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Contractors in Iraq, part deux.

Remember this discussion with Cliff from OneUtah? The contractor discussion?

There's an OpEd in today's LA Times that decries the situation, and pretty much, I'm guessing, from a perspective that would match Cliff's. [As always, you should read the whole thing, and not just the quotes I've chosen. You view might differ from mine if you have the whole context]

From Iraq and Afghanistan to the hurricane-ravaged streets of New Orleans to meetings with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger about responding to disasters in California, Blackwater now envisions itself as the FedEx of defense and homeland security operations. Such power in the hands of one company, run by a neo-crusader bankroller of the president, embodies the "military-industrial complex" President Eisenhower warned against in 1961.

Further privatizing the country's war machine — or inventing new back doors for military expansion with fancy names like the Civilian Reserve Corps — will represent a devastating blow to the future of American democracy.

As I mentioned in my piece on the subject, I've got a friend who currently works for Blackwater - in Iraq - doing *exactly* what the recently killed Blackwater employees were doing, providing diplomatic security.

This bit here gets to the heart, I think, of what Cliff was after:

Already, private contractors constitute the second-largest "force" in Iraq. At last count, there were about 100,000 contractors in Iraq, of which 48,000 work as private soldiers, according to a Government Accountability Office report. These soldiers have operated with almost no oversight or effective legal constraints and are an undeclared expansion of the scope of the occupation. Many of these contractors make up to $1,000 a day, far more than active-duty soldiers. What's more, these forces are politically expedient, as contractor deaths go uncounted in the official toll.

The president's proposed Civilian Reserve Corps was not his idea alone. A privatized version of it was floated two years ago by Erik Prince, the secretive, mega-millionaire, conservative owner of Blackwater USA and a man who for years has served as the Pied Piper of a campaign to repackage mercenaries as legitimate forces. In early 2005, Prince — a major bankroller of the president and his allies — pitched the idea at a military conference of a "contractor brigade" to supplement the official military. "There's consternation in the [Pentagon] about increasing the permanent size of the Army," Prince declared. Officials "want to add 30,000 people, and they talked about costs of anywhere from $3.6 billion to $4 billion to do that. Well, by my math, that comes out to about $135,000 per soldier." He added: "We could do it certainly cheaper."

There is some truth here. We need to do a much better job of formulating policy and governance for contractors - especially armed ones - in the employ of the United States. And they need to have better oversight. Good criticisms all.

However, I think the author of this piece, Jeremy Scahill (who has just published a book on Blackwater) is reaching a bit when conflating the Civilian Reserve Corps into his aversion for Blackwater.

The CRC as proposed by the President would not be contractors to my understanding. They would be more akin to the already-extant FEMA reserve system, where people make themselves available on-demand to FEMA to provide a ramp-up for major disasters, without requiring a large scale increase in full-time personnel who would otherwise be under-employed but still consuming tax dollars. The State Department and the Agency for International Development actually have a similar problem when confronted with a major expansion requirement such as levied by Iraq and Afghanistan, but which will not translate into a career-length Full Time Equivalent employee. But they would be a federal employee when called to serve.

I would think the progressive side of the aisle would be supportive of this - as it would actually reduce the reliance on contractors like me who otherwise often end up providing these services, in addition to the paramilitary services provided by firms like Blackwater. Additionally, they would be composed of subject matter experts as well as retired government employees, leveraging a greater experience base while at the same time lowering costs.

There wasn't anything in the CRC proposal as I read it that would incorporate the paramilitary functions. One of the complaints about the response to Katrina and similar disasters is that there is an insufficiency of government personnel available for the response required - and the progressive side of the aisle gets grumpy when contractors fill in - I would think this is exactly what someone like Mr. Scahill would prefer to the current system - unless the point is to inflate the federal bureaucracy with scads of under-employed people?

To recap: I agree, and have said so before, that the oversight of contracting in Iraq has been poorly handled, from concept through execution.

The CRC represents a way to reduce the reliance on contractors overall (though I don't believe it envisions the paramilitary aspect of it) and creates a cadre of part-time experts available for both national and international needs.

Rather than reject it out of hand, I suggest they involve themselves in the study and shaping of the construct.

A similar thing is happening at the state level. Kansas is setting up Incident Management Teams, which are comprised of people *not* already involved in emergency preparedness and response jobs, to provide a cadre of people available locally to augment local EOCs when they are overwhelmed by an emergency. They are volunteer positions, with the volunteer having to provide proof that his employer is supportive, and will in fact support by allowing the employee sufficient time to train, and help fund that if needed.

