -0600 Re: upgrade When I enter a comment it takes the usual long time to process, but when the box finally "redraws" itself, the comment is not visible (even with a refresh). However, a number of minutes later it shows up. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55027 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/01/hi_fires_14_jan_1.html#comment-55027 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:21:00 -0600