Yes, I am applying. I've been a federal emergency response planner, and I have skills and experience to offer here. And my employer is being supportive of my effort. But Mr. Scahill would rather I not, I guess. Or, more likely, Mr. Scahill's antipathy to Blackwater is clouding his judgement on the Civilian Reserve Corps idea.

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I have a friend who was in the Marine's for 10 years, got out due to a variety of reasons, but wanted back in the fight. He joined Blackwater and just got back from a 6 month tour doing security. He was injured once when he convoy was attacked and his vehicle hit an IED. He made more in those 6 months than he did for the past several years combined. Due to waining public support of the war, and a general distaste for his own blood, he's decided not to continue employment with Blackwater now that he's back in the States. It's scary how much they pay these men to do the same job our Marines and Soldiers are doing. It's no wonder our boys are so tempted to leave the service and join Blackwater and similar outfits.
 
The Coast Guard has had a corps of volunteers since before WWII. The Coast Guard Auxiliary is likely the most cost effective organization in the government. Prohibited from performing military or law enforcement functions, we do boating safety, public education, pollution discovery, search and rescue, disaster recovery, and a whole lot more. Our only paycheck is the occasional "attaboy" and the smile on a boaters face when we come alongside when he is adrift 20 miles from land. We are not confined to the coastal regions either. We have inland flotillas throughout the country. If you like boating, and are a "sheepdog" by nature; you might consider joining us as an already established organization, rather than this new CRC. It's great to be back in uniform. :-) If you are interested, here is a link: http://nws.cgaux.org/visitors/ps_visitor/index.html
 
John, While I appreciate the you decision to associate with my previous comments on private contractors and private SECURITY forces, I would ask you and you readers to look inward, and investigate your knee jerk defense reaction initially. No look beyond the fundamental wrongness of paying non-military to "do military" and think about the corporate forces at work behind the scenes. This is the plantation mentality, and we regular folks are being shoved further down and out. Imagine what we could have done with the billions being WASTED on war profiteers - for our vets - scholarships, health care, HELP THE FAMILIES, RAISE THEIR PAY. Can you think of one job the MIL-contractors can do better that the military? I am not your enemy. I am for the troops and against the rich white idiots screwing this country hard.
 
Cliff says "I am not your enemy". Where's that BS flag? I've checked behind the bar, did the Scruples store it somewhere? Because I want to throw it on that one. Have you read his latest screed? On the Civilian Reserve Corps.....gee, I wish I had a critical skill.
 
"gee, I wish I had a critical skill." You do, Maggie.... but it's not a government approved recreational activity, no matter how much you argue that pole-dancing is theraputic.
 
Um, Cliff - remember, I *am* one of those war-profiteers, the government has chosen not to recall me despite my volunteering for such, they prefer to pay to get my skills and talents this way, without raising my retired pay... The CRC would be another such venue for getting back those skills. At the same time, I currently sit idle, unbillable, because the government is currently exercising the other side of the contracting coin - they had government civilians in jobs based on reimbursable work, and when that funding got pulled to pay for current bills (i.e., the surge) the chose to direct the money that *was* paying for me to pay for them. It's just not as simple as you want to make it.
 
Cliff: i can think of one job that contractors can do better than the military, right off the top of my head. it's called "Executive Protection". it's a corporate function. like "Corporate Aviation", this is a service that corporations sometimes bring inside for efficiency, flexibility, and any other number of perfectly valid corporate reasons. now tell me this Cliff: does the function of providing local security of an ambassador look more like a combination of "Executive Protection" and "Corporate Aviation", or more like "Moving Flank Guard of a Main Body"? ..because if it looks more like "Moving Flank Guard of a Main Body" to you, than you either don't understand military combat operations, or we've got a whole mess of re-training the entire mil force structure to do in order to accommodate that particular task.
 
Cliff: did i mention "operate a Dining Facility"? no doubt, Army Mess Daddies produce some of the finest chow i have ever had the pleasure of scarfing down. and Army cooks quite frequently compete (and win) in major international chef events. but if a bunch of civilian contractors can do it cheaper (in a garrison or Enduring Base environment), why in hell would i willingly trade the military headcount necessary to get one more soldier cooking instead of having that slot for a soldier patrolling? mmmm.... KBR had us a nice little DFAC (1st one north of the Iraqi border)... good chow... did i mention that head chef for the operation was a retired Army cook (SFC) who had cooked me up the finest cream chip beef to be had on either side of the East/West German border? yummy.
 
Last night I found myself at a meeting of the minds. I'm a Government Liason for my local Red Cross chapter. Our job during disasters is to coordinate Red Cross services with the local government (police, fire, politicians, Dept of Homeland Security, FBI, CIA- whoever is involved; it really doesn't matter). The meeting was held at the new emergency ops center for the county... and let me tell, it was impressive as HELL. I was blown away by the facility. I was equally blown away by the resume's of those around me. To my right was a city council member; to my left, a retired city safety planner and chemicals expert. Next to her, a lawyer/EMT/ex-Washington DC cop. As we moved around the table, people were saying things like "I own my own safety company"; "I'm a judge"; "I head the local air helicopter service"; "I used to be the Mayor of Cincinnati"; "I'm on the FAA's board of emergency management advisors". I was sat there thinking "How in the HECK did I fit in?!?!?!?" which was alternated with "WHOA. We've got a HUGE knowledge base here in these 10 people". The CRC is designed to take advantage of citizens like the ones I was with last night- people who have an incredible amount of public and national safety knowledge but are "ordinary" citizens and not members of the US military. Every person at that table last night could sit in on a major US disaster response team and make a huge difference- every last one of us. But since our committee is local, that knowledge base will stay within our borders, even though it could be useful all over the country. The CRC will do that. People pulled into the CRC will take their normal, everyday talents and put them to use all over the country in ways we've never had before. I am REALLY looking forward to this project coming together.
 
Yawn. This is about as principled and as long lasting as the thought expressed on the bumpersticker I saw this morning. "My car gets 35 mpg. Who's the patriot now?" Yawn. I'll come back and check in 8 years to see if you're still beating this same drum. Until then it's just the buzzing of flies. Some of us have been pushing for better treatment for years and resent loud upstarts who know even less than us getting in our grill all indignant like because we aren't moved by their current fashionable crusade. Appreciate the ardor, but stow the smug selfrighteousness. It isn't helping. Nice wedge issue by the way.
 
Ry. I'm a simple girl. WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY, AND WHO ARE YOU SAYING IT TO?
 
Cliff - Most of us "war-profiteers" are veterans. Maybe John will show you the dialogue we had some time back about how most of us old farts would rather have put our uniforms back on, but the DoD didn’t see it that way and chose to pay the big bucks for a more temporary arrangement mostly to people who already have a military pension. Of course, I’m thinking that before it became fashionable to shout “support our troops” slogans, you may have been one of those on the left who didn’t want to pay us, at all…
 
Yo MajMike, If you do a little research, I think you will find your statment that private contractors can do dining cheaper is not only dead wrong, its WAY DEAD WRONG. Do the research if you can, and get back to us. I also don't by the "Executive Protection" argument. I'm not even sure how its relevant. Are you suggesting tax payers should pay for "Executive Protection" in defense of our country? Whats the twisted logic there?
 
Just a reminder, folks - argue the points, not the personalities. Cliff - to make things easier - do you already have links to studies that show it's cheaper for the Army to do it's own food-service in-house? Ones that take into account end-strength limits and the impacts therein? The Army got out of large scale food service not so much because it wanted to, but because of end-strength restrictions (which are more budget-driven than they are strategy driven). By giving up cooks, they could get infantry and MP and Engineer spaces. I know about this in that respect, one of my addtional duties as a DIVARTY log weenie was Dining Facility Officer, as well as I commanded when we still *had* a signifcant company-level food service capacity and I lived through this conversion. You are on stronger ground (though State has been using contract security longer than I think you are aware) when you talk security contracting, but I'd really like to see your discussion of food service in the context of the above.
 
Cliff: your counter-points disposed of in sequence. DFAC: show me your numbers that will prove definitively that a contracted service that hires fully functional people who already have the requisite training and long term expertise isn't cheaper than the Army paying to find a new recruit, get him/her inducted, trained, promoted, and worked for 20 years to a level of expertise were they could run such an operation. Executive Protection: what, do you think every American Ambassador running around the world has a squad of Marines and a tracked vehicle dedicated solely to thier protection?? contracting out a simple service for close-in protection when/where/as needed, and having that "on-call", without incurring the salary / training / pension /housing expense of permanently maintaining the personnel to do it ourselves in the military is probably a close second to chow on the "much more affordable" scale of contracted operations. it's the same logic Lincoln used in hiring Pinkertons to do it rather than have a cavalry regiment follow him around. have you heard of the East India Company? i suppose you believe that was a stupid way to do things also. go back down the end of the bar and sit on your regular stool next to Norm and i'll have Carla bring ya another pint.
 
Yikes. I'm sensing a little less patience among the Denizens this go-around... But I'm enjoying the discussion for the education it's giving me and the old tidbits of knowledge it's stirring in my mind. Thanks!
 
John, It is my understanding that the figures to prove my point are unavailable and classified. I figure, if anyone can get them, you can. Why don't you do some digging around and let me know. Thanks CLiff btw: this congressional testimony raises a much more important issue.
 
btw: this congressional testimony raises a much more important issue. From Utube's description of the video: Dr. Wasfi described her experience in Iraq and discussed the life of Iraqis under occupation on April 27, 2006 in Washington, DC. I don't have time to listen to the whole thing, but that little blurb from the description makes me think there are more recent and relevant descirptions of life in Iraq TODAY than that video.
 
Actually, I just finished listening to about 80% of it. She trots out every leftist cliche on Iraq, most of which have been debunked (i.e. the white phosphorous story). Cliff, you're doing a bait-and-switch here, and your manner of putting forth your "points" or information is not giving you a lot of credibility.
 
Cliff - 1. Making points and then retreating behind "it's classified" is poor argumentation. If you know the information, then you are in possession of classified information. Since I assume you are not a "covered person" (i.e., you haven't signed a non-disclosure agreement) then you could conceiveably trot that information out into the open. Lord knows, the NYT does. Therefore, if you do *not* have access to that information, then you are arguing from hearsay. Not useful in this context. 2. I might have the requisite clearance for that information, but I certainly do not have any plausible 'need to know' - therefore I would most likely *not* be given access to that info. 3. If I *did* get access to that information... you would never know. Because it would be illegal for me to tell you - not only tell you what the info was (or try to ghost it in argument) but actually technically illegal for me to tell you that I have access to/know. 4. I like my clearance. It's very useful. I will not abuse it to score points on a blog. Which would violate my other rules - don't blog work, and don't blog who I work for, in any detail anyway. There is much that is not discussed on my blog because of that. Oh well. I'm not a disgruntled federal employee of the CIA or State Department, who apparently function under different rules regarding classified material than the paperwork I signed. So, whether what you say is true or not, essentially can't be verified in this forum. We'll have to choose a different aspect of the topic.
 
Cliff: nice red herring with that video. i, myself, frequently consult anesthesiologists who are on long term sabbatical who spent 3 months in the British zone around Basra when i'm looking for answers to questions regarding American practices over a three or four year period... i find them so much more informative than the personal experiences of people actually trained in the subject at hand who have spent a year on site. (John, thx for the moderation. perhaps my typing got ahead of my own thought process).
 
John, All fine and good except: 1. Why should that information be classified? 2. Where is the $8 billion missing since Bremer? (i.e. do you really think anyone even knows what the real costs are?)
 
Thats great MajMike, That makes a lot of sense. Any chance you are one of the people in this video?
 
Cliff - you keep changing the terms of the argument. From my perspective, where I sit in all of this - it's not my place to determine if the info should or should not be classified. If I had access to it, I could probably glean why it is (or share your bafflement) but, since I don't know why it's classified, I can't answer that question. And, I don't know where the $8 billion is. None of that specifically refutes anything I've said, any more than it supports it. It doesn't mean I'm not interested, it just means... I don't know. And neither do you. Some of your questions are better aimed at people who can find out, such as... oh, Congress. But flailing at me with it isn't useful discussion, it's just playing tag or stump the chump - neither of which is useful to advancing the issue.
 
John, You may call it changing the terms of the argument. I disagree. I have been very clear. This administration is screwing you and me and America for the benefit of the very rich. You will not get that from reading my words, but you (I hope, sooner than later) will wake up in the middle of the night and "get it." On the next morning, you will have clarity and we will not need to debate minutiae.
 
Cliff, as you wish. But simply continuing a process begun in the 1980's *is not* a personal conspiracy on the part of this administration. It is more simply... inertia. Occam's Razor. Just because you *want* it to be a venal and meticulously planned conspiracy doesn't make it one. Any more than Whitewater.
 
Yeah John, Cliff's looking out for you. When you finally pull your head out of your a$$ and see the light, it will all be clear. You will wake up and "you will not need to debate the minutiae". You know like in "Invasion of the Body Snatchers." Just go to sleep. Like Dana Wynter. Your pod's ready. Just go to sleep. Don't worry. I'd explain it to you, but it's classified. This is so typically left. You guys are here arguing real life experience and facts. It's just minutiae.
 
Cliff: that's a funny video. ha ha. Americans are such tools! no, sorry, my friend. i didn't happen to be in town the day they were filming that. i'm afraid that my having the knowledge base to correctly answer each of the questions posed by the interviewer would probably not make for very riveting entertainment. maybe if i jazzed up my answers a bit, and responded in a couple different foreign languages, maybe then they might put in on the telly. hmm.
 
THis has definitely taken on this 'it needs no argument' tone. Best to just leave it alone and go our seperate ways since we're now 'arguing religion' since Cliff can't find his facts(and nobody else is linking either).
 
Oh, and just to incur the wrath of Princess Crabby: I can't stand '24' either. Blech.
 
